I'd like to sense a failure ahead of the crack, split whatever, so as to salvage the mast and simply add more glass around the outside. But that would be a fairly satisfactory level of strength if they - cause there are two of them - raise the hull.
Doug
Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
Easy enough to check if the masts are strong enough. Load them up by trying to lift the ww hull with a 100kg weight sitting on it. I was looking at the characteristics of quality bamboo section and it looks considerable better than glass weight for weight with 4GPa youngs modulus and a breaking strain of 30kg/mm 2. It may be worth considering for cheap masts. I am considering it myself for skinning cores in areas where exra stiffness is wanted without
the expense of carbon. Hope carbon becomes more easily available and cheaper as it is by far the best material. Robert -- In harryproa@..., "Robert" <cateran1949@y...> wrote: > > --- In harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Just meant swinging around on the water, like anchored in the sea > breeze comes in 20knots. > > > > I was wondering about general ideas about swinging around coming > from experienced multihullers out there. Like when you anchor a > bigger boat out further where the wind is. What about two anchors 30 > degrees apart? > > > > Mast is same as boat - kiri strip and glass. > > I've tapered the tops to half dimensions. There is a
round pole > up a metre and a half into the mast that slots in the hull. I hope it > is all not going to break. > > Obviously it is heavy but is cheaper. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > Myriam & Youri <wangka@s...> wrote: > > > > > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url > (#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url > (#default#ieooui) } Dear Doug, > > > > > >
Dear Wangkas, > > > > > > > > Nice pictures and all, but where is a finished sailing boat? > > We know it takes a long time, but sometimes we have > other worries on our minds … like carbon spars for classical yachts > where we have to sort out two boats, masts, booms, sprits, poles > etc, we have to make molds and plugs for rudders, keels and bulbs, … > for the carbon parts we are achieving and testing a construction > method VAPM (vacuum assisted pressure molding that gives us autoclave > quality laminates (not only on the voids ratio but also on the > compression side) in our pressure molds( compression +-5 Bars) which > can produce one piece parts, which is not possible by standard > autoclave
procedures. We are also currently testing a method for > direct CNC mold cutting for parts construction … > > > > Also, what do you hope to acheive with around beam? > > > > They are not only rounded in length but also elliptical in > section and will be constructed VAPM… less windage, better stress > distribution, less wave interference … > > > > Thanks again for your mast section, it is coming together. > > We are glad, how are you going to construct it ? … > > > > The boat really swings around at the moment without masts up > and I wonder if it can be helped? More a question for the cruising > boaters - do you plan doing cruising Elementarries? >
> What do you mean with swinging around ? I suspect we > will but that depends on the interest shown … for the moment we have > some asks for quotes from France, Switzerland and Germany … > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Myriam & Youri > > Wangka bvba > > Belgium > > > > e-mail. info@w... > > web. www.wangkaboats.eu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yaendenboom <wangka@s...> wrote: > > >
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Easy enough to check if the masts are strong enough. Load them up by trying to lift the ww hull with a 100kg weight sitting on it. I was looking at the...
Robert, I'd like to sense a failure ahead of the crack, split whatever, so as to salvage the mast and simply add more glass around the outside. But that would...
G'day, Not that easy as the pulling load has to be evenly distributed along the mast. Needs a lot of pulleys so that the single load can be dissipated to...
-I would have thought that with the safety factor needed for gusts and wave actions it wouldn't need quite that level of load spreading. The mast has to be...
G'day, You are right (and I am wrong) about 2 masts vs one. The stiffness and the strength are different, and it is the strength which needs to be enough to...
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If it is composite, you will hear a lot of creaking and cracking before it breaks. I would work on one of them doing the lifting as in a capsize you will...
Rob, Is composite glass/kiri? Doug Rob Denney <proa@...> wrote: If it is composite, you will hear a lot of creaking and cracking before it breaks. I...
G'day, Yes, but the stiffer it is, the more cracking there will be. My understanding of this is that the noise is the resin cracking as the carbon is so much...
Hi Rob, I dont see why the resin should crack because the carbon is stiffer. If the resin cracks it is because it is stressed beyond its maximum strength. The...
Peter, The point about matching strains is a good one, but I believe the carbon's modulus is magnitudes higher than that of the epoxy matrix, so we won't...
After much research, I agree with both Peter and Rob. In summary: epoxy cracking likely occurs in first tension on the leading edge, while structural failure...
-Thanks Mike, I didn't realise that carbon had greater stetch before breaking than glass. My thought on the creaking and cracking concur with yours that it is ...
g;dAY, hI, i KIND OF STARTED THIS TOPIC on masts, and was just wanting to say that tapering the end in at the top means using mirrored shapes of the moulds...
-I am pretty sure that tapering the mast makes it less likely to break as it takes some of the shock out of the system and reduces weight aloft. IMHO I think...
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It would be nice to know the cause, as it may have implications for fatigue or simply to put my mind at rest when I hear the boat creaking and cracking in a...
Mike, You give me more credit than I deserve, but I think it is beacause you misunderstood my point. I did not know that epoxy has different modulus in tension...
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