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Re: [harryproa] Re: Rare Bird Sailing

While enjoying the video I could not help but notice the way the mast bent and made the leech twist off. Seems like the boat would be significantly faster with a stiffer mast, but as it's a cruiser I suppose it's fast 'nough

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Aug 7, 2007
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While enjoying the video I could not help but notice the way the mast bent and made the leech twist off. Seems like the boat would be significantly faster with...
Rolf Nilsen
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Aug 7, 2007
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We will definitely be making the next rig stiffer. Blind Date's mast used an extra laminate of carbon and is much stiffer. It also has better sails so the main...
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Aug 7, 2007
12:17 pm

G'dday, The flexible mast is a great safety device, although we could have made this one a little stiffer. The top flexes in the gusts, so you are not...
Rob Denney
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Aug 7, 2007
12:34 pm

Hello Rob, Have you ever considered a square rig on a unstated rotating mast similar to the one on the "Maltese Falcom" ? It may need to be downsized just a...
George Kuck
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Aug 7, 2007
1:23 pm

G'day, I started to build a solid wing sail with the mast in the middle many years ago. Gave it up as a bad joke. The biggest problem is shunting. At some ...
Rob Denney
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Aug 7, 2007
1:54 pm

On the subject of leech twist and main setting generally, Rare Bird's boom only has a single line for downhaul and outhaul. This is a bit frustrating when...
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Aug 7, 2007
12:35 pm

Mast Bend A stay from mast head / top of jib to the windward hull may help, without unduly compromising the weather-cocking abilty of the rig. The mast would...
proajunk
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Aug 10, 2007
1:00 pm

Works a little, but masts do funny things with single stays. Plus, there is a compression load meaningthe hull and beams have to be stronger. In terms of...
Rob Denney
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Aug 10, 2007
3:08 pm

Hi Rob & Mark, I really liked the Rare Bird video - way more impressive than its previous sailing video. Please add more if you have extra video footage. It...
pontualm
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Aug 11, 2007
1:37 pm

G'day, Glad you liked the video. A higher, _stiffer_ mast, it could have gone faster as there is plenty of righting moment in reserve, shown by the ww hull...
Rob Denney
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Aug 11, 2007
2:08 pm

... In the real world top speed is limited by hull length. XL2 at 38' appears to have a top speed of 27 knots (Rob was on board when we did it in 1993). My...
Paul Nudd
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Aug 11, 2007
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In my reality the righting moment would have to be there before the length. Just experience with proas tell me that with a relativly light high volume leeward...
Todd
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Aug 12, 2007
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G'day, I was on board, but managed to sleep through the 27 knots! The following was written by a TRT owner on Sailing Anarchy's cruising forum about his TRT...
Rob Denney
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Aug 12, 2007
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... Just as I slept through the 26 you achieved on your watch. ... Yes, top speed is largely irrelevent. What does matter is how fast you go for a given set of...
Paul Nudd
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Aug 13, 2007
8:42 am

I like the idea of the unstayed mast. I just think of it a giant windsurf mast. Mast could be made for specific design characteristics. You could have whole...
Todd
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Aug 10, 2007
5:38 pm

She is. The most pitch stable boat I've known. No rocker means very little rocking and she seems very stable laterally. The windward hull is being damped by...
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Aug 7, 2007
12:18 pm

Hi Mark Any chance of having a look at her during the workshop next weekend? BTW How are registrations for the workshop going? I hope I'm not the only one? ;^)...
Jim Baltaxe
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Aug 8, 2007
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Fifteen knots in fifteen knots of wind? In Rare Bird? Holy moly! Very impressive, Mark and Rob. I've enjoyed watching Rare Bird going from planks to a...
Mike Crawford
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Aug 8, 2007
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It is pretty impressive for such a comfortable boat. Even with the extra weight it is still pretty light compared to most multihulls of similar length, \...
Robert
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Aug 8, 2007
2:23 am

How will the 12m Harry performance compare to Rare Bird and Blind Date ? Will their be a "cruiser" and "sport" option or will it be a compromise between the...
chesapeake410
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Aug 8, 2007
3:22 am

G'day, My Harry did 15 in 15 with lousy sails, but not much interior, so probably pretty similar. Blind Date will be faster than Rare Bird as it is lighter, ...
Rob Denney
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Aug 8, 2007
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Sorry for the typo, I meant Rare Bird but typed Rare Earth. Is their any way to edit a message after it is posted ? I was able to delete it and resend a new...
George Kuck
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Aug 8, 2007
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Hello Rod and folks, Nice video, impressive. But;) Looks like 1 metre swell possible in 15 knot winds for a boat speed of 15knots . Marshall Island Walap will...
Todd
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Aug 8, 2007
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Todd
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Aug 8, 2007
5:51 pm

The boat looks as though it is riding pretty flat to me . With 3m swell I am assuming the bow will simply punch into it and gently rise without any violent...
Robert
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Aug 9, 2007
1:25 am

No I don't think a flared bow would be any better.It would be worse. The boat doesn't look to be sailing flat. It looks to me to be heeled 5 to 7 degrees maybe...
Todd
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Aug 9, 2007
2:40 am

G'day, Don't be fooled by the reverse sheer and the spray washing over the bows. It is nowhere near it's limits, in fact, it has barely immersed the bow past ...
Rob Denney
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Aug 9, 2007
3:58 am

a rough calculation gives less than half a degree pitch. (working on 2 inches up at the stern and 2 inches down at the bow gives 10cm over 15m or 1 in 150) At...
Robert
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Aug 9, 2007
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G'day, Agree that half a degree of pitch is extraordinary at 15 knots for a double ended boat with central rig. I'm not sure of the relationship between speed...
Rob Denney
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Aug 9, 2007
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