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Re: Rare Bird Sailing

How will the 12m Harry performance compare to Rare Bird and Blind
Date ? Will their be a "cruiser" and "sport" option or will it be a
compromise between the two ?

--- In harryproa@..., "Robert" <cateran1949@...> wrote:
>
> It is pretty impressive for such a comfortable boat. Even with the
> extra weight it is still pretty light compared to most multihulls of
> similar length,
> \ Robert
>
> --- In harryproa@..., Mike Crawford <jmichael@>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fifteen knots in fifteen knots of wind? In Rare Bird? Holy
moly!
> >
> > Very impressive, Mark and Rob. I've enjoyed watching Rare Bird
going
> > from planks to a finished yacht, but have always assumed it would
be
> > somewhat of a dog on the water. Not slower than the average
monhull,
> > mind you, but nowhere near the potential of the Visionarry Sport
> > design. Given the extra weight in Rare Bird, I doubted it could
> > approach wind speed.
> >
> > I can't wait to see what Blind Date can do. Please do post
videos
> > when available.
> >
> > I'll also add my name to the list of people who are excited
about the
> > KSS developments. While it's going to be many years before I
have the
> > time to strip plank a boat large enough for the open water and
then fair
> > it, the KSS designs should bring the project within reach. To
lower the
> > cost of entry even further than it has already been lowered is
quite
> a feat.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> >
> > mark@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just spent the last 5 days on Rare Bird, the 50'
cruising proa,
> > sailing her up to Coffs Harbour from SW Rock (35 miles) for a big
clean
> > up. She was looking pretty forlorn having sat on the mooring for
over a
> > year unused, except for the swallows who have used her for a
rookery.
> > The will (diseased estate) is being sorted so she can now be
listed with
> > a broker to sell. She looks her old self again.
> > >
> > > The sail up was fairly slow with light winds on the nose but
the trip
> > back was a blast. It started off light but got up to 15 knots
from the
> > west giving us 15 knots of boat speed. She is a delight to sail
and a
> > lot of fun. I had a very impressed Australian Multihull journalist
> > onboard so a test article is coming. His wife was even more
impressed
> > (she wants one).
> > >
> > > I took a video camera so see the results at
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8chR6DAFjGA . Lousy resolution but
you
> > get the idea. Faster sailing is towards the end.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > ...................................
> > > Mark Stephens .
> > > www.harryproa.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>





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It is pretty impressive for such a comfortable boat. Even with the extra weight it is still pretty light compared to most multihulls of similar length, \...
Robert
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Aug 8, 2007
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How will the 12m Harry performance compare to Rare Bird and Blind Date ? Will their be a "cruiser" and "sport" option or will it be a compromise between the...
chesapeake410
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Aug 8, 2007
3:22 am

G'day, My Harry did 15 in 15 with lousy sails, but not much interior, so probably pretty similar. Blind Date will be faster than Rare Bird as it is lighter, ...
Rob Denney
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Aug 8, 2007
3:27 am

Sorry for the typo, I meant Rare Bird but typed Rare Earth. Is their any way to edit a message after it is posted ? I was able to delete it and resend a new...
George Kuck
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Aug 8, 2007
3:47 am

Hello Rod and folks, Nice video, impressive. But;) Looks like 1 metre swell possible in 15 knot winds for a boat speed of 15knots . Marshall Island Walap will...
Todd
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Aug 8, 2007
5:39 pm

... as ... so ... is ... need ... breeze, ... a "cruiser" ... with ... Panel ... <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/y...
Todd
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Aug 8, 2007
5:51 pm

The boat looks as though it is riding pretty flat to me . With 3m swell I am assuming the bow will simply punch into it and gently rise without any violent...
Robert
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Aug 9, 2007
1:25 am

No I don't think a flared bow would be any better.It would be worse. The boat doesn't look to be sailing flat. It looks to me to be heeled 5 to 7 degrees maybe...
Todd
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Aug 9, 2007
2:40 am

G'day, Don't be fooled by the reverse sheer and the spray washing over the bows. It is nowhere near it's limits, in fact, it has barely immersed the bow past ...
Rob Denney
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Aug 9, 2007
3:58 am

a rough calculation gives less than half a degree pitch. (working on 2 inches up at the stern and 2 inches down at the bow gives 10cm over 15m or 1 in 150) At...
Robert
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Aug 9, 2007
8:06 am

G'day, Agree that half a degree of pitch is extraordinary at 15 knots for a double ended boat with central rig. I'm not sure of the relationship between speed...
Rob Denney
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Aug 9, 2007
1:48 pm

My last post I intended Robert not Mark on the marriage thng sorry. Pitching come on its a 50' long right with Pc of .8 buoyancy almost out to the ends from...
Todd
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Aug 9, 2007
6:18 pm

I think it is square of the velocity Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote: G'day, Agree that half a degree of pitch is extraordinary at 15 knots...
Peter MacLean
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Aug 16, 2007
10:16 pm

Sure the reverse sheer is something to get used to. .8 pc is pretty great. Looks to me the bow gets depressed a few inches from the top towards the end of the...
Todd
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Aug 9, 2007
6:04 pm

... Obviously the rudder set up is draggier than if it was in the hull. However, the advantages of no holes in the hull, kicking up, lifting up, seeing when...
Rob Denney
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Aug 10, 2007
12:07 pm

Hey Rob , I hear you on the holes in hull and keeping it as simple as possible. The drag wouldn't bother me to much but just the thought of having that lower...
Todd
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Aug 10, 2007
6:51 pm

G'Day, just wanted to share some experiences with harry sailors. Up here in Singapore, lovely and humid and warm. Been out on frinds runabout motor boat...
Doug Haines
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Aug 11, 2007
9:47 am

Whats the windward hull load capacity. In the video is Rare Bird at cruising trim or light? How much more powerfull could it get before compromise? Todd ... I...
Todd
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Aug 11, 2007
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G'day, Mark and his son had been living and working on it for 5 days, so food and tools and usual gear would have been onboard. Near enough cruising trim. How...
Rob Denney
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Aug 12, 2007
5:33 am

The boat sails remarkable flat with very little pitch. I expected her to dig her bow in more but the absence of rocker really does make a boat pitch stable....
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Aug 9, 2007
10:53 am

-I have been in boats at 25 knots in lumpy seas. I don't think I would have a marriage left if I regarded this as normal part of cruising. It is amazing how...
Robert
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Aug 9, 2007
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Hi Todd, Is there any reason why it should be worse than a stayed mast in these circumstances? I think the worst would be a stayed mast with some slack in the...
Peter Southwood
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Aug 10, 2007
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Hi Peter, Yeah the whip effect of mast in high wind and wave. Could it be self perpetuated to self destruction? ... these circumstances? ... rigging which...
Todd
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Aug 10, 2007
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I would think it would only be a problem if the natural frequency of the mast and the waves is the same, This is very unlikely as the mast would have a high...
Peter Southwood
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