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Re: [harryproa] Dyna rig sailing test7 shunting manuevers, beam speed, sailing triangle course

Consider reefing like a junk rig. It would require tracks down the mast to prevent twist, but otherwise seems quite practicable. In fact with an elliptical mast section, the windage is reduced and twist prevented at the same time. the weight of the yards/battens/whatever should bring the sail down quite nicely , and as they are curved, they should be quite well balanced. A downhaul might be necessary if you cant feather the rig enough, and you do have to bundle the sail on the lee side if you want it neat, but it is quite close to the deck and should be manageable. Like single line slab reefing, but possibly easier.
Cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Denney
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Dyna rig sailing test7 shunting manuevers, beam speed, sailing triangle course

G'day,
That is seriously impressive. Well done. Definitely started me
thinking. I worry about heaving too. Not a problem on small boats,
but could be on big ones.

Could you turn the sail until it is pointing into the wind and see how
stable it is, please. If you cannot keep it aligned with the wind
will it be difficult to reef, hoist and lower as the loads on the
tracks or whatever it runs on will be high?

My second worry is the shape. I have spent a lot of time tweaking
sails for optimal shape, and it is rare for this to be draft at 50% on
the front sail, be it jib or main. However, I have tried an ogive
(section of a circle) on a two way lee board and it worked well,
apart from it's narrow angle of usefulness. This may not be a problem
on a sail which can be constantly trimmed.

Well worth a try full scale, I think.

regards,

Rob

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:18 AM, tsstproa <bitme1234@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sailing in winds from 12 to 14 wind puffs to 18mph.
> Also sailed easy rig when wind decreased. Big difference in shunting
> and sailing over all. The easy rig was very slow to shunt and was more
> prone to blowing a shunt due to the slow timing required to shunt the
> easy rig. Again the large swing up from old tack to new with the easy
> rig vs the dyna which is just a flick of a few degrees from one tack
> to the next . if you blow a shunt really easy to flick it back to
> regain control. Won't go back to an easy rig . Now I want to attempt a
> deep v paciific proa designed with a more 75% displacment main hull 25
> % displacment windward ama. Same scale 1/12 so a 24'' l main hull and
> a 16''l ama. I think I can get less wetted surface area and run
> free'er in the chop with the V hull.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIm3DpxDzJ4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYLkV4yOBcA
>
> Todd
>
>

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Sailing in winds from 12 to 14 wind puffs to 18mph. Also sailed easy rig when wind decreased. Big difference in shunting and sailing over all. The easy rig was...
tsstproa
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Aug 2, 2008
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More great videos Todd. They keep getting better. How close to the wind can you sail? Cheers, Col. ... shunting ... more ... the ... easy ... tack ... attempt...
colcampey
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Aug 2, 2008
10:49 pm

Now if we can work out how to feather the rig in case of a sudden blow. Maybe a tail plane at esch end. Loosen the front one so ti exertsts no effort and fix...
Robert
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Aug 3, 2008
6:22 am

The rig does feather. Its rigid camber allows percise control of power. Sense the sail holds its shape and having camber at 50 % of its cord and pivoting...
tsstproa
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Aug 3, 2008
2:44 pm

G'day, That is seriously impressive. Well done. Definitely started me thinking. I worry about heaving too. Not a problem on small boats, but could be on...
Rob Denney
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Aug 3, 2008
11:32 am

Hey Rob, Thanks, I think heaving may have to be an enhanced modern version of what the old square riggers use to do possibly? I have the controls set up for...
tsstproa
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Aug 3, 2008
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G'day, Ta. Heaving too is not a huge deal, but locking the rig in a low or no drive position is, at least for bigger boats. A rough and ready full size...
Rob Denney
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Aug 5, 2008
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... Very depressed at the moment as havent posted in a while and lost what for me was a long post,coupled with the fact a snail crawling across the letters on...
Tim Barker
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Aug 5, 2008
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Feathering and Heaving-To. If it can be as good a junk, just relaease the halyard and drop the sail, as easy as letting the sheet fly on a bermudan rig, in...
proajunk
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Aug 6, 2008
12:55 pm

Tim did just that but i think its to small I'll take a pic and post it for you. Also with the vane the mast has to be really smooooooth fiction free for it to...
tsstproa
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Aug 7, 2008
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-I was thinking of a small vane on either end. This gives some mechanical advantage RObert-- In harryproa@..., "tsstproa" <bitme1234@...> ... ...
Robert
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Aug 7, 2008
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Hey Rob did a test last knight winds were stronger still 14 to 18 with stronger puffs. The proa is 4 oz light to leeward the big winching servo used for the...
tsstproa
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Aug 6, 2008
11:44 pm

G'day, That will do nicely, thanks. I am going to put one on harriette, just got to finish building it. Will have a 3 part mast and sail with the battens at...
Rob Denney
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Aug 7, 2008
1:48 am

Hi Rob &al Not only do you reef the sail, you reef the mast as well. I love it! I take it that you will use the same logic as the Solitarry mast, higher...
Jim Baltaxe
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Aug 7, 2008
2:53 am

Gday, Yes and yes regards, Rob...
Rob Denney
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Aug 7, 2008
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Shunts like a Yoyo, but will have to be feathered by brute force. Not a forgiving rig. Cheers, Peter ... From: Rob Denney To: harryproa@... ...
Peter Southwood
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Aug 3, 2008
4:38 pm

... Not a forgiving rig. ... I agree. I also, still, think the sheeting will be counter-intuitive. Have to pull in on the sheet to ease the sail, let the...
k_s_oneill
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Aug 4, 2008
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Hi Kevin &al Wouldn't you work the sheets roughly similar to a spinnaker? Two sheets involved and you are balancing between them; pull the stern sheet to...
Jim Baltaxe
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Aug 4, 2008
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Kevin, Your comment that "sheeting will be counterintuitive" should not after a few min. be a problem. But, there will be no feel. Anyone that sails a proa...
john h wright
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Aug 4, 2008
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G'day, I usually cleat the sheet and steer to the telltales/hull lifting anyway. One of the early harrys had reversed steering. Did not take long to get used...
Rob Denney
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Aug 4, 2008
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Sure the rig could be nonforgiving so could a soft sail rig if not setup properly. Maybe someone can explain what the general idea shared by posters on this...
tsstproa
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Aug 4, 2008
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Well spoken, Todd! _____ Von: harryproa@... [mailto:harryproa@...] Im Auftrag von tsstproa Gesendet: Montag, 4. August 2008 19:20...
Helmut Müller
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Aug 4, 2008
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There is one point I am confused about with the Dynarig. The sail basically looks the same as the sail on a junk rig, but the junk rig is not set centered on...
Gardner Pomper
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Aug 4, 2008
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The junk rig always has the same leading edge, so the sail is shaped to head into the wind from that direction, and has a good portion of the sail area behind...
Mike Crawford
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Aug 4, 2008
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... and ... Thats ... I ... I have. Heaving to beam on to the wind is much better, at least in moderate bay conditions. We were sailing my boat in good sized...
k_s_oneill
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Aug 4, 2008
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I find it hard to beleive you were comfortable beam two wind and chop with two to three foot faces . Sounds more like a rolling sea with a long duration...
tsstproa
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Aug 4, 2008
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-The more I think about it, The more I think it can work, especially if the load is at 5o% A possibility is radio controlled vanes on each end of the boom and...
Robert
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Aug 7, 2008
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After testing friction free test with rig off of proa hull in front of the fan. I may have found a solution but probably not buildable to full size . Using...
tsstproa
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Aug 7, 2008
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Hi Todd To me feathering is turning the sail so that the aerodynamic forces are minimised and the sail develops no thrust perpendicular to the wind direction. ...
Peter Southwood
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Aug 4, 2008
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Consider reefing like a junk rig. It would require tracks down the mast to prevent twist, but otherwise seems quite practicable. In fact with an elliptical...
Peter Southwood
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Aug 3, 2008
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