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Hi Tony & Al

Sorry to butt in here, but the nav lights could be easily handled with two sets
of hull lights, one on each end of each hull, appropriately coloured and wired
so that one set or the other switches on when the rudders are lifted or dropped.
I think Rob recommended that the forward rudder should always be lifted.

Jim Baltaxe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Richardson [mailto:atrichardson@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:16
> To: harryproa@...
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Visionarry under construction in the
> Netherlands
>
>
> Giday Han
> Do Jan and Rudolf intend to make the space in the LW hull accessible?
> Progress looks great.
> Have they been able to keep the boat to budget so far?
> I know Rob isn't a fan of paint ( it weighs to much ) but do
> you think the finish on the boat any less important than the
> construction. True obsessive attention to detail in the
> paintwork is costly and time consuming but it also serves an
> important purpose ie protection of all the hard work that has
> been put into building it in the first place. Epoxy will
> break down in UV light.
> These boats look to have a significant advantage in cost due
> to the lack of major fittings ie chainplates, winches, pulleys etc
> I am interested to see if this flows into cost savings at the
> painting stage as well ( less taping off and mount remove
> paint and remount of fittings). Quicker painting time ( fewer
> fiddle areas )
> If this is true compared to an ordinary boat/cat/tri, then
> some of these apparent savings could be used to buy better
> paint and or professional labour.
> Then again maybe just get it sailing and who gives a hoot
> about the paint
> I don't know if they are at the navigation light fitting
> stage but have they indicated how they will overcome the
> port/starboard/stern lighting dilemma
> I'm interested to hear anyone's comments on all of this as well
> Rgs
> Tony:-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: H. Bijlard
> To: harryproa@...
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:48 AM
> Subject: [harryproa] Visionarry under construction in the
> Netherlands
>
>
> From your foreign correspondent: ;-)
>
> June 28th I paid a visit to the building site of the
> Visionarry being build
> in the Netherlands.
> Progress reports and photo's can be found at
> http://www.harryproa.com/BlindDate/Jan_index.htm .
>
> The windward-hull is weather proof, just needs the final
> coat of paint and
> antifouling.
> The hull is pretty fair, could stand to be painted in a
> high gloss, but is
> painted in a matte finish.
> The oval windows in the hull are mounted recessed and look
> very good.
> The hood over the cockpit looks very well, and is done
> well. Here the
> large windows are mounted in goop on top of the hood
> (bolt-on style, only
> without bolts). A little bit less sophisticated, but I
> doubt I would have
> done it in another way, as now the inside of the hood looks very
> clean. The structural members carrying the roof of the
> hood have been
> kept very slender, resulting in an almost unobstructed view
> through 360
> degrees.
> The cockpit is very clean and smooth, looks good, but
> hardly anywhere a
> place to get a firm hold. When you appreciate hand rails
> on your current
> boat, I'm sure you would add some to the cockpit of a
> Visionarry too.
>
> Most of the interior has been done, but not painted yet.
> The interior has
> been done in a functional, non-luxury way.
> Rob has used the interior, floor and bunks to support the
> hull. The hull
> has been built in 12 mm WRC, with 600 gr/m2 bi-ax outside
> and 400 gr/m2
> bi-ax inside. Man, this is this a strong, sturdy hull !
> Although Rob tries to keep his boats light, this hull
> certainly isn't
> under-spec'ed.
>
> The cabin gives an impression of roominess and space.
> Sleeps six, but lack
> of privacy could be a problem.
> The double bunks are "king-size", with plenty of space to
> store personal
> luggage. The luggage compartments next to the beams are HUGE.
> Taken into consideration that most labor on this boat paid
> labor, I think
> any shortcuts made were sensible to keep cost down. We
> have a yachting
> culture here (just like in Germany and Scandinavia) where
> we tend to regard
> "showroom shine" & perfect as a MUST. This boat barely
> measures up to that
> ridicules yardstick, and that's just fine by me.
>
> Jan & Rudoph will probably start on the lee-hull next, and
> that one should
> be finished even faster as it has a lot less double
> curvature, and no interior.
>
> Regards, Han.
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Hi Tony & Al Sorry to butt in here, but the nav lights could be easily handled with two sets of hull lights, one on each end of each hull, appropriately...
Jim Baltaxe
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Jul 2, 2003
12:27 am

Jim said I think Rob recommended that the forward rudder should always be lifted. Not at all. The forward rudder can stay down, unless you are racing. The ...
Rob Denney
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Jul 2, 2003
3:11 am

I'm not up on lights, but couldn't one just do masthead lights that come around with the spar, the spar does rotate doesn't it? Port and starboard seems a...
proaconstrictor
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Jul 2, 2003
5:00 am

Hi Connie :^) Yes, I'm sure that would work (assuming the electrics will accommodate the swiveling) although there are jurisdictions where tricolour or...
Jim Baltaxe
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Jul 2, 2003
5:13 am

I don't think the rudder is to be lifted at any stage when sailing? There is a need for both rudders in the water to provide balance and leeway functions. It...
Tony Richardson
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Jul 2, 2003
6:08 am

How is the sparhead issue different than on any rotating rig, where sparhead lights are in stacked sets with switches. Is downwind work asumed to be with the...
proaconstrictor
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Jul 2, 2003
6:34 am

Is this a bit like Daylight Saving Time when the sun goes one way but my clock goes the other way?...
jameshanahan
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Jul 2, 2003
6:39 am

Apart from the nav lights we have the problem of the flags, important in some countries. I wonder if we could have a small mast on the WW hull with the nav ...
Nicolas Vivier
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Jul 2, 2003
6:57 am

Hi all, Couldn´t the nav lights be mounted on a pole on each end of the leeward hull (cannot be windward because they would be blanketed by the sails). I ...
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Jul 2, 2003
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G'day, Sture's suggestion is the only one that would work, so far. A mast head tricolour needs a non rotating tube inside the mast. This is possible, but ...
Rob Denney
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Jul 2, 2003
1:25 pm

-Wouldn't it be lovely to be sailing at night and the biggest stress was to flick a switch to reverse the nav lights-- This is probably a bit flippant as it...
Robert
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... When I ... box ... structure, tied to ... Which boom are you going to have in the plans? ... Someone on the wharram site had figures for Kiri as follows: ...
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G'day, Which boom are you going to have in the plans? Good question! I like the diamond one (lighter, cheaper) but it is not the absolute answer yet. Niggly...
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Jul 3, 2003
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Jul 12, 2003
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... Right ... This way your sails will cover your lights for the boats to you lee. Any sailboat can have a "floodlight on the sails". They don't do it, as you...
H. Bijlard
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Jul 12, 2003
8:48 am

I would think that the reason for some boats having masthead lighting is because of the effect of ocean swell hiding nav lights on hulls sometimes. Better to...
Tony Richardson
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Jul 2, 2003
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Well the 180 thing isn't a problem since the spar moves in the right direction for the one the boat is now headed in. The 90 degree thing is a problem of...
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... From: "Tony Richardson" <atrichardson@...> Although Rob says you could pull one up for racing I suspect that if you did the bow would fall away off...
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