G'day,

The motor requirement us correct, and is a nuisance, not just because
of the weight, but the fixed prop in one hull is downright dangerous
and silly, both for cats and proas. They agreed that it is not ideal
and I suggested another option (minimum speed in flat water and/or a
bollard pull figure. They are considering this at their October
meeting, although I do not have very high hopes for an amendment.
The other requirements for Cat 1 are not too onerous, and weigh a
couple of hundred kgs. Most of them I agree with, but some do not
apply to harrys and I would seek an exemption.

Reality is, that an ultra light Solitarry may not be allowed to race
officially. However, if they were not prepared to modify the engine
rules, I think there is enough goodwill that it could be raced
unofficially (ie, no prizes), as long as it had enough engine capacity
to get in and out of the marinas. This is not such a big deal and
could be done without adding much weight, even if it had to be a fixed
prop.

From my point of view, just being allowed to start and sail with them
would be a huge step in the right direction.

regards,

Rob.

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM, D Z <ubik245@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
> Hi Rob and all the others,
>
> great that the solitarry will be allowed to start in the route du rhum. I am
> very interested in the solitarry and I think it is a great approach to make
> an easy to handle light boat.
>
> But have you considered all the rules that the boat has to fulfill to get
> into
> the class? You wrote that the rules will be adjusted but I wonder in which
> way and if that is really possible. As far as I know the open 50 rules are
> fixed till 2010.
>
> Have you also considered the OSR for category 1 racing for multihulls?
>
> I see the problem that after fitting all the necessary equipment the boat
> would be too heavy. I saw in the rules that you need for example a 27 hp
> motor. Do you know if these kind of rules can be modified?
>
> Just to be right understood, I don't want to talk against the boat or the
> idea
> to sail the route du rhum with it I just want to know more about the chances
> one could have with a harryproa.
>
> bye
> Dominik
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail. com>
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, 4 September, 2008 8:20:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: progress
>
> G'day,
>
> Feel free to post any logo ideas. At present there is no official
> harry logo, so all ideas considered, especially the outside the square
> ones.
>
> How would a harry (say Solitarry) go against Crepes Wahou?
>
> Solitarry is:
>
> About 20% of the weight (800 kgs vs 4.2 tonnes)
> 30% the upwind sail area (50 vs 170 sq m)
> 40% of downwind sail area (100 vs 250 sq m) Solitarry's is a kite, so
> a) it can sail deeper and b) it is in stronger air.
> About 50% of the windage. (estimate)
> About 30% of the water drag. (guess)
> Bruce number 1.92 vs 2.03
> Cost $50,000 vs $1-2,000,000
> Ratio of possible problems 1:100
>
> In theory, Solitarry has a pretty good chance. In practise, it would
> be up against a legend sailing a state of the art boat with tens of
> thousands of miles of experience, so would probably be hammered. As
> you say, make it a cost based formula, and there would be no argument.
>
> Also interesting would be to see how Blind Date went against the
> cruisier Classe 50's such as Victorinox.
>
> regards,
>
> rob
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:02 AM, hardystein2004
> <hardystein2004@ yahoo.com. au> wrote:
>> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rob Denney" <harryproa@. ..> wrote:
>>>
>>> G'day,
>>>
>>> I received the following from one of the administrators of the Classe
>>> 50 multihull organisation. Given that the OSTAR organisers and ISAF
>>> are dead set against proas (for very ill defined reasons), it is good
>>> to see the French daring to explore new possibilities.
>>>
>>> I wish to inform you that if you are willing to race the Route du
>>> Rhum 2010 they is a possibility for you and your boat.
>>>
>>> The only thing to make sure is that your boat confirm with the Class
>> 50' Open's
>>> rules, to become a member of the Class and to have the boat surveyed to
>>> obtain a Class certificate ( http://www.50pieds. org ).
>>>
>>> Sunday night at the prize giving of the Trophé Malo (Class 50' Open
>> meeting) I
>>> started a discussion with Hervé Cléris (Class President - skipper
>> Prince de
>>> Bretagne) and Franck-Yves Escoffier (Vice-President - skipper Crêpes
>> Whaou)
>>> about proas.
>>> We all agreed, if a proa confirm within our Class rules, he will be
>> allow to
>>> race any event of the class ... and the Route du Rhum is one of them.
>>>
>>> I want to point that next october the technical commitee (in which I
>> take
>>> part)will improve this rule so if you a special view to express
>> regarding the
>>> proas, do send me your remarks.
>>>
>>> My message is not to force you to change your plans but to inform
>> you of a
>>> certain evolution regarding the possibility of racing a proa
>> singlehanded.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your project and if you need anything just get in touch.
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Marc Pardailhé-Galabrun
>>> Class 50' Open administrator
>>> end quote
>>> This would be an incredible opportunity for a sponsor or for a
>>> wannabee sailor looking for a low cost, high profile entry in a high
>>> profile event, as even if the proa did not win (debatable, happy to
>>> discuss it ;-)) it would certainly get the lion's share of the
>>> publicity pre race.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> Very encouraging , Rob .- And about time proa`s got a fair go.-
>>
>> Big HARRYPROA logo on sails ....:-)
>>
>> Logo design competition anyone ?
>>
>>
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