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Re: [harryproa] Another layout submitted for review


  Cutting your support down from six feet to three feet (for example -- not exact) is roughly going to double the force on the bearings. 

  As with the rudder stocks, this can be designed for.  However, that's going to require a heavier mast beefier lw hull, new engineering design, and so forth, and may not be worth the cost and weight penalties.

  How about a two-part mast or Rob's telescoping mast?  I've got a two-part carbon fiber mast on a much smaller boat, and I have to say that I love the design.  I'm less sure about the telescoping mast.  I can see the benefits, especially if racing single-handed, but worry about its longevity in the elements.  But I'm always open to new ideas, and look forward to seeing it implemented.

  There's no reason why your masts have to be restricted to 39' just because of the container length.

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  I like the way you dealt with handling the width of the cockpit.  I've been thinking about a removable cockpit that would allow the two hulls to get closer together, but this is more elegant.  How would you protect those singles in the leeward hull from weather?  Some sort of pram?


       - Mike



Gardner Pomper wrote:

It seems as soon as I finish one layout idea and post it, another pops up. If I assume that my mast will be 39' or less, how much height in the lw hull is required to support them? It occurs to me that I could make the lw hull smaller and lower and the ww hull deck wider and slide right over the top of the lw hull if I could get away with about 3' of support for the masts. Is that enough?


- Gardner

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G'day, The smallest bury we have done is 750mm on 11m length, which is 6.8%, so 3' on 39 (7.7%) is possible, but make sure you actually do have 3' by the time...
Rob Denney
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Dec 6, 2008
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Cutting your support down from six feet to three feet (for example -- not exact) is roughly going to double the force on the bearings. As with the rudder...
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Dec 6, 2008
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... pops up. ... lw hull ... lw hull ... the top of ... masts. Is ... getting ... a tight ... issue is ... builder (I ... for a ... An inch ... reasonable to ...
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Dec 7, 2008
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-Sorry for the previous non post. Nice rendition and some nice ideas. I like the rudder systems. I think it may be possible to go one stage further by having a...
Robert
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Dec 7, 2008
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Hi, I am trying very hard to not have to disassemble the boat for shipping. With the 4.5' overlap on the cockpit and lw hull, the two hulls can be locked ...
Gardner Pomper
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-I was going for a flare rather than a simple slope as I was wanting to keep the hull as narrow as possible for as high as possible and the flare would...
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Hi all, Ok, thanks to all the great feedback I have gotten, I have made some adjustments and uploaded a new set of drawings for the containerizabe harryproa...
Gardner Pomper
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You can get a used shipping container in good condition for between $1,500 and $3,000, depending upon how nice you want the container, whether or not the...
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Hi, Thanks for a very informative reply. It sounds like buying a container is the least expensive part of the whole operation. Just the storage fees you ...
Gardner Pomper
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Price depends very much on the first and last miles. A client quoted their shipping prices to me last week and said shipping from China to Europe cost a...
Arto Hakkarainen
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Agreed on the last mile. The port and shipping company can also be an issue. If you're going from a well-known port in China to Newark or Newport News, the...
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How about calling it: Harry-in-a-box Anywhere Harry Merchant Harry Harry transformer Storeable Harry or put some personal flair: Pomper-Harry   ...
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I would love: Harry Pomper ;-)) ... adjustments and uploaded a new set of drawings for the containerizabe harryproa (what a mouthful! I need a better name!) ...
Tsan Akou
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I like "Harry in a box". It is very description and I think you could add a subtitle of "boxing up out-of-the-box thinking" I also keep thinking that there are...
Gardner Pomper
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GP, I don't understand the missing middle section out of thelw hull, why is there the step down - to save weight I guess, but won't it lose some strength. I...
Doug Haines
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Dec 15, 2008
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Doug, The missing lw hull middle section in the Contrarry layouts is so tht the ww hull cabins can overlap the lw hull when the beam is contracted for shipping...
Gardner Pomper
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G'day, It all looks good to me. I am flat out with the China boats and an 80'ter at the moment so have been watching, but not commenting. Plus, you guys are...
Rob Denney
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Dec 15, 2008
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I was thinking it might be easier to transfer loads if the beams are attached on one side of the bulkhead and the rudders and masts attached to the other side....
Robert
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Hi all,   Who would be interested in the half done harriette? I've justgone a bit cold on it, and was trying to get away soon somewhere on sidecar. So anyone...
Doug Haines
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I guess I was talking about how there waas too much breeze and sea for me to be comfortable, but a bigger boat or bigger balls would see better speeds. ... ...
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<<This lets the rudder shaft and attachments stay fixed when the rudder kicks up>> I have worries about this kick-up design. I'll admit that I'm one of the...
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G'day, Yes and no. Lots of things have been designed without fea. It is mostly used for fine tuning, not the basics. Beam theory, experience and common...
Rob Denney
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Hi,   I suppose something could get all screwed up like when the rudder is partly swung up out of it's sleeve and then you would probably be able to break...
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Hi,   I suppose something could get all screwed up like when the rudder is partly swung up out of it's sleeve and then you would probably be able to break...
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I am completely in agreement on not building anything right away. I mostly post my layouts and especially the rudder designs to get feedback exactly like this....
Gardner Pomper
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Rob's latest designs, to the best of my knowledge, are on the group files section in "Rough beam rudders & fea of rudder supports" and are also briefly...
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Hi, Thanks for posting those. I checked them out, and I had seen them before, but I guess I just don't understand what I am looking at. It basically just looks...
Gardner Pomper
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I don't think anyone knows what the final design will be, including Rob. As far as I know, it's a work in progress, and they are still experimenting, both...
Mike Crawford
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G'day, Those are the ones I made and tested which formed the basis for the new ones on Blind Date, except that BD's are liftable and wheel steered. They do...
Rob Denney
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So the hinge could be above the bearings instead of below it. That looks a bit more effective than the sleeve. This is where the wheel problem comes in to the...
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