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Re: [harryproa] Re: Another quick and dirty proa

Is that stitch and glue hull?
How are you shaping the ends in?
 
Doug

--- On Thu, 5/3/09, Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
From: Robert <cateran1949@...>
Subject: [harryproa] Re: Another quick and dirty proa
To: harryproa@...
Date: Thursday, 5 March, 2009, 10:22 AM

I am building a Harriette from ply. For the ww hull, I am giving a v-bottom and bending the sides into the bilges. This means a bit of cutting and shaping at the bow but prefer not to have a flat bottom on e ww hull if it flies a hulls and slams back down again.
Robert --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "jrwells2007" <jrwells2007@ ...> wrote:
>
> Next step then:
> I am thinking in terms of ww hull 2 sheets of ply long (just under 16 feet) and lw hull 3 sheets of ply long (just under 24 feet) - no rocker on either.
> Single mast as mostly single-handed - rotating - fixed booms extending in opposite directions so that I can experiment with different rigs, marconi, lug, junk, square, easy.
> Width 2.5 metres for towing - narrow but ww hull would be heavier than Elementarry which should compensate to some extent.
> Slim hulls with adequate displacement achieved by deeper rather than wider.
> Still sounding alright?
>
> --- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps..com.au, Rob Denney <harryproa@> wrote:
> >
> > G'day,
> > No problem at all. I have built a few flat bottomed proas, all worked
> > well. Main decision is whether to put any rocker in. I wouldn't, as
> > the boat then tends to sail on the front part, so you are more nose
> > down than otherwise. I guess if you got enough weight aft, it might
> > sail on the back part, might even plane, but if it is skinny enoufgh,
> > this is not necessary. Let me know the dimensions, sail area,
> > materials and payload and we will see what we can come up with.
>




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I am building a Harriette from ply. For the ww hull, I am giving a v-bottom and bending the sides into the bilges. This means a bit of cutting and shaping at...
Robert
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Mar 4, 2009
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Is that stitch and glue hull? How are you shaping the ends in?   Doug ... From: Robert <cateran1949@...> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Another quick and...
Doug Haines
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Mar 5, 2009
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Intending stitch and glue for any non-right-angle joints. With a flat, non-rocker, hull and slab sides I might just use chine stringers and glue the ply to the...
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Mar 5, 2009
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Robert
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Good point - thanks. John...
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Mar 6, 2009
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I thought that was Roobert writing about making a harriette. An introduction to who you are and where you live?   Doug Mandurah ... From: jrwells2007...
Doug Haines
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Based in England, west coast. Been sailing for 50 years, mainly one design dinghy and one design keelboat racing on the east coast; some big boat cruising and...
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Mar 6, 2009
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Hi gang,   Just like to put some attention back on the Elementarry racer. Sailing on Rob's (fair while ago now), it really is far and away the quickest thing...
Doug Haines
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Mar 7, 2009
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-I have some cedar which I have been ripping into 15x15mm strips. The strips are glued at deck edges and keel. 3 x 90 degrees only gives 270 degrees so the...
Robert
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Mar 6, 2009
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-I wonder about achieving F27 speeds with a flat bottomed system as once the bow depresses under sailing loads, there is a hard edge for the water to go...
Robert
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Mar 7, 2009
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Thanks for the comment - I had forgotten that having no rocker would create this problem - I was thinking about dory or sharpie type construction but of course...
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Mar 7, 2009
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Hello,   You can get a round chine with plywood on frame / stitch and glue construction by putting two stringers, one each side of chine (or leave out and...
George Kuck
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Mar 7, 2009
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What was the radius that you were achieving when you did this?...
jrwells2007
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Mar 7, 2009
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Hi George, Were you using polyester resin with the CSM. Can you use epoxy with the CSM. ... From: jrwells2007 <jrwells2007@...> Subject: [harryproa]...
barrie lyall
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Mar 7, 2009
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     Further to quick and dirty I like Dudley Dix method of radius chine in particular to his catamaran hulls. Flat ply sides then radius chine 2 layers...
barrie lyall
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Mar 7, 2009
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I was using system three epoxy.  It is more difficult wetting out CSM with epoxy do to the binder in the mat but it does work.  It takes longer for fibers to...
George Kuck
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 George, given your experience do you have any comment on the Dix radius chine method. Previously I had thought it was only applicable to his Didi series then...
barrie lyall
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Mar 7, 2009
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One more thing I forgot to mention,  when wetting out thick strips of fiberglass I find it easier to wet them out on table or in shallow troth horizontally...
George Kuck
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I think the method I described is used mostly for joining multi chine boats.  Bending plywood would probably work better for round bottom or larger radius...
George Kuck
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 Continued challenges. In preparation for an indulgence in a ply try build I would like to use vinylester resin. I worked on a Disneyland Hotel project in HK...
barrie lyall
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George do you know anything about the Command 10? Was it a plywood precursor to the F series?  Did you design your float hulls as higher buoyancy? ... From:...
barrie lyall
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Priming with MEKP is a serious fire hazard. MEKP can cause flammable materials to burst into flame. (rags used to wipe up a spill should be wetted with water,...
Peter Southwood
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Hello,   The Command 10 was a wood strip planked boat as I remember.  It came out (or I found out abought it) after I had started construction of the TT720...
George Kuck
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Hello, For laminating fiberglass on plywood, If I were doing it now I would use vynil ester resin and put a well catalysed prime coat on first (non waxed,air...
George Kuck
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Forgot to mention , yes the float hulls will have slightly more buoyancy, they are one foot longer overall and 1 1/2 to 2" inches wider.  The old hull was...
George Kuck
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  Peter, thanks for your reply, I will make some further tests with the coupling agent added.   The Hydroxyl Methylated Resorsinol primed Gluelam beams that...
barrie lyall
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Mar 8, 2009
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If I was going to vinylester, I would go to synthetic core, allowing one sided skinning and easy bending. Marine ply is too expensive to risk. If I was using...
Robert
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Mar 8, 2009
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Robert, Could you expand on the below? "allowing one sided skinning and easy bending." Are you saying to apply glass on one side and then bend and then skin...
jhargrovewright2
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Mar 8, 2009
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Yes. Double skin the areas that you want to keep flat and single skin the areas you want to bend. Derek has been advocating this for years with his KSS system....
Robert
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Mar 9, 2009
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Somewhat agree. Check out the US forestry sheathed gluelam tests. If one prime coat with a resorsinol primer means easier catalyzing, less goo factor, no...
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