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Re: Fine tuning design questions

since my design turned out to be practically identical to harry in
length, width and weight, I would like to check against that design.
Can you tell me what the height is above the water for the beams, and
about what the size of the beams is, since I am just using 1 foot
squares for placeholders now?

Also what is the waterline beam of each hull?

Would you change any of that is you were redesigning harry now?

Thanks
- Gardner

On Monday, May 4, 2009, Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote:
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> G'day,
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> The weight transfer does not happen until the breeze is pretty strong,
> and the speed exceeds the hull speed of a short, fat hull very
> quickly. eg, the 33' windward hull on Rare bird has a hull speed
> (1.34 * the waterline length, in feet) of 7.6 knots, which it gets to
> in under 10 knots of breeze, but the windward hull barely lifts at 20
> knots of wind speed when the boat is capable of 15 knots plus, at
> which speed the drag of the short hull would be immense.
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> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM, jrwells2007 <jrwells2007@...> wrote:
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>> Rob, I have read somewhere that cats and tris aim for a minimum of 8:1 to
>> prevent stern squatting in the manner of a mono-hull. For the ww hull an 8:1
>> would have lower surface area for a given displacement than an 11:1 so less
>> resistance at low speeds. At higher speeds some of the displacement of the
>> ww hull would be carried by the lw hull and therefore the greater wave
>> making resistance of 8:1 would be less of a factor. Are there other more
>> important considerations such as drag on the steering?
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>> Longer and skinnier is still better for speed probably.
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Hi Rob, I am not sure if I should post questions to you on my design via private email, or the forum. Since there aren't any specific structure or finance...
Gardner Pomper
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May 4, 2009
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G'day, here is fine.  Answers follow questions ... A bit more to it than max and min (boat weight, cabin and cockpit set up, beam location), but basically...
Rob Denney
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May 4, 2009
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Rob, I have read somewhere that cats and tris aim for a minimum of 8:1 to prevent stern squatting in the manner of a mono-hull. For the ww hull an 8:1 would...
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May 4, 2009
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When doing calculations of surface area, I found that with the displacement of Harrys, from about 12:1 to about 16:1 for the ww hulll there was not a great...
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May 4, 2009
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G'day, The weight transfer does not happen until the breeze is pretty strong, and the speed exceeds the hull speed of a short, fat hull very quickly. eg, the...
Rob Denney
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May 4, 2009
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since my design turned out to be practically identical to harry in length, width and weight, I would like to check against that design. Can you tell me what...
Gardner Pomper
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May 4, 2009
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G'day, Aroha has 600mm/2' beam clearance, beams are 200 high x 300 wide (8" x 12") waterline beams are 750 and 500mm (30" and 20"). I have not sailed on Aroha,...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
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Rob, I would like to compare to a known quantity. I know you have sailed Harrigami, and said that it sails at wind speed up to about 15 kts, so could you give...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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G'day, Harrigami managed 15 in 15 on a reach in flat water. I don't remember any other performance numbers. regards, Rob...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
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I was looking for the waterline beams and the draft of each hull. Are those the numbers you don't remember, or other sailing numbers? - Gardner...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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G'day, No idea, sorry. Lee hull was 600 wide (I had to be able to get inside) and had semi circular sections, but I can't remember where it floated. ww hull...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
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Hi, That helps alot. I am looking at 500mm lw and 600mm ww, with semicircular bottoms and vertical sides, so I can tell from your numbers that I am not fatter...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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Hi hi,   the other day on a pleasant reach in moderte 10-12 knots (maybe more) I dumped off the aft sheet and noticed the boat fall down on it's ww hull....
Doug Haines
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May 5, 2009
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hi robert,   i have gone up through the top of a big wave and come down with a little bit of a slap, but really nothing much. lw hull that is. ww never gets...
Doug Haines
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