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Re: [harryproa] Re: Fine tuning design questions

G'day,

Aroha has 600mm/2' beam clearance, beams are 200 high x 300 wide (8" x
12") waterline beams are 750 and 500mm (30" and 20").

I have not sailed on Aroha, so can't comment on the accuracy of these
numbers, nor how well it works. I would prefer more lee hull beam
clearance,and would see if the beams could be smaller. Probably go
with a mostly solid bridgedeck to help with this.

Only other change would be to make it from panels, if I was paying for
it. John in China is busting to give you a quote. Any idea when you
will have something for him?

regards,

Rob

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Gardner Pomper <gardner@...> wrote:
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> length, width and weight, I would like to check against that design.
> Can you tell me what the height is above the water for the beams, and
> about what the size of the beams is, since I am just using 1 foot
> squares for placeholders now?
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> Also what is the waterline beam of each hull?
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> Would you change any of that is you were redesigning harry now?
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> Thanks
> - Gardner
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> On Monday, May 4, 2009, Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote:
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>> The weight transfer does not happen until the breeze is pretty strong,
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>> quickly. eg, the 33' windward hull on Rare bird has a hull speed
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>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM, jrwells2007 <jrwells2007@...>
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>>> Rob, I have read somewhere that cats and tris aim for a minimum of 8:1 to
>>> prevent stern squatting in the manner of a mono-hull. For the ww hull an
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>>> ww hull would be carried by the lw hull and therefore the greater wave
>>> making resistance of 8:1 would be less of a factor. Are there other more
>>> important considerations such as drag on the steering?
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Hi Rob, I am not sure if I should post questions to you on my design via private email, or the forum. Since there aren't any specific structure or finance...
Gardner Pomper
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May 4, 2009
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G'day, here is fine.  Answers follow questions ... A bit more to it than max and min (boat weight, cabin and cockpit set up, beam location), but basically...
Rob Denney
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May 4, 2009
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Rob, I have read somewhere that cats and tris aim for a minimum of 8:1 to prevent stern squatting in the manner of a mono-hull. For the ww hull an 8:1 would...
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When doing calculations of surface area, I found that with the displacement of Harrys, from about 12:1 to about 16:1 for the ww hulll there was not a great...
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G'day, The weight transfer does not happen until the breeze is pretty strong, and the speed exceeds the hull speed of a short, fat hull very quickly. eg, the...
Rob Denney
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May 4, 2009
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since my design turned out to be practically identical to harry in length, width and weight, I would like to check against that design. Can you tell me what...
Gardner Pomper
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May 4, 2009
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G'day, Aroha has 600mm/2' beam clearance, beams are 200 high x 300 wide (8" x 12") waterline beams are 750 and 500mm (30" and 20"). I have not sailed on Aroha,...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
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Rob, I would like to compare to a known quantity. I know you have sailed Harrigami, and said that it sails at wind speed up to about 15 kts, so could you give...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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G'day, Harrigami managed 15 in 15 on a reach in flat water. I don't remember any other performance numbers. regards, Rob...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
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I was looking for the waterline beams and the draft of each hull. Are those the numbers you don't remember, or other sailing numbers? - Gardner...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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G'day, No idea, sorry. Lee hull was 600 wide (I had to be able to get inside) and had semi circular sections, but I can't remember where it floated. ww hull...
Rob Denney
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May 5, 2009
2:51 pm

Hi, That helps alot. I am looking at 500mm lw and 600mm ww, with semicircular bottoms and vertical sides, so I can tell from your numbers that I am not fatter...
Gardner Pomper
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May 5, 2009
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Hi hi,   the other day on a pleasant reach in moderte 10-12 knots (maybe more) I dumped off the aft sheet and noticed the boat fall down on it's ww hull....
Doug Haines
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May 5, 2009
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hi robert,   i have gone up through the top of a big wave and come down with a little bit of a slap, but really nothing much. lw hull that is. ww never gets...
Doug Haines
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