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Re: [harryproa] Moulds

G'day,

We have a relatively low cost technique for building foam/epoxy hulls
(painted post mould) using cheap female moulds. It is a technique I used on
W (12m cat in NZ). Nothing very tricky about it, it just uses some new
technology in resins and mould releases.

I am pretty sure the overall cost will be cheaper (more expensive materials,
much less labour, lighter boat) than a strip planked boat, but until we have
built one, we won't know for sure. The plan is to build a mould for an
Elementarry (8m with 4m windward hull) to debug and improve the process,
then if it works, move onto bigger ones. We would also like to get an idea
of how long the moulds last, (they get heated to cure the resin, which
traditionally does strange things to moulds) and whether this can be
improved. For this, we need a few orders.

The moulds will be in Coffs Harbour (midway Sydney-Brisbane), from where
shipping via container would be the best bet.


Regards,

Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [harryproa] Moulds


> Hi Al
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> I'd be tempted to say yes, but I'm not quite at the stage where I could
commit (anyone else) to anything yet. Can you say a bit more about the
implications? Where would it be located? What building techniques would be
used to take the hulls off it? Straight F/glass? Still strip-plank? Sorry if
these are dumb questions, but I'd like to know
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> > From: colcampey [mailto:cjcampey@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 11:15
> > To: harryproa@...
> > Subject: [harryproa] Moulds
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> > Hi all,
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> > How many list members would be interested in having hulls, for any of
> > the Harryproas, produced from a mould ( That's mold for our American
> > brethren ) to get a head start in the buiding of their boat? If there
> > are enough then the cost of the fairest, lightest hull becomes less
> > than a one-off hull, covering the cost of the mo(u)ld as well.
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> > Regards,
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Hi, I would certainly be interested in hulls from moulds ( visionary), especially foam sandwich!. I know wood is an excellent mat'l but it is labor intensive...
Peter MacLean
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Nov 11, 2003
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G'day, We have a relatively low cost technique for building foam/epoxy hulls (painted post mould) using cheap female moulds. It is a technique I used on W...
Rob Denney
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Nov 11, 2003
1:22 pm

G'day, I also like the look of wood, but have a problem with sanding it to get it fair! The proposed technique uses a strip planked mould (probably mdf as it ...
Rob Denney
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Nov 11, 2003
1:31 pm

G'day, With our hull shapes, it may be feasible to use the same moulds for various size boats. For example, an 18m/60' hull 2m/6'8" wide could have near flat...
Rob Denney
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Nov 11, 2003
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G'day, The extra weight of a non cored hull will be significant, particularly in the smaller boats. A gel coat finish is not envisaged as it requires a huge...
Rob Denney
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Nov 11, 2003
1:48 pm

Count me in! I am interested in a camper on up to Harrigami but only if the folding for trailering is available. Thanks Bob G. ... From: Rob Denney...
Grona Jr, Robert J.
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Nov 11, 2003
4:27 pm

Me too! Elementarry for starters. I might need a custom ww hull though, to accommodate those ideas we were discussing offlist, Rob. Andrew ... From: Grona Jr,...
Andrew Dickson
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Nov 12, 2003
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Hi Rob Any idea of a rough price for such an Elementarry, assuming several orders to defray mould costs etc.? Enjoy Jim Baltaxe ITS Desktop Support Victoria...
Jim Baltaxe
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Nov 11, 2003
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Hi Andrew Could I be so bold as to ask you what some of those offline ideas might be? I'm also very interested in an Elementarry with a camping layout. I sort...
Jim Baltaxe
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Nov 12, 2003
8:43 pm

Around here the usual reason for building small molded boats is to imediately launch off into ever larger sizes, it is rarely commercial to build small ones...
proaconstrictor
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Nov 12, 2003
9:14 pm

Hi Jim, For sure, no probs. I really want a small boat to go camp-cruising on, and my background in kayak expeditioning gives me the desire to: - make sails...
Andrew Dickson
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Nov 13, 2003
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G'day, Not at the moment. All a bit chicken and egg, unfortunately. We need the orders to pay for the moulds, but can't quote prices till we have built a ...
Rob Denney
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Nov 13, 2003
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G'day, Not a pest at all. I appreciate any comments, from any source (even you, Fritz :-). The camping layout we discussed had telescoping beams operated by...
Rob Denney
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Nov 13, 2003
2:39 am

G'day, A thought provoking letter. Thanks. The reasons for building a small one are 1) The moulding technique is new. We need to know what is involved before...
Rob Denney
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Nov 13, 2003
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I'm not sure that testing ideas on the smaller proa means they will scale up all that well on a larger one. To take your Hobie example the steering system on...
proaconstrictor
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Nov 13, 2003
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I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at but if I want to build some folding beams for Rob and for myself (and for anyone else awho may want them)...
jameshanahan
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Nov 14, 2003
2:28 am

Folding beams would make a hell of a difference to how often people would get sailing. I don't see what the scaling problems are in terms of stress and strain....
Robert
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Nov 14, 2003
6:45 am

... going ... power. ... have ... materials ... at ... at ... of ... small proa, is handy because i can establish production time which doesn't always scale in...
jameshanahan
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Nov 14, 2003
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The molds I'm talking about are the molds for hulls, not beams. Anything anyone wants to do that advances the craft on their own is fine by me. Anything that...
proaconstrictor
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Nov 15, 2003
6:51 pm

... I would have agreed with you completely on this point until I started to fair my 5m strip plank and plywood proa. I love working in strip plank and plywood...
Robert
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Nov 16, 2003
11:01 pm

We are mostly in agreement it seems. I hope the PHD defence goes every bit as well. Good luck!...
proaconstrictor
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Nov 22, 2003
1:06 am

I have a 2 "Shark" cats, 20ft, ply decks, fold down the centerline, we never sail them because of how difficult they are to unfold and setup. We even...
surryequip
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Feb 6, 2004
7:05 pm

I tend to agree about the viability locally but expensive in freight for further afield. I'd certainly consider a mould 700km away for a bigger boat but would...
Robert
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Nov 14, 2003
7:11 am

Hi Rob What you say makes a great deal of sense and is very encouraging. Let's break the Chicken & Egg cycle and at least pick a small design to work on. If...
Jim Baltaxe
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Nov 13, 2003
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G'day, Forgot to mention. No problem with alloy beams (apart from weight, corrosion and fatigue ;-), although they would need to be built up with bog on the...
Rob Denney
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Nov 13, 2003
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G'day, Thanks. Telescoping beams are almost as simple to build as demountable beams, but have the advantage of keeping usable trampoline space at trailerable...
Rob Denney
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Nov 13, 2003
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G,day Rob & all, beams aren't quite ready yet but the mould will be finished tomorow and first half beam made on the weekend ready for destruction next week....
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Nov 13, 2003
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