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Re: Sail Rig Options

For those who don't know much about the ICW. The US east
Coast is very dangerous at certain times of the year. Hurricane
season and Fall- Early winter. Weather fronts turn the Gulf
stream into a frothy maelstrom at times. Very steep and high
peaked wave action with no clear pattern. Not a nice place to
motor or sail. The coast itself too near shore has shifting bars
due to the intense storm action. So have to be offshore some
distance which puts your craft in the problem area. Lots of
adventure stories from those who have experienced this kind of
sea.

Those with sanity will take the ICW which is a network of rivers,
canals, bays and inlets during these conditions or predicted
weather. The ICW has a beauty and charm of its own which
some like to experience. Not all is narrow channel. Besides the
height limit the ICW is not uniformly deep. It flows with river and
tidal action so has shifting bars as well. Many places even in the
center of the channel is only 7 feet deep. Lowering tha mast
through the hull would likely guarantee a grounding and at a
really bad place, channel under a bridge.

Based on my estimate of the added stretch length plus cabin we
are in the 8000# range, dry weight. Add equipment and full load,
supplies and water, 6 PAX, max displacement will be at least
11,000#. I am leaving a little room of 1-2000# for design
changes, hull & structure amendments for changes in load
bearing features, plus what happens to the mast & sail weight.
That still is reasonably light compared to the cruising
competition for similar capacity. I could do with less but have to
appease the "boss" !

Keep the ideas coming, I didn't mind a tilting mast except for cost
and safety. It had merit but preferred not to complicate the
balestron rig excessively.

Regards,

JT

--- In harryproa@..., "proaconstrictor"
<proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> How much is truly lost by motoring the IC, and building the right
> rig, and having it stepped wherever you reach open water? I
mean
> realisticaly. I've never done it, so I'm just wondering.
>
> I have a silly idea, what happens if the spar fits in the boat like
a
> daggerboard, and you can drop it so that 10 feet are dragging
in the
> water Then you winch it back up, after you pass under the
bridge.
> Obviously a big drag in the water, but it might get you under,
and be
> simpler than having a higher stress joint way up there.
>
> Also, is this a stretched Vision? I thought it was about 8000#
based
> on the 4K displacement. If this challenge arises from having
too
> much boat, how about cutting back on the gear. So many
advantages.
> I have a backpacking rig where the whole thing is 10 pounds
not
> counting consumeables.




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How much is truly lost by motoring the IC, and building the right rig, and having it stepped wherever you reach open water? I mean realisticaly. I've never...
proaconstrictor
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Dec 6, 2003
7:41 pm

For those who don't know much about the ICW. The US east Coast is very dangerous at certain times of the year. Hurricane season and Fall- Early winter....
jjtctaylor
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Dec 7, 2003
4:24 am

I'm still not clear why you wouldn't be better off motoring the whole thing, or only stepping the mast when you have to go outside. If you plan on going up...
proaconstrictor
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Dec 7, 2003
10:21 am

Sounds like an opportunity for Rob to dust off his telescoping mast ? I dont think I have seen an report on how that project ended and what was learnt from it....
Rolf Nilsen
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Dec 8, 2003
6:46 am

I like the idea of an outboard for going to windward and hairing around when there is no wind or not enough time to put up the mast. It would have to be on a...
bradwoodbr
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Dec 8, 2003
3:10 pm

... I don't know what size outboard you guys have in mind but in my experience multihulls go faster under sail than the outboard will push them in almost any...
Dave Howorth
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Dec 8, 2003
8:23 pm

Sailboats of old used crosstrees when the rig needed to be taller than the available trees. Could the top of the rig slide down in a crosstree? Then again a...
Peter C. King
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Dec 6, 2003
9:50 pm

You haven't given any good reasons against the gunter. My idea is to have a gunter with a curved spar to give an elliptical tip. The other idea is to have a...
Robert
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Dec 6, 2003
11:37 pm

I have not been too keen on kites. Nice idea but I don't get much help from the crew. So sail management has to be pretty easy and relatively foolproof. I...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 7, 2003
3:51 am

Personally I like the idea of a soft wing sail, in fact I quite like Wharram's high gaff soft wing, or the double sided junk rig http://wingsail.neuralfuzz.com...
Robert
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Dec 7, 2003
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... like ... Did you catch this? http://www.themultihull.com/woods/ps1.htm...
proaconstrictor
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Dec 8, 2003
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Elegant simplicity. Does it have a line to the top gaff to control twist? Would the top gaff act to some extent as an end plate? Much as I like the simplicity,...
Robert
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Dec 9, 2003
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The Dynawing introducers, called powerfoils are only intended on their fixed wing dynafoils for sailboard use. They are a fixed part of the wing sail. They...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 9, 2003
2:17 am

... 50 ... Could this be overcome with slightly more clearance and graphite lubrication? They already go to 6 or 7m. They don't have to encapsulate the mast,...
Robert
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Dec 9, 2003
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For those in Australia, and lucky ones in Perth a possible source for Wing masts using the Dynarig approach is BDG Marine. See link:...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 10, 2003
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I've had a close lok at the site. The boat certainly goes well but if you look closely at the picture of the ww side of the sail, it doesn't look very smooth....
Robert
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Dec 10, 2003
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For those in Australia, and lucky ones in Perth a possible source for Wing masts using the Dynarig approach is BDG Marine. See link:...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 10, 2003
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Not sure I see the wing part on this boat. Soft wing sails are so hard to execute effectively on a sailboat, that there are no successful commercial...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 9, 2003
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I guess you could classify me as a mass lurker, I would prefer to think of myself as a patient man, more interested in construction and seeing a visonarry...
Peter MacLean
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Dec 7, 2003
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I talked with the owner, it has just 10 hours sailing. Got a 25 horse OB on it to be used as a both a launch and a sailboat. Sails nice but not enough...
jjtctaylor
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Dec 9, 2003
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G'day, Just as it got interesting (ie I was having problems sorting out how it would all work), I broke my achilles tendon, and got a sponsorship deal which...
Rob Denney
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Dec 9, 2003
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G'day, Spitfire was built, no expense spared and sailed maybe 5 times. Depending who you spoke to, it got to 30 knots in not much breeze, tacked on it's foils...
Rob Denney
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Dec 10, 2003
5:43 am

... Depending ... it's ... rig ... was sent to ... I can understand that. It would be nice and comfortable in a chop but the thought of 30-40knots in ocean...
Robert
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Dec 11, 2003
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... sitting in ... over a grand ... Is that for real. ... hydrofoils as ... dinghy) ... with a ... completely open, ... wouild ... long with ... know, they ......
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Dec 11, 2003
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G'day, No idea if the price is correct or not, but it has been sitting there for 6 months, nobody looks like sailing it this year, so maybe. Give Brett a ...
rob denney
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Dec 12, 2003
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I am starting to feel that it doesn't make much difference, though there is probably a bit of horses for courses. My suspicion that the course is probably...
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cateran1949
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Dec 14, 2003
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The differences in rig are born out of different requirements from the boats in my opinion. The only thing these boats have in common is that they all use the...
Tony Richardson
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Dec 12, 2003
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G'day, There is noy much point having a wind mast without the boom rotating independantly. It is actually easier to build than locking them together. We do...
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