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Re: Beams to windward hull

Todd,
That is the question that has been preoccupying me. My thoughts are a
4x 2 in clear tight grained oregon. I was also thinking of bolting
another 3'6" of wavepiercing bows to each end of the lee hull. That
way I could car top it
By the time I tried to work out the strength needed for the cross-
beam supports, the rudder support, the dynamic loading of a partially
stayed rig, transfer of torque from the the rudders and rig to the
crossbeams, etc. it made me appreciate the work that Rob and Mark
have done getting their boats working. When I get my 7.5m lee hull
drawn up I'll be asking Rob for comments on the engineering- for a
small fee. There is no substitute for experience as it is hard to
calculate anticipated dynamic loads at sea.
Good luck with the project,
Robert

--- In harryproa@..., "Todd" <ktsrfer@m...> wrote:
> How strong how light and of what material should the beams be
going
> to the weather hull on a 16' equal L an 8 ' beam ? I know I know
its
> only 16' but thats all the room I have and can afford. I was
thinking
> of maybe a 16 or 18'' center walkway between the hulls and two
> laminated 2x3s about two to three feet back from each bow
connecting
> the two hulls at each end. What do you think? To heavy, over kill,
or
> not strong enough?
>
> Todd




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How strong how light and of what material should the beams be going to the weather hull on a 16' equal L an 8 ' beam ? I know I know its only 16' but thats...
Todd
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Jan 13, 2004
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Todd, That is the question that has been preoccupying me. My thoughts are a 4x 2 in clear tight grained oregon. I was also thinking of bolting another 3'6" of...
Robert
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Jan 13, 2004
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Hey Robert, You see the the hollow birds mouth beams on the EQL7. That seems like a good reference point on determining how strong they should be. I'd go with...
Todd
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Jan 14, 2004
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Todd, I had a good look. Beautiful joinery but I think I 'll go for box section 6mm plywood with 1" thick oregon reinforcing of the flanges and an extra sheet...
Robert
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Jan 14, 2004
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As it is such a small boat I would suggest putting on what you think will do and have a go. Ply box section beams are strong, light and easy to build. If you...
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Jan 14, 2004
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-What is the price differential of carbon against glass, especially by the time you add the extra resin needed for the glass? Robert -- In...
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Jan 14, 2004
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G'day, There are a few variables, but basically, 400 gsm uni glass is about $15 per kg, 300 gsm carbon uni is about $150/kgand carbon tow is $30/kg, epoxy is ...
rob denney
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Jan 14, 2004
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This is my understanding of the problems of reinforcing. The glass can be too flexible to provide much support to the timber before it goes unless you really...
Robert
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Where can you find more information on building carbon mast and beams? Todd ... about $15 per ... epoxy is ... are ball ... glass, ... especially ... uni's ......
Todd
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-Todd, I went over the building of Harrigami and the pictures show the methods. The actual dimensions are another matter. The cost of carbon tow is starting to...
Robert
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Jan 19, 2004
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G'day, The reason the booms are wood cored, yet masts are solid carbon is that the beams have to be stiffer (deflect less), therefore they are a bigger ...
rob denney
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Makes sense, Hollow carbon stiffening would be a pain to produce and bucky tubes haven't yet come down in price. Thanks, Robert ... that the ... sufficient ......
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Hi!, Just building some trimaran cross beams, and want to talk about what I've found out. Apart from that I should be building a Harry proa - I found that in ...
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Jun 3, 2004
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... You wrote - You have to make a box section, nothing else is remotely comparable. I dissagree I'm no engineer but I do have a tri with round beams Rob and I...
Tony Richardson
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Horses for courses. It is hard to beat bamboo for ability to take loads and torque from all directions but if the bamboo was constrained with the load more in...
Robert
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I guess I don't know really about other things that I haven't seen, tried or heard about. I wonder what you mean by ring framed etc. I built a beam (markI), ...
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G'day Tony, I'm no certified engineer either, but what I said is right. I think you are saying that you made a hollow round section beam - for a proa? - which...
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Has anyone tried an omega shape Ω or variants of that shape for beams ? I remember the small Kendrick tri (scarab) having something similar Rgs Tony ... From:...
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Sorry Tony, Is that an upper case omega or lower case? Can you give a more detailed description? Robert -- In harryproa@..., "Tony Richardson" ...
Robert
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I'm not sure if upper or lower case but I tried to paste it as a symbol into the email and by the looks of it it didn't work. The symbol looks like a 0 with...
Tony Richardson
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As in measure of electric resistance in ohms sort of shape? I wonder if that may influence the effect that the glass I beleive has of being weak in...
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Tony, Idiosyncrsies of our medium of communication. That's the upper case omega- as used in electronics to denote resistance. The lowercase looks like a...
Robert
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Robert Don,t worry about the math because I think Ray is an engineer and may have done it already. I thought they might be weak torsionally but because there...
Tony Richardson
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Thanks Robert. Yes a lot of time, effort and experience goes into each part of the design and we contract the services of a very good composite engineer with a...
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Mark, Is the Elementarry building method similar to the Farrier vertical foam stripping building method? (http://www.f-boat.com/pages/construction/index.html) ...
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MessageNo, Ian uses form frames and glasses one side only which then requires the outside surface to be fully faired after glassing. We will be making a female...
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Hi DOug The reason is I didn't want seastays They cause lots of drag when underwater, add weight, cost of fittings etc, take more time to initially fit up,...
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To Tony, I've forgotten which reply I was making to you, but I remember talking about anything hollow meaning a box as opposed to something solid. I really...
Doug Haines
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Jun 14, 2004
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Doug, The latest design of the Harry beams based on four carbon rods on the corners gives plenty of stiffness for the driving hull effect (See Marks comments)....
Robert
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Gidday Doug We were talking about sections of beams Just a question but isn't a triangle section beam the lightest possible construction design type? I like...
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