G´day,

Blind Date was launched last month in front of 100 people, one of
whom was the local mayor who conferred on Jan the Dutch equivalent
of a knighthood.  Not for being smart enough to own the first
Visionarry afloat, but for 40 years of helping blind people sail.

The owner, builder, design team and virtually everyone who has seen
the boat agree it looks stunning.  So much better looking down on a
floating boat than up at one in the shed.

The most gratifying thing for me was the weight, since confirmed by
a second set of scales.  1,700 kgs/3,740 lbs.  The rig and rudders
will take it to 2 tonnes/tons.  As far as I know, there is not
another sailing boat in the world boasting 2 queen size beds, full
headroom and a covered cockpit for 8 people which weighs as little.
Add in a 50´/15m waterline and the fact that it is mostly cedar,
glass and plywood and Jan and Rudolph have achieved a remarkable
craft.

Almost as remarkable was Blind Date´s appearance on
www.sailinganarchy.com apparently the world´s most read sailing web
page.  The remarkable thing was not that it appeared so much as it
was entirely without prompting on our part.  I suspect this is near
unique in the boating media.

I hope to be kiting on Blind Date next week.  I should have some
more pictures and impressions then.

Youri and Miriam, the builders of the production Elementarry in
Belgium have rightly decided that a perfect mould is more important
than sailing a less than perfect prototype, so the first boat will
not be sailing till later this summer.  The plugs are flawless, and
we have come up with a slew of ideas for making construction
lighter, faster and cheaper.  The 100 kg/220 lb proa which can go
from trailer to sailing in 10 minutes is closer than ever.

The Visionarry we have been building in Coffs Harbour is scheduled
for launching next week.  It has to go over some high trees, then
down a narrow, shallow, unmarked channel through a breaking bar,
which should add a touch of spice to the occasion.

Pictures of all the above and more details will be in the next web
update.

Regards,

Rob

G'day,

Elementarry 1 is in my garage in Perth after a 4,500 km drive across
from Coffs Harbour.  I am in Europe but will be back in mid July.
Happy to take you for a sail then and discuss options.  Send your ph
number to proa@... and I will call you when we get back.

I have none of my stuff here so cannot tell you a kit price, but
there is not much to the boat so it should not be much.  Doing a
couple is an excellent idea, although I am not sure of the Perth
market yet.  Should be reasonable though as there is no better
better small sailing boat for the coffee run across to Rotto.

My boat does not have an outboard but one could be fitted pretty
easily.  I have an idea for using the rudder as a propulsion unit,
which we could also discuss.

Brief report from Europe:  Blind Date looks gorgeous in the flesh,
and weighs 1,700 kgs/1.7 tons without rig and rudders.  2 tons in
sailing trim is not bad for a cedar/glass 15m/50'ter with 2
queensize bunks, toilet, galley, sheltered cockpit and full
headroom.   I was one very happy (and more than a little bit
relieved) designer when I saw it floating. Full credit to Mark for
taking an idea and making it look superb.

Youri and Myriam are progressing well with the production
Elementarry.  The components are built, the hull moulds nearly so.
There were a few holdups with the plugs which were cut on a 5 axis
milling machine.  What a fantastic bit of gear!  Unfortunately these
were the first big jobs they have done, and there were a few
teething troubles.  Youri is a perfectionist, so getting the plugs
ready for moulding was never going to be quick.  I am back there
next week, hopefully racing in Switzerland in mid June.  I checked
out Texel and they could easily have carried out there threat to ban
us from the beaches, so we decide to do the Bol d'Or with all the
monster cats, French multihull legends and Americas Cup crews.
Should be fun.

More next time I get to a computer.

regards,

Rob--- In harryproa@..., "doha720" <doha720@y...>
wrote:
> Dear, Rob,
>
> Interested in seeing the real thing in action.
> Any craft going out from Perth?
> Also - how much estimate on an Elementariy kit supplied, or cost
of
> materials needed if bought myself, minus stuff like sails and pop
> top. This is for the camper model. Notice plans are $1000.
> I was considering doing a couple and selling one or both sort of a
> part time job and see if I could make a big one with the profits.
Is
> this a good idea?
> Is the plan to include an outboard?
> By the way, just starting to get the Trimaran you were looking at
a
> while ago of mine sailing. Moored near EFYC.
> Could show a photo if I could attach it.
>
> Doug HAines

Mark,
here is a copy of the email in question, and the site for the glue
Robert

--- In harryproa@..., sigurd grung <nosupersnail@y...>
wrote:
> Thanks Mark. Took me a while to understand how your
> bearing system works: when extended, the bearings on
> the female and male are on top of each other so there
> is no clearance.
>
> I was going to suggest building up small ramps with
> epoxy, on both sides of the plastic band.
>
> If you have rounded insides of the beams you can
> compression-fit the bands in these grooves inside the
> female.
> You might also be able to weld the strips together, in
> a groove around the male beam.
>
> But it appears that there are glues that sticks to
> UHMW:
> http://www.garlandmfg.com/plastics/bonding.html
> PSA backed UHMW strips:
> http://www.garlandmfg.com/plastics/pstape.html
>
> here is a forum page with a discussion of the subject:
> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/Forum1/HTML/009217.html
> Here is a page with lots of slippery tape, teflon and
> UHMW amongst others:
> http://www.cshyde.com/tapecat.htm
>
> Sigurd
>
> >Hi Sigurd,
>
> Both the male and female beams have a band of epoxy
> glue at the ends and 400mm from the ends, the bearing
> thickness being half the clearance. This way when the
> bearings are not aligned there is plenty of clearance
> for telescoping. This is important if you want an easy
> telescoping boat.
>
> Yes I did consider plastic bearings but plastic
> bearings of half the thickness of the clearance (like
> the epoxy bearings) become too thin to screw onto the
> beams and I don't know of any glue that sticks to
> UHMW-PE (though there may be). If you use plastic
> bearings of full thickness on the ends only you lose
> the telescoping clearance with the added problem of
> the bearings preventing the beams from coming fully
> apart (and assembly impossible).
>
> The epoxy bearings worked well and are easy to make. I
> only used bearing pads on the bottom angled faces and
> not on the top.  As it turned out they don't need to
> be tight when the beams are extended. We tried sailing
> the boat at folded width which meant the bearings
> weren't aligned and despite plenty of clearance the
> beams didn't rattle around at all, even in rough
> water.
>
> I agree plastic bearings would be a good solution if a
> way to fix them could be found.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
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From: sigurd grung

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:17 PM

Subject: [harryproa] Telescoping slippery surface

Mark wrote

>The male and female beams will have a couple of bands
of built up resin/graphite applied where they overlap
when extended. This will give plenty of clearance when
telescoping to prevent jamming.

Do you mean a narrow band at the very end of each part
of the beam?

Is this as good as UHMW plastic? I imagine uhmw to
have a bit less friction, wear less on the beams
(since it is softer?), be less durable, easier to
change when worn out. Less chance of jamming since it
probably has less compression stiffness than epoxy and
will also be worn down easier where there is humps.

What do you think, did you consider it, and what were
the reasons for using graphite/epoxy instead?

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Visionarry lives up to its name and Elementary #1 looks like too
much fun,
Robert

Thanks Mark. Took me a while to understand how your
bearing system works: when extended, the bearings on
the female and male are on top of each other so there
is no clearance.

I was going to suggest building up small ramps with
epoxy, on both sides of the plastic band.

If you have rounded insides of the beams you can
compression-fit the bands in these grooves inside the
female.
You might also be able to weld the strips together, in
a groove around the male beam.

But it appears that there are glues that sticks to
UHMW:
http://www.garlandmfg.com/plastics/bonding.html
PSA backed UHMW strips:
http://www.garlandmfg.com/plastics/pstape.html

here is a forum page with a discussion of the subject:
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/Forum1/HTML/009217.html
Here is a page with lots of slippery tape, teflon and
UHMW amongst others:
http://www.cshyde.com/tapecat.htm

Sigurd

>Hi Sigurd,

Both the male and female beams have a band of epoxy
glue at the ends and 400mm from the ends, the bearing
thickness being half the clearance. This way when the
bearings are not aligned there is plenty of clearance
for telescoping. This is important if you want an easy
telescoping boat.

Yes I did consider plastic bearings but plastic
bearings of half the thickness of the clearance (like
the epoxy bearings) become too thin to screw onto the
beams and I don't know of any glue that sticks to
UHMW-PE (though there may be). If you use plastic
bearings of full thickness on the ends only you lose
the telescoping clearance with the added problem of
the bearings preventing the beams from coming fully
apart (and assembly impossible).

The epoxy bearings worked well and are easy to make. I
only used bearing pads on the bottom angled faces and
not on the top.  As it turned out they don't need to
be tight when the beams are extended. We tried sailing
the boat at folded width which meant the bearings
weren't aligned and despite plenty of clearance the
beams didn't rattle around at all, even in rough
water.

I agree plastic bearings would be a good solution if a
way to fix them could be found.

Cheers,
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----- Original Message -----

From: sigurd grung

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:17 PM

Subject: [harryproa] Telescoping slippery surface

Mark wrote

>The male and female beams will have a couple of bands
of built up resin/graphite applied where they overlap
when extended. This will give plenty of clearance when
telescoping to prevent jamming.

Do you mean a narrow band at the very end of each part
of the beam?

Is this as good as UHMW plastic? I imagine uhmw to
have a bit less friction, wear less on the beams
(since it is softer?), be less durable, easier to
change when worn out. Less chance of jamming since it
probably has less compression stiffness than epoxy and
will also be worn down easier where there is humps.

What do you think, did you consider it, and what were
the reasons for using graphite/epoxy instead?

Sigurd


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Mark wrote

>The male and female beams will have a couple of bands
of built up resin/graphite applied where they overlap
when extended. This will give plenty of clearance when
telescoping to prevent jamming.

Do you mean a narrow band at the very end of each part
of the beam?

Is this as good as UHMW plastic? I imagine uhmw to
have a bit less friction, wear less on the beams
(since it is softer?), be less durable, easier to
change when worn out. Less chance of jamming since it
probably has less compression stiffness than epoxy and
will also be worn down easier where there is humps.

What do you think, did you consider it, and what were
the reasons for using graphite/epoxy instead?

Sigurd




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Mark wrote

>The male and female beams will have a couple of bands
of built up resin/graphite applied where they overlap
when extended. This will give plenty of clearance when
telescoping to prevent jamming.

Do you mean a narrow band at the very end of each part
of the beam?

Is this as good as UHMW plastic? I imagine uhmw to
have a bit less friction, wear less on the beams
(since it is softer?), be less durable, easier to
change when worn out. Less chance of jamming since it
probably has less compression stiffness than epoxy and
will also be worn down easier where there is humps.

What do you think, did you consider it, and what were
the reasons for using graphite/epoxy instead?

Sigurd


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Dear, Rob,

Interested in seeing the real thing in action.
Any craft going out from Perth?
Also - how much estimate on an Elementariy kit supplied, or cost of
materials needed if bought myself, minus stuff like sails and pop
top. This is for the camper model. Notice plans are $1000.
I was considering doing a couple and selling one or both sort of a
part time job and see if I could make a big one with the profits. Is
this a good idea?
Is the plan to include an outboard?
By the way, just starting to get the Trimaran you were looking at a
while ago of mine sailing. Moored near EFYC.
Could show a photo if I could attach it.

Doug HAines

Last I heard from them was a couple of weeks ago when Raul wrote:

'My Arripiado hulls are full of dust now, but I hope to get rid of 3 cats in 60 days and then continue building Arripiado.

Now I need to put those first 3 cats in the water'

Meanwhile Rob is in Belgium helping Youri Aendenboom and Myriam Wouter of Wangka bvba ( http://www.wangka.be ) to get their first Elementarry built. He will be campaigning the boat in various European races throughout the northern summer. Harryproa P/L airfreighted two masts and sails to Belgium to speed up the building as their is not much time left before the first races begin. Youri and Myriam are intending to produce the Elementarry in moulds for the European market.

Cheers,

Mark

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [harryproa] arripiado status?

Any news on the progress on the Arripiado being built in Brazil?

Charlie





 
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Congratulations,
  Beautiful boat,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
> All of us at Harryproa would like to congratulate Jan and Rudolf on
the launching of Blind Date, the worlds first Visionarry to hit the
water. Judging by the photos they have done a splendid job. Blind
Date only needs some steering details, motor mount and the rig to be
built before it can be used for it's intended purpose, taking blind
people sailing.
> Go to http://www.zeilenmetvisie.nl/gebeurtenis3.html for some
photos. More will be posted on our website soon.
>
> Regards,
> Mark

Hi Charlie

By the moment, we have stopped, due to excess of work with several cats
of a new model that are on the last 100 meters.
But hope to put those boats on the water in the next 60 days, for to
continue with the building of first Arripiado that will be my boat.
Next month will start building a carbon mast for one of those cats for
to later be able to build Arripiado masts
At this stage the 2 halves of both hulls are done and will continue with
bulkheads soon, hopefully this month may.
Will let you know as soon as I have news.

Regards

Raul
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Subject: arripiado status?

Any news on the progress on the Arripiado being built in Brazil?

Charlie

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Any news on the progress on the Arripiado being built in Brazil?

Charlie

reading up chronologically on the list, I wonder what
is the shape of the envisioned "dish ama"? Like a
satellite dish? Assuming it is supposed to skim the
wavetops, it would likely have a transverse "kink" at
the bottom, so the water would not be sucked up along
the aft portion of the dish?



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Hello all, took me a couple years to find this group
even though I been off and on the proa_file for a long
time.

Cheers Rob, Looks like you are having fun with the
little elementarry. Since I am itching to make a
similar sized kite proa, I wondered what foam
thickness and density, and what sort of carbon layup
you used for the hulls.

No boat playing this winter for me, but I been having
lots of fun kiting with skis.

Are you still coming to faerder'n? If I am to join you
I would have to try and get some days off work.

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Got my head around the rudders. Nice. This system should eliminate
the need for raking the foils but still allowing it if it seems
appropriate. I can see why the initial ones broke. There is a high
ratio of moments, but probably not  more than 50% more than on a
Hobie 16 rudder system.
Good one,
Robert



--- In harryproa@..., "Rob Denney" <proa@i...> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Following is in reply to a question from Robert about the new
rudders.  Attempts to reply to his email address have failed.
>
>
> G'day,
> Should be some pictures on the next web update.  Version one broke,
version
> 2 is being built by the Belgians.
>
> They steer the boat well, according to Mark who was test pilot.  Not
> surprising, as the hull mounted ones are more than adequate, and I
reckon I
> could steer with the sails alone if required.
>
> Loads on shafts are higher, but these are easy to beef up.  Loads on
> bearings are also higher (only 300mm apart), but again, easy to
beef up, and
> because it is all on the beam, the additional laminate is not much
more
> area, so weight stays low.  Far less likely to get damaged than the
hanging
> off the side variety.  Mark 1 was removable, mk 2 will be fixed to
the beam,
> making strength less of an issue.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob

In the proa files the concept has been taken up and drawn by Jerry
(Southern Outrigger Shutamaran in files3). I still think it should be
based on an Elementarry configuration with ruders and rig and and
Ihave reservations about cabin height and subsequent windage but he
has done some lovely drawing of the concept. He also points out that
if the starting point was the monocoque rather than an addo on cabin
it should be lighter.
Robert

--- In harryproa@..., proa@i... wrote:
> G'day,

>
> Thanks for the bed offer.  We are in a hurry, so doubt we will take
you up on
> it, but please let me know your phone number, just in case.

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> >

G'day,

Sounds like putting a good spin on an edict from the missus!   Not sure we
will get to go sailing anyway, as the sailmaker still has the sails, and the
things I had planned for the week are nor jammed into 3 days.

Thanks for the bed offer.  We are in a hurry, so doubt we will take you up on
it, but please let me know your phone number, just in case.

Regards,

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  On discussion with Carole,
  The sooner I finish the en-suite, the sooner I can start building a
Harry. I'll keep working on the bathroom instead of taking the time
off

Possibly you can have a pit stop in Canberra on the way over. There
are a couple of beds available if you need them.
Robert

> It is very difficult to actualy compare them, maybe weight would be
a
> sound basis.

Agreed. Still think weight distribution and overal weight due to low
rigginging loads has it for the Harry


  Gougeons proposed an Ostar boat at one point that had a
> very long main hull, and a low rig, like some of the proposed harry
> designs.  It had a similar low resistance approach to speed.  On
the
> other extreme, a tri vs a Harry where the spar is 50% higher than
the
> LOL, and the tri has an ama shifted forward. I'm not sure we have a
> winner in the proa.
>



>
> Cool to hear about your Jarcat.  A similar boat, with a somewhat
more
> refined look (hard to tell not sure one has been built)  Is the
> Kendrick 6.5.  Same easy launching if the spar is kept reasonable.

Love the Kendrick designs. could possibly go that way if not for the
harry concept.

Different tack- actually about gybing.I am not sure why the Harry
needs to tack down wind once the kite is sorted out as the kite can
increase the swept area. This should reduce that one aspect where the
proa is at a disadvantage.

Robert

--- In harryproa@..., "Robert" <cateran1949@y...>
wrote:
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "dominiquebovey"
> <dominiquebovey@y...> wrote:
>
> snip
> Therre seems to be plenty of reserve bouyancy forward. This
> configuration has to be better than a trimaran as the lw hull is
> considerably longer--I remember early criticism of the Harry
concept

It is very difficult to actualy compare them, maybe weight would be a
sound basis.  Gougeons proposed an Ostar boat at one point that had a
very long main hull, and a low rig, like some of the proposed harry
designs.  It had a similar low resistance approach to speed.  On the
other extreme, a tri vs a Harry where the spar is 50% higher than the
LOL, and the tri has an ama shifted forward. I'm not sure we have a
winner in the proa.


Cool to hear about your Jarcat.  A similar boat, with a somewhat more
refined look (hard to tell not sure one has been built)  Is the
Kendrick 6.5.  Same easy launching if the spar is kept reasonable.

--- In harryproa@..., "Rob Denney" <proa@i...> wrote:
Thanks Rob and Mark,
Looking forward to seeing Bain's Harry and the Visionarry sailing.
May be able to talk Carole into going up for a sail.
Rob,
Will contact you as soon as I organise with Carole. One bathrooms's
refurbished and we're waiting on bits for the second so there is a
slight window to get away.

Let us know when the Guiness interview goes to air.

regards
Robert

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From: Rob Denney [mailto:proa@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 6:10
To: harryproa@...
Subject: Re: [harryproa] Elementarry cruiser

G'day,

Please don't feel any pressure on my part for the weight analysis. I
don't plan on building this in the foreseeable future as my next boat
build will be a Harry and we can micro cruise on the Jarcat
meanwhile, but I thought I'd share my satisfaction with aspects of
the Jarcat and how it could be melded to a Harryproa.
If I wanted a microcruiser from scratch, or if I wasn't almost ready
for a Harry, I would probably go this route.

 

No pressure.  Almost a pity you aren't doing it, would be interesting to see the result.

Good luck with the Elementarry. Its a long haul to the West coast A
bit sad for the crew at Urunga that you're taking their toy away.
When and where will you be in Sydney as I may be able to get away for
a day during the weeek? 0485438515 should get me.
Robert

 

Should be another one at Urunga before long.  I am in Deewhy in Sydney.  Sunday kiting on XL2 on Pittwater, should have El there as well, Monday taking the sailmaker for a sail at St Georges yc near Cronulla, Wednesday TV interview for Guiness Book of Records show, Thursday pm taking the Dingbat guys for a sail, Friday kiting with Sailors with Disabilities and Pacific Sailing School, Saturday kiting with Voodoo Spirit.  Saturday afternoon driving home.  Call me on 0415317528 if any of these are suitable.  Wind less than 10 knots means no kiting, so maybe we will get some El sailing in during the mornings.  Katy desperate to sail under the harbour bridge so got to fit this in somewhere as well.

 

Regards,

 

Rob