Hi All,

I have been researching multi designs to build for a while now (Wharram, Woods,
Kellsell,
Shuttleworth & Farrier) and really like the Harryproa concept. It just seems to
me that there
is not much space in them for their size. So I have a few questions regarding
their design.

Why does the accommodation hull need to be so narrow down low? Could a Harryproa
be
built with an accommodation hull like the centre of a trimaran, or at least more
flared.
There would be little more wetted area, but bouyancy would be improved as would
living
area inside. Is it because of slamming or wake interference between the two
hulls?

The bridgedeck area from what I have read is not of standing head room height.
Could the
height of the mast boom be raised to allow for more height in the bridge deck or
would
this adversely affect windage and or righting moment?

Could the lee hull be flared more at the top to provide more useable bunk space
when
visitors are aboard or for crew if the boat were put to charter work?

Sorry if these have been canvassed before, it's just I couldn't find the info.

Love the designs, just love the simplicity, keep up the good work.

G'day,

 

They sure do.  By the way, I am sailing Elementarry most weekends if you would like to come for a sail.

 

Regards,

 

Rob

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From: Doug Haines

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [harryproa] Another practical difference

doha720 <doha720@...> wrote:

Ho!
Yeah, I was just thinking that along with the good things about HP's
is the absence of a mast support pole in the cabin where you usually
have to walk around in a lot of boats. Centre boards the same. Those
little things help to make things better.

Doug

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To: harryproa@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [harryproa] Another practical difference

doha720 <doha720@...> wrote:

Ho!
Yeah, I was just thinking that along with the good things about HP's
is the absence of a mast support pole in the cabin where you usually
have to walk around in a lot of boats. Centre boards the same. Those
little things help to make things better.

Doug

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From: yaendenboom

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:45 PM

Subject: [harryproa] elementarry

Rob,



If shunting needs less rudder action than tacking, then it would
make sense to experiment

with laminar flow rudder blades (eg. NACA 66-012) instead of
turbulent rudder blades (NACA 0012), wouldn´t it ?

We are still working on the wing mast.



Best regards,



Myriam & Youri

Wangka bvba

Belgium

Rob,



If shunting needs less rudder action than tacking, then it would
make sense to experiment

with laminar flow rudder blades (eg. NACA 66-012) instead of
turbulent rudder blades (NACA 0012), wouldn´t it ?

We are still working on the wing mast.



Best regards,



Myriam & Youri

Wangka bvba

Belgium

Hi Robert,

Bain has painted his proa on the outside (same colour as Johnnies, off
whitish tone called 'Lillium')  and is now fitting out the interior ready
for painting. The steering set up is being put together, etc.etc.
We all continue to wait....

cheers, michele


----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <cateran1949@...>
To: <harryproa@...>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:44 PM
Subject: [harryproa] Launching Harrys


> I reckon it is about time that Bain cleaned out his workshop again so
> we can get some updates of his Harry'
>
> Hope the floods weren't too much of a problem
>
> Robert
>
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I reckon it is about time that Bain cleaned out his workshop again so
we can get some updates of his Harry'

Hope the floods weren't too much of a problem

Robert

Visionarrys launched...
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!

If I only were there...

Congratulations

Terho


--- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
> The Visionarry was launched sucessfully yesterday morning.
Weighing in at 2.55 tonne (ww-1420kg, lw- 1130kg), it had a
precarious ride over the trees (at one stage becoming entangled),
settling nicely in the river to much applause from the relieved
crowd of onlookers. Johnny (the owner), Michele and I were elated,
she looks beautiful. Most men have commented how she looks like a
spaceship while women saw her more as a beautiful swan.
>
> She is now anchored behind the building shed awaiting her mast.
The plan is to build the mast and boom, crane them onto the deck,
then motor down the very narrow channel under two low bridges and
step the mast the other side. She will then be motored out to sea
over the very shallow Kalang River bar.
>
> The website will be updated soon once we have gathered some photos.
>
> Regards,
> Mark

Thanks Michelle,
It looks good for the Harry I have in mind to go under the tonne with
all the bells and whistles,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "michele balharry"
<michele@o...> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Thank you for your good wishes.
>
> About the difference in launch weights;
>
> "Blind Date" is the original Visionarry design (1.7 tonnes) that
will be
> used primarily for day sailing with visually impaired sailors. She
has
> slight rocker in the windward hull, a covered open cockpit seating
six, and
> no outboard motors when originally launched.
>
> The Australian Visionarry (2.55 tonnes) has no rocker in the
windward hull
> for added buoyancy to support extra live aboard/cruising weight;
this also
> creates standing headroom in the head/shower. There is a fully
enclosed
> saloon with seating for eight, a table and navigation station; a
covered
> cockpit around the helm; slightly larger cabins; additional hard
decking
> including the dingy ramp; two Honda 15HP four stroke outboards,
deck boxes,
> two anchors and chains, and Johnnies sound system.
>
> At this stage the difference in weights is approximately .850
tonnes.
> All in all we are very happy with these figures.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Michele
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert" <cateran1949@y...>
> To: <harryproa@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [harryproa]Second Visionarry launched
>
>
> > Congratulations,
> > looks outstandingly beautiful,
> > Curious about the differene in weight between the two boats,
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens"
<stephens@o...>
> > wrote:
> > > The Visionarry was launched sucessfully yesterday morning.
Weighing
> > in at 2.55 tonne (ww-1420kg, lw- 1130kg), it had a precarious ride
> > over the trees (at one stage becoming entangled), settling nicely
in
> > the river to much applause from the relieved crowd of onlookers.
> > Johnny (the owner), Michele and I were elated, she looks
beautiful.
> > Most men have commented how she looks like a spaceship while women
> > saw her more as a beautiful swan.
> > >
> > > She is now anchored behind the building shed awaiting her mast.
The
> > plan is to build the mast and boom, crane them onto the deck, then
> > motor down the very narrow channel under two low bridges and step
the
> > mast the other side. She will then be motored out to sea over the
> > very shallow Kalang River bar.
> > >
> > > The website will be updated soon once we have gathered some
photos.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Great boat!!!!!!!!!

I need one, I want one, I need one I want one.......

I better make some money first.

Greetings

Toni Tutusaus
Barcelona

I've seen John's sound system, it probably accounts for most of the weight
difference! He'll also need a big generator....congratulations John, she looks
great.
Cheers,Luke

Ho!
Yeah, I was just thinking that along with the good things about HP's
is the absence of a mast support pole in the cabin where you usually
have to walk around in a lot of boats. Centre boards the same. Those
little things help to make things better.

Doug

The new Visionarry is beautiful! Congratulations to all.

Hoping to one day own one of my own.

Charlie

Hi Robert,

Thank you for your good wishes.

About the difference in launch weights;

"Blind Date" is the original Visionarry design (1.7 tonnes) that will be
used primarily for day sailing with visually impaired sailors. She has
slight rocker in the windward hull, a covered open cockpit seating six, and
no outboard motors when originally launched.

The Australian Visionarry (2.55 tonnes) has no rocker in the windward hull
for added buoyancy to support extra live aboard/cruising weight; this also
creates standing headroom in the head/shower. There is a fully enclosed
saloon with seating for eight, a table and navigation station; a covered
cockpit around the helm; slightly larger cabins; additional hard decking
including the dingy ramp; two Honda 15HP four stroke outboards, deck boxes,
two anchors and chains, and Johnnies sound system.

At this stage the difference in weights is approximately .850 tonnes.
All in all we are very happy with these figures.

Warm regards,

Michele



----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert" <cateran1949@...>
To: <harryproa@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [harryproa]Second Visionarry launched


> Congratulations,
> looks outstandingly beautiful,
> Curious about the differene in weight between the two boats,
> Robert
>
>
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
> wrote:
> > The Visionarry was launched sucessfully yesterday morning. Weighing
> in at 2.55 tonne (ww-1420kg, lw- 1130kg), it had a precarious ride
> over the trees (at one stage becoming entangled), settling nicely in
> the river to much applause from the relieved crowd of onlookers.
> Johnny (the owner), Michele and I were elated, she looks beautiful.
> Most men have commented how she looks like a spaceship while women
> saw her more as a beautiful swan.
> >
> > She is now anchored behind the building shed awaiting her mast. The
> plan is to build the mast and boom, crane them onto the deck, then
> motor down the very narrow channel under two low bridges and step the
> mast the other side. She will then be motored out to sea over the
> very shallow Kalang River bar.
> >
> > The website will be updated soon once we have gathered some photos.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Congratulations,
looks outstandingly beautiful,
Curious about the differene in weight between the two boats,
Robert



--- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
> The Visionarry was launched sucessfully yesterday morning. Weighing
in at 2.55 tonne (ww-1420kg, lw- 1130kg), it had a precarious ride
over the trees (at one stage becoming entangled), settling nicely in
the river to much applause from the relieved crowd of onlookers.
Johnny (the owner), Michele and I were elated, she looks beautiful.
Most men have commented how she looks like a spaceship while women
saw her more as a beautiful swan.
>
> She is now anchored behind the building shed awaiting her mast. The
plan is to build the mast and boom, crane them onto the deck, then
motor down the very narrow channel under two low bridges and step the
mast the other side. She will then be motored out to sea over the
very shallow Kalang River bar.
>
> The website will be updated soon once we have gathered some photos.
>
> Regards,
> Mark

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Stephens

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:35 AM

Subject: Re: [harryproa]Second Visionarry launched

The Visionarry was launched sucessfully yesterday morning. Weighing in at 2.55 tonne (ww-1420kg, lw- 1130kg), it had a precarious ride over the trees (at one stage becoming entangled), settling nicely in the river to much applause from the relieved crowd of onlookers. Johnny (the owner), Michele and I were elated, she looks beautiful. Most men have commented how she looks like a spaceship while women saw her more as a beautiful swan.

 

She is now anchored behind the building shed awaiting her mast. The plan is to build the mast and boom, crane them onto the deck, then motor down the very narrow channel under two low bridges and step the mast the other side. She will then be motored out to sea over the very shallow Kalang River bar.

 

The website will be updated soon once we have gathered some photos.

 

Regards,

Mark

Hello all - Thats a wild lift,have you recovered yet. Looks great!
Good on yah. How long will the Vis be about so we know when to have a
look by. Been refreshing - all loaded fine tonight. Keep on - Darrell

From: darrellpriest

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:12 PM

Subject: [harryproa] Re: last report/blind date

Thanks Michele - Still can't get it to load but all other reports do.
It may well be our com(agro inducing)puter! Hope the Vis got down the
creek O.K. - Darrell




 
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Thanks Michele - Still can't get it to load but all other reports do.
It may well be our com(agro inducing)puter! Hope the Vis got down the
creek O.K. - Darrell

Hello Darrell,

The latest report is loading again as I type - also awaiting a reply from
the ISP for an explanation.
Should take about 15 minutes or so.

Another update very soon with the Visionarry being launched in Urunga 9:00am
tomorrow!!

Cheers, Michele




----- Original Message -----
From: "darrellpriest" <darrell.priest@...>
To: <harryproa@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: [harryproa] last report/blind date


> Hello Rob/Mark/Michele - ?
> Latest reports don't want to load - comes up 404, not found any clues?
> Darrell
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hello Rob/Mark/Michele - ?
Latest reports don't want to load - comes up 404, not found any clues?
Darrell

Apologies for repeating much of what I said last week.  Too much
going on, a three year old clambering all over me and someone else´s
computer meant it went to the wrong place.

Regards,

Rob

--- In harryproa@..., "proaharry" <proa@i...> wrote:
> G´day,
>
> Blind Date was launched last month in front of 100 people, one of
> whom was the local mayor who conferred on Jan the Dutch equivalent
> of a knighthood.  Not for being smart enough to own the first
> Visionarry afloat, but for 40 years of helping blind people sail.
>
> The owner, builder, design team and virtually everyone who has
seen
> the boat agree it looks stunning.  So much better looking down on
a
> floating boat than up at one in the shed.
>
> The most gratifying thing for me was the weight, since confirmed
by
> a second set of scales.  1,700 kgs/3,740 lbs.  The rig and rudders
> will take it to 2 tonnes/tons.  As far as I know, there is not
> another sailing boat in the world boasting 2 queen size beds, full
> headroom and a covered cockpit for 8 people which weighs as
little.
> Add in a 50´/15m waterline and the fact that it is mostly cedar,
> glass and plywood and Jan and Rudolph have achieved a remarkable
> craft.
>
> Almost as remarkable was Blind Date´s appearance on
> www.sailinganarchy.com apparently the world´s most read sailing
web
> page.  The remarkable thing was not that it appeared so much as it
> was entirely without prompting on our part.  I suspect this is
near
> unique in the boating media.
>
> I hope to be kiting on Blind Date next week.  I should have some
> more pictures and impressions then.
>
> Youri and Miriam, the builders of the production Elementarry in
> Belgium have rightly decided that a perfect mould is more
important
> than sailing a less than perfect prototype, so the first boat will
> not be sailing till later this summer.  The plugs are flawless,
and
> we have come up with a slew of ideas for making construction
> lighter, faster and cheaper.  The 100 kg/220 lb proa which can go
> from trailer to sailing in 10 minutes is closer than ever.
>
> The Visionarry we have been building in Coffs Harbour is scheduled
> for launching next week.  It has to go over some high trees, then
> down a narrow, shallow, unmarked channel through a breaking bar,
> which should add a touch of spice to the occasion.
>
> Pictures of all the above and more details will be in the next web
> update.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob

G´day,

Blind Date was launched last month in front of 100 people, one of
whom was the local mayor who conferred on Jan the Dutch equivalent
of a knighthood.  Not for being smart enough to own the first
Visionarry afloat, but for 40 years of helping blind people sail.

The owner, builder, design team and virtually everyone who has seen
the boat agree it looks stunning.  So much better looking down on a
floating boat than up at one in the shed.

The most gratifying thing for me was the weight, since confirmed by
a second set of scales.  1,700 kgs/3,740 lbs.  The rig and rudders
will take it to 2 tonnes/tons.  As far as I know, there is not
another sailing boat in the world boasting 2 queen size beds, full
headroom and a covered cockpit for 8 people which weighs as little.
Add in a 50´/15m waterline and the fact that it is mostly cedar,
glass and plywood and Jan and Rudolph have achieved a remarkable
craft.

Almost as remarkable was Blind Date´s appearance on
www.sailinganarchy.com apparently the world´s most read sailing web
page.  The remarkable thing was not that it appeared so much as it
was entirely without prompting on our part.  I suspect this is near
unique in the boating media.

I hope to be kiting on Blind Date next week.  I should have some
more pictures and impressions then.

Youri and Miriam, the builders of the production Elementarry in
Belgium have rightly decided that a perfect mould is more important
than sailing a less than perfect prototype, so the first boat will
not be sailing till later this summer.  The plugs are flawless, and
we have come up with a slew of ideas for making construction
lighter, faster and cheaper.  The 100 kg/220 lb proa which can go
from trailer to sailing in 10 minutes is closer than ever.

The Visionarry we have been building in Coffs Harbour is scheduled
for launching next week.  It has to go over some high trees, then
down a narrow, shallow, unmarked channel through a breaking bar,
which should add a touch of spice to the occasion.

Pictures of all the above and more details will be in the next web
update.

Regards,

Rob

G'day,

Elementarry 1 is in my garage in Perth after a 4,500 km drive across
from Coffs Harbour.  I am in Europe but will be back in mid July.
Happy to take you for a sail then and discuss options.  Send your ph
number to proa@... and I will call you when we get back.

I have none of my stuff here so cannot tell you a kit price, but
there is not much to the boat so it should not be much.  Doing a
couple is an excellent idea, although I am not sure of the Perth
market yet.  Should be reasonable though as there is no better
better small sailing boat for the coffee run across to Rotto.

My boat does not have an outboard but one could be fitted pretty
easily.  I have an idea for using the rudder as a propulsion unit,
which we could also discuss.

Brief report from Europe:  Blind Date looks gorgeous in the flesh,
and weighs 1,700 kgs/1.7 tons without rig and rudders.  2 tons in
sailing trim is not bad for a cedar/glass 15m/50'ter with 2
queensize bunks, toilet, galley, sheltered cockpit and full
headroom.   I was one very happy (and more than a little bit
relieved) designer when I saw it floating. Full credit to Mark for
taking an idea and making it look superb.

Youri and Myriam are progressing well with the production
Elementarry.  The components are built, the hull moulds nearly so.
There were a few holdups with the plugs which were cut on a 5 axis
milling machine.  What a fantastic bit of gear!  Unfortunately these
were the first big jobs they have done, and there were a few
teething troubles.  Youri is a perfectionist, so getting the plugs
ready for moulding was never going to be quick.  I am back there
next week, hopefully racing in Switzerland in mid June.  I checked
out Texel and they could easily have carried out there threat to ban
us from the beaches, so we decide to do the Bol d'Or with all the
monster cats, French multihull legends and Americas Cup crews.
Should be fun.

More next time I get to a computer.

regards,

Rob--- In harryproa@..., "doha720" <doha720@y...>
wrote:
> Dear, Rob,
>
> Interested in seeing the real thing in action.
> Any craft going out from Perth?
> Also - how much estimate on an Elementariy kit supplied, or cost
of
> materials needed if bought myself, minus stuff like sails and pop
> top. This is for the camper model. Notice plans are $1000.
> I was considering doing a couple and selling one or both sort of a
> part time job and see if I could make a big one with the profits.
Is
> this a good idea?
> Is the plan to include an outboard?
> By the way, just starting to get the Trimaran you were looking at
a
> while ago of mine sailing. Moored near EFYC.
> Could show a photo if I could attach it.
>
> Doug HAines