Robert,

Yeah, I am liking thenew look at Rob's house - I can see the single
wing mast going welll with the cruising accomodation. How far could
you cruise in a day? Could get a long way if you ook a week.
Where are yo from?

Doug

It will take a couple of days to build the strongback, cut out the
frames and get the frames accurately lined up. Plenty to go on with for
the weekend. Congratulations. Is it the accommodation or the smaaller
ww hull?
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "doha720" <doha720@y...> wrote:
>
> Um OK so you're weekending. How about Monday morning?
> Kiri sizes and quantities, so I can go to Highpoint Timbers.
> Kind of in a rush - Mum's coming back from Scotland in one month, so
> only have the house to myself till then!
> Thanks
>

Um OK so you're weekending. How about Monday morning?
Kiri sizes and quantities, so I can go to Highpoint Timbers.
Kind of in a rush - Mum's coming back from Scotland in one month, so
only have the house to myself till then!
Thanks

To Michelle and Mark,

I saw Rob today, and paid for the Elementarry plans. Can I get at
least materials list as soon as you read this, because I'll be
shopping tommorrow.

Thanks
Doug Haines

Bruce No. is a very blunt instrument for comparison of just about
anything, even
light weather performance. It takes no account of righting moment, heeling
force, rig efficiency, hull shape efficiency, wetted surface, parasitic
windage
etc. 2 boats of the same LOA and same Bruce No. may have radically different
light weather performance and heavy weather safety characteristics based on
differences in all of the above.
Paul Nudd


Quoting Mike Crawford <jmichael@...>:

> <<Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that unless you
> either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere nuisance,
> or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
> span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.>>
>
>  Or, if you frequently deal with light winds and need to be able to
> cover some distance during those days.
>
>  We rarely cruise, but I can't begin to recite the number of summer
> days we used to plod around while daysailing on our old monohull when
> the wind gods weren't helping out.  Granted, it wasn't a racing boat,
> but on a lot of those days no one under 45 feet was doing much of
> anything.
>
>  Our current catamaran has a Bruce number of 1.9 empty, 1.8 with my
> wife and me on board, and I have to say that it's absolutely
> wonderful to be able to sail on days when our old boat wouldn't even
> move, and sail quickly when we would have been crawling.  Not only is
> it more fun, and cooler with more apparent wind in our faces, it
> allows us to cover a lot more ground and see something besides the
> same old bay.  It's also nice if we need to cover some real distance
> in order to get to another harbor before supper time, or perhaps get
> home before a change in weather makes us miserable.
>
>  The flip side  is that only a fool would carry full sail on a BN
> 1.7+ boat once the wind kicks up.  15 knots is about the top end of
> where we can sail without a reef and still remain calm.  We purchased
> our boat with new sails, and the main came without any reef points.
> We had one added before we used it, and are now adding two more based
> upon our sailing experience.
>
>  So the price of a high Bruce number is the requirement of reefing
> early and often.  Not everyone is willing to do this, but that's true
> for all sailboats.  Some folks just don't want to reef.  I can't say
> why.  I'm personally happy to pay the price of reefing if that means
> I'll be able to sail in winds that are too light for others to bother
> with.
>
>  Alternately, as Roger points out, the price of a high Bruce number
> is white-knuckle sailing and the willingness to risk capsize when a
> gust comes by.  That's certainly a legitimate use of a boat, but it's
> a bit too exciting for my tastes.
>
> ---
>
>  One thing to note with the Harryproas is that a higher Bruce number
> will be a bit easier to handle than other boats.  This is for two
> reasons:
>
>  a)  The majority of the weight is in the windward hull, creating a
> greater righting moment than a standard cat or trimaran with the same
> Bruce number.
>
>  b)  The masts flex readily in gusts, making it much less finicky
> when you're not dealing with perfect trade winds.  Some have
> criticized the masts for being too flexible, but the appear to be
> looking at the boat from more of a pure racing perspective.  While
> there's no substitute for an overpowered stiff rig and an expert crew
> to man it, there's a lot to be said about a rig that will help absorb
> some of the gusts.  This is especially true if you want to use a boat
> with such a high Bruce number for something other than racing.
>
>  More Bruce number information on the larger Visionarry Harryproa at:
>  http://www.harryproa.com/blinddate.htm
>
>
>       - Mike
>
> robertbiegler wrote:
>
>> --- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003"
>> <dana-tenacity@u...> wrote:
>> > Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a fast
>> > boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?
>>
>> The Bruce number is simply the square root of sail area divided by the
>> cube root of displacement.  The numbers caclulated from metric or
>> imterial units differ by about a factor 4.  For Harry, calculated from
>> sail area and displacement in metric units and racing trim (empty
>> weight plus two crew) it's 7.02, calculated from imperial units it's
>> 1.76.  At designed cruising displacement, the numbers are 6.12 from
>> metric units and 1.53 from imperial units.
>>
>> As for a Bruce number of 1.9 or above, that's for pretty extreme
>> racers requiring a lot of attention and skill.  Ellen Macarthur's B&Q
>> comes in at 7.95 in mteric or 1.99 in imperial.  Fujifilm, one of the
>> ORMA 60 trimarans is at 9.52 or 2.39.  That's the kind of boat which
>> is fully powered up in 8 knots of wind.  Most monohull cruisers come
>> in at 4 to 5 or 1 to 1.25, reasonably fast multihull cruisers at about
>> 6 or 1.5.  Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that unless
>> you either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere nuisance,
>> or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
>> span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.  Though if
>> you do crave that sort of excitement, I am sure Rob can provide it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert Biegler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003"
<dana-tenacity@u...> wrote:
> Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a fast
> boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?

The Bruce number is simply the square root of sail area divided by the
cube root of displacement.  The numbers caclulated from metric or
imterial units differ by about a factor 4.  For Harry, calculated from
sail area and displacement in metric units and racing trim (empty
weight plus two crew) it's 7.02, calculated from imperial units it's
1.76.  At designed cruising displacement, the numbers are 6.12 from
metric units and 1.53 from imperial units.

As for a Bruce number of 1.9 or above, that's for pretty extreme
racers requiring a lot of attention and skill.  Ellen Macarthur's B&Q
comes in at 7.95 in mteric or 1.99 in imperial.  Fujifilm, one of the
ORMA 60 trimarans is at 9.52 or 2.39.  That's the kind of boat which
is fully powered up in 8 knots of wind.  Most monohull cruisers come
in at 4 to 5 or 1 to 1.25, reasonably fast multihull cruisers at about
6 or 1.5.  Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that unless
you either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere nuisance,
or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.  Though if
you do crave that sort of excitement, I am sure Rob can provide it.

Regards

Robert Biegler

Thank you for that. Excellent answer.

What do I want? A boat as fast as anything on the harbour with decent
accomodation for practically no money. It's not tooo much to ask is it? The
harry proas seem to come closer than anything else I've seen, if I have a
reservation it's that they seem a tiny bit under rigged (easy fix, more sail)
and might be a bit sticky in the light when wetted surface is an issue. Maybe
I'm wrong, I'd love to get over to Coff's and see one "in the flesh". If I get
this bloody building tenanted I'd try and do it Queen's Bday weekend.

------ Original Message ------
Received: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:03:48 AM MDT
From: "Robert" <cateran1949@...>
To: harryproa@...
Subject: [harryproa] Re: Bruce No.

Visionarry figures come in pretty close to that of the harry.
What also is important is the amount of sail that the boat can carry
before tipping, and the Harrys do very well at that. This is talked
about in the visionarry design part of the harryproa website,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "robertbiegler"
<Robert.Biegler@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003"
> <dana-tenacity@u...> wrote:
> > Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a
fast
> > boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?
>
> The Bruce number is simply the square root of sail area divided by
the
> cube root of displacement.  The numbers caclulated from metric or
> imterial units differ by about a factor 4.  For Harry, calculated
from
> sail area and displacement in metric units and racing trim (empty
> weight plus two crew) it's 7.02, calculated from imperial units
it's
> 1.76.  At designed cruising displacement, the numbers are 6.12 from
> metric units and 1.53 from imperial units.
>
> As for a Bruce number of 1.9 or above, that's for pretty extreme
> racers requiring a lot of attention and skill.  Ellen Macarthur's
B&Q
> comes in at 7.95 in mteric or 1.99 in imperial.  Fujifilm, one of
the
> ORMA 60 trimarans is at 9.52 or 2.39.  That's the kind of boat
which
> is fully powered up in 8 knots of wind.  Most monohull cruisers
come
> in at 4 to 5 or 1 to 1.25, reasonably fast multihull cruisers at
about
> 6 or 1.5.  Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that
unless
> you either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere
nuisance,
> or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
> span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.  Though
if
> you do crave that sort of excitement, I am sure Rob can provide it.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Biegler
>

Visionarry figures come in pretty close to that of the harry.
What also is important is the amount of sail that the boat can carry
before tipping, and the Harrys do very well at that. This is talked
about in the visionarry design part of the harryproa website,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "robertbiegler"
<Robert.Biegler@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003"
> <dana-tenacity@u...> wrote:
> > Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a
fast
> > boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?
>
> The Bruce number is simply the square root of sail area divided by
the
> cube root of displacement.  The numbers caclulated from metric or
> imterial units differ by about a factor 4.  For Harry, calculated
from
> sail area and displacement in metric units and racing trim (empty
> weight plus two crew) it's 7.02, calculated from imperial units
it's
> 1.76.  At designed cruising displacement, the numbers are 6.12 from
> metric units and 1.53 from imperial units.
>
> As for a Bruce number of 1.9 or above, that's for pretty extreme
> racers requiring a lot of attention and skill.  Ellen Macarthur's
B&Q
> comes in at 7.95 in mteric or 1.99 in imperial.  Fujifilm, one of
the
> ORMA 60 trimarans is at 9.52 or 2.39.  That's the kind of boat
which
> is fully powered up in 8 knots of wind.  Most monohull cruisers
come
> in at 4 to 5 or 1 to 1.25, reasonably fast multihull cruisers at
about
> 6 or 1.5.  Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that
unless
> you either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere
nuisance,
> or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
> span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.  Though
if
> you do crave that sort of excitement, I am sure Rob can provide it.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Biegler
>

--- In harryproa@..., "oceanplodder2003"
<dana-tenacity@u...> wrote:
> Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a fast
> boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?

The Bruce number is simply the square root of sail area divided by the
cube root of displacement.  The numbers caclulated from metric or
imterial units differ by about a factor 4.  For Harry, calculated from
sail area and displacement in metric units and racing trim (empty
weight plus two crew) it's 7.02, calculated from imperial units it's
1.76.  At designed cruising displacement, the numbers are 6.12 from
metric units and 1.53 from imperial units.

As for a Bruce number of 1.9 or above, that's for pretty extreme
racers requiring a lot of attention and skill.  Ellen Macarthur's B&Q
comes in at 7.95 in mteric or 1.99 in imperial.  Fujifilm, one of the
ORMA 60 trimarans is at 9.52 or 2.39.  That's the kind of boat which
is fully powered up in 8 knots of wind.  Most monohull cruisers come
in at 4 to 5 or 1 to 1.25, reasonably fast multihull cruisers at about
6 or 1.5.  Personally, I wouldn't recommend much more than that unless
you either sail a boat small enough that a capsize is a mere nuisance,
or you are an adrenalin addict with exceptional skill and attention
span and you can afford the cost of the occasional salvage.  Though if
you do crave that sort of excitement, I am sure Rob can provide it.

Regards

Robert Biegler

Just been reading an article on these, seems 1.9 and above is a fast
boat, do we know what the no. is for Harry?

Message: 2        
   Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:12:21 -0000
   From: "petermirow" <petermirow@...>
Subject: Re: Elementarry camper ?

Grande Raul!

it is good to hear that you will be building such an outstanding
design. Innovative in multiple aspects. Wow! I'll be following. Hope
you feed us with pictures, every now and then, on you nice site.? ;-)

Cheers,

Peter

Grande Raul!

it is good to hear that you will be building such an outstanding
design. Innovative in multiple aspects. Wow! I'll be following. Hope
you feed us with pictures, every now and then, on you nice site.? ;-)

Cheers,

Peter


--- In harryproa@..., "Multicascos.com"
<multicascos@m...> wrote:
>
> Fala Peter !
>
> Yes........... is a bigger Visionarry with a new bi-plane rig.
> We're just waiting Mark, that seems to be with a lot of work.
> Check the details at http://www.harryproa.com/Builders/jt/JT_1.htm
> We're very happy for the chance of building one of the more
innovative and beautiful sailboats of today.
> I heard Carlos Neckel has already started building.
> Of course you will see it................... after all you're the
one that build the first proa in Brasil
> Um abraço
>
> Raúl
> www.multicascos.com
>
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:19:08 -0000
>    From: "petermirow" <petermirow@h...>
> Subject: Re: Elementarry camper ?
>
> Oi Raul,
>
> So, you will be building a 60ft. Visionarry? Thanks for giving us
> this good news. This makes two Harrys' beeing built in Brazil in
not
> too distant future. Aditionally to your Arripiado that is... (one
in
> Florianopolis). I hope I can get an oportunity to see one of them
> when time comes.
> Best,
> Peter
>

My condolensces to family and friends. From what I have heard, he
has been a person of courage and loyalty. All those interested in
the boats owe him a debt for putting his faith in the concept,
Robert

--- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> It is with great sadness I inform you that Johnny Richards died
last Saturday evening after a two month battle with lung cancer.
John was a very close and dear friend.
>
> Two years ago Johnny sold his Crowther catamaran and, showing a
great deal of trust and vision, asked us to build him the newly
designed Visionarry 15m. The result is Rare Bird. Unfortunately he
only got to sail his new boat on three occasions but was very happy
with her. The family has asked me to sell the boat.
>
> Johnny will be fondly remembered and sadly missed.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Stephens
> www.harryproa.com
> 0431 486814
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Stephens

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:27 PM

Subject: [harryproa] Johnny Richards

Hello all,

 

It is with great sadness I inform you that Johnny Richards died last Saturday evening after a two month battle with lung cancer. John was a very close and dear friend.

 

Two years ago Johnny sold his Crowther catamaran and, showing a great deal of trust and vision, asked us to build him the newly designed Visionarry 15m. The result is Rare Bird. Unfortunately he only got to sail his new boat on three occasions but was very happy with her. The family has asked me to sell the boat.

 

Johnny will be fondly remembered and sadly missed.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 

Mark Stephens
www.harryproa.com
0431 486814

Hello Mark,

I feel sorry about this sad news.
Best regards,
Peter


--- In harryproa@..., "Mark Stephens" <stephens@o...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> It is with great sadness I inform you that Johnny Richards died
last Saturday evening after a two month battle with lung cancer. John
was a very close and dear friend.
>
> Two years ago Johnny sold his Crowther catamaran and, showing a
great deal of trust and vision, asked us to build him the newly
designed Visionarry 15m. The result is Rare Bird. Unfortunately he
only got to sail his new boat on three occasions but was very happy
with her. The family has asked me to sell the boat.
>
> Johnny will be fondly remembered and sadly missed.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Stephens
> www.harryproa.com
> 0431 486814
>

Hello all,

 

It is with great sadness I inform you that Johnny Richards died last Saturday evening after a two month battle with lung cancer. John was a very close and dear friend.

 

Two years ago Johnny sold his Crowther catamaran and, showing a great deal of trust and vision, asked us to build him the newly designed Visionarry 15m. The result is Rare Bird. Unfortunately he only got to sail his new boat on three occasions but was very happy with her. The family has asked me to sell the boat.

 

Johnny will be fondly remembered and sadly missed.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

 

Mark Stephens
www.harryproa.com
0431 486814

Oi Raul,

So, you will be building a 60ft. Visionarry? Thanks for giving us
this good news. This makes two Harrys' beeing built in Brazil in not
too distant future. Aditionally to your Arripiado that is... (one in
Florianopolis). I hope I can get an oportunity to see one of them
when time comes.
Best,
Peter

PS: Sorry, I'm beeing repetitive, I know. But its good to talk about
good things. ;-)



--- In harryproa@..., "Multicascos.com"
<multicascos@m...> wrote:
>
> Robert
>
> Thanks for your interest.
> I know we're late, and that was due to a lot of work in our little
boatyard, with 3 cats of a new model, as well as the design and
building of more that 40 different plugs and moulds ........for
nearly every part of that serial production cat............ including
all interior furniture !
> Finally we have put in the water a couple of them and the third is
going very soon.
> See our brazilean work at
http://www.multicascos.com/catricat27.htm  also
>  http://www.multicascos.com/fotos/cat27_atualmente.htm
> We have a video in
http://www.multicascos.com/Videos/CatriCAT_01.mpg
>
> We're planning to continue Arripiado as soon as we start John
Taylor's  60' Visionarry............ and that will happen when Mark
finish the details missing.
> C'mon Mark !
> We'll keep the group informed
> Regards
>
> Raúl
> www.multicascos.com
>
>
>   Message: 1
>      Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:36:27 -0000
>      From: "robertbiegler" <Robert.Biegler@s...>
>   Subject: Elementarry camper?
>
>   I am wondering what is happening to the Elementarry camper.  Last
I
>   checked, Multicascos still had only renderings of the boat on
their
>   web site.  If I remember correctly, they were showing pictures of
a
>   strip planked weather hull being built well over a year ago.  Are
they
>   too busy with other things and have put the camper on the back
burner?
>
>   Regards
>
>   Robert Biegler
>

-I think it imperative that Mr Fox gets that camper version going for
Mrs Fox as a reward for putting up with the building work.
Robert


  -- In harryproa@..., "Rob Denney" <proa@i...> wrote:
>
> G'day,
>
> Multicascos keep getting other build jobs, the camper keeps getting
backburnered.  We have sold a set of plans, not sure where the
builder is up to at present.  My wife keeps hassling me to build the
camper ww hull for my boat.  Once I finish playing with the
experimental stuff (yet another single rudder variation to try this
week, and the wing mast is still sitting uncompleted in the garage),
I just might do so.
>
> regards,
>
> Rob
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: robertbiegler
>   To: harryproa@...
>   Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:36 AM
>   Subject: [harryproa] Elementarry camper?
>
>
>   I am wondering what is happening to the Elementarry camper.  Last
I
>   checked, Multicascos still had only renderings of the boat on
their
>   web site.  If I remember correctly, they were showing pictures of
a
>   strip planked weather hull being built well over a year ago.  Are
they
>   too busy with other things and have put the camper on the back
burner?
>
>   Regards
>
>   Robert Biegler
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 1        
   Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:36:27 -0000
   From: "robertbiegler" <Robert.Biegler@...>
Subject: Elementarry camper?

I am wondering what is happening to the Elementarry camper.  Last I
checked, Multicascos still had only renderings of the boat on their
web site.  If I remember correctly, they were showing pictures of a
strip planked weather hull being built well over a year ago.  Are they
too busy with other things and have put the camper on the back burner?

Regards

Robert Biegler

----- Original Message -----

From: robertbiegler

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:36 AM

Subject: [harryproa] Elementarry camper?

I am wondering what is happening to the Elementarry camper.  Last I
checked, Multicascos still had only renderings of the boat on their
web site.  If I remember correctly, they were showing pictures of a
strip planked weather hull being built well over a year ago.  Are they
too busy with other things and have put the camper on the back burner?

Regards

Robert Biegler

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I am wondering what is happening to the Elementarry camper.  Last I
checked, Multicascos still had only renderings of the boat on their
web site.  If I remember correctly, they were showing pictures of a
strip planked weather hull being built well over a year ago.  Are they
too busy with other things and have put the camper on the back burner?

Regards

Robert Biegler

thanks for the invite michele. will let you know when i get to sail elementarry
again mark. its
gone back to the farm for now. marcus.

----- Original Message -----

From: colcampey

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:37 PM

Subject: [harryproa] Windmill drive

Rob,
Someone on the electric boat group proposed the novel idea of
eliminating the electric motor between the wind generator and the
propellor!
Do you think it's time to revisit your idea, now that you can use
carbon to keep the whole thing light and demountable (for gales). A
light carbon boat will also need a smaller windmill than your
original - or two even smaller windmills.
Use the windmill whatever the wind direction whenever there's enough
breeze and the kite downwind in light air.

Regards,

Col C

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Rob,
Someone on the electric boat group proposed the novel idea of
eliminating the electric motor between the wind generator and the
propellor!
Do you think it's time to revisit your idea, now that you can use
carbon to keep the whole thing light and demountable (for gales). A
light carbon boat will also need a smaller windmill than your
original - or two even smaller windmills.
Use the windmill whatever the wind direction whenever there's enough
breeze and the kite downwind in light air.

Regards,

Col C

Rob,
  Someone on the electric boat group proposed the novel idea of
eliminating the electric motor between the wind generator and the
propellor!
Do you think it's time to revisit your idea, now that you can use
carbon to keep the whole thing light and demountable (for gales). A
light carbon boat will also need a smaller windmill than your
original - or two even smaller windmills.
Use the windmill whatever the wind direction whenever there's enough
breeze and the kite downwind in light air.

Regards,

Col C

----- Original Message -----

From: oceanplodder2003

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:35 AM

Subject: [harryproa] Bain's Harry

Is he likely to be sailing before winter? I'm being presumptuous in
assuming that if I could get over there I could get a guided tour or
even a sail???????????






 
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--- In harryproa@..., "David Howie" <dana-
tenacity@u...> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, wasn't too specific. To build harry 2004. I can see how you
get by with
> quarter or half hulls as everything is symmetrical. By bunk covers
do you mean
> what might be called a deck, what about decks on lw hull.
> Looking like we're close to signing a tenant, would be good to make
a
> commitment before my Bday, 6 weeks and counting.
>
> Cheers
> David
>
> Ps think Harry wouls match this for speed?
> http://www.tennantdesign.co.nz/boatdesigns/35/Wildfire.htm
>
>
G'day,

Bunk covers are the decks, sorry.   Lee hull decks would be built in
the same mould as the sides and bottom, then joined down the middle.

Happy birthday for 6 weeks.  Hope it all goes well until then.

Re the Wildfire, a Harry would be longer, lighter, less sail area,
similar righting moment, less windage.  Should be quicker in most
conditions, probably close in light air, the cat will clean up
if/when it can fly it's spinnaker unless the harry has a kite.  Harry
has more usable space, double bunks not singles, cheaper to build and
easier to sail.

regards,

rob

Is he likely to be sailing before winter? I'm being presumptuous in
assuming that if I could get over there I could get a guided tour or
even a sail???????????