I was looking at your pics and wondered what your anchor set up was
when you took time out and surfed some of those offshore reefs,
RObert
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Check out http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php 3rd item down for a picture and some blurb on the solo boat. Feel free to email Sailing Anarchy telling them why it should win the competition!
Hi Dave,
thank´s for the reply.
Hummm... yes, I´m not too much interested in flying my surfkite from
a boat. As you say, handling the lines is an issue. Can be done, but
it is not what I´m looking for.
Your decision to go big seems to be a good one. That´s where the
money is, anyway.
Thank´s for your time (and pacience). I´ll come back to you, when
time comes. Maybe you have a distributor in South America by then?
Best regards,
Peter
--- In harryproa@..., "Dave Culp" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Happy to answer your questions here, as it is here that you ask
them. First, sorry for not
> jumping to your response sooner. Your post to KiteShip indicated
you hadn't yet built the
> boat. Further, you asked about 20-30 sq meter kites. KiteShip does
not build kites in
> these sizes, for a couple of reasons.
>
> First, we are quite proud of being the only company in the world to
master building and
> flying very large kites for boats and ships. We are not interested
in competing with the
> high-production number, asian-built mass-produced kitesurf market.
We recommend
> users who want to experiment with small kites to use cast-off
kitesurf kites; they are much
> less expensive.
>
> Second, the very small lines needed to fly small kites can be
dangerous, in my opinion.
> Worldwide injury figures show that line cuts aren't very common--
the "cheese slicer"
> vision some people have of kite lines are mostly imaginary, not
realized. OTOH, the entire
> kitesurfing industry is predicated on the flyer himself never
touching his own lines--this
> is in fact dangerous; "line burns" can be serious--sufficiently
serious that small kite flyers
> instantly "get" that they shouldn't hold their lines. This does not
effect larger kites, such as
> KiteShip sells, however.
>
> Launching and recovering large kites (or even small ones) in deep
water or offshore
> requires the handling of lines (kitesurfers typically launch from
the shore--or if in deep
> water, with much difficulty--requiring strong swimming). If
handling small kite lines is
> dangerous, and offshore kiteboats require handling of lines,
wouldn't you agree that
> limiting our business to larger kites makes a certain amount of
sense?
>
> We get many queries about line handling. The simple answer is it is
much like spinnaker
> flying. The longer answer is to view the videos on our site (these
are NOT streamed, but
> downloaded--this is the simplest method of providing video content
online. I'm sorry if
> you had trouble; we have many thousands of visitors to the site,
and many hundreds of
> thousands of downloads without incident. I'm sorry you were one of
the few.) The actual
> gybing of a kite is effortless--you just fly the kite from one tack
to the other. Lines on the
> boat must be routed--or re-routed to avoid the forestay, which is
the only impediment;
> unstayed mass again are effortless. Gybing a proa is more or less
the same as with the
> sails--the kite needs to move from one side of the flying window to
the other, while the
> boat shunts and follows.
>
> The longest answer (re: linehandling)--for those who are ready and
able to purchase a
> kite, is to approach one of our distributors and go for a sail. We
enjoy demonstrating our
> wares, and wowing new kite sailors.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
Hi Peter,
Happy to answer your questions here, as it is here that you ask them. First,
sorry for not
jumping to your response sooner. Your post to KiteShip indicated you hadn't yet
built the
boat. Further, you asked about 20-30 sq meter kites. KiteShip does not build
kites in
these sizes, for a couple of reasons.
First, we are quite proud of being the only company in the world to master
building and
flying very large kites for boats and ships. We are not interested in competing
with the
high-production number, asian-built mass-produced kitesurf market. We recommend
users who want to experiment with small kites to use cast-off kitesurf kites;
they are much
less expensive.
Second, the very small lines needed to fly small kites can be dangerous, in my
opinion.
Worldwide injury figures show that line cuts aren't very common--the "cheese
slicer"
vision some people have of kite lines are mostly imaginary, not realized. OTOH,
the entire
kitesurfing industry is predicated on the flyer himself never touching his own
lines--this
is in fact dangerous; "line burns" can be serious--sufficiently serious that
small kite flyers
instantly "get" that they shouldn't hold their lines. This does not effect
larger kites, such as
KiteShip sells, however.
Launching and recovering large kites (or even small ones) in deep water or
offshore
requires the handling of lines (kitesurfers typically launch from the shore--or
if in deep
water, with much difficulty--requiring strong swimming). If handling small kite
lines is
dangerous, and offshore kiteboats require handling of lines, wouldn't you agree
that
limiting our business to larger kites makes a certain amount of sense?
We get many queries about line handling. The simple answer is it is much like
spinnaker
flying. The longer answer is to view the videos on our site (these are NOT
streamed, but
downloaded--this is the simplest method of providing video content online. I'm
sorry if
you had trouble; we have many thousands of visitors to the site, and many
hundreds of
thousands of downloads without incident. I'm sorry you were one of the few.) The
actual
gybing of a kite is effortless--you just fly the kite from one tack to the
other. Lines on the
boat must be routed--or re-routed to avoid the forestay, which is the only
impediment;
unstayed mass again are effortless. Gybing a proa is more or less the same as
with the
sails--the kite needs to move from one side of the flying window to the other,
while the
boat shunts and follows.
The longest answer (re: linehandling)--for those who are ready and able to
purchase a
kite, is to approach one of our distributors and go for a sail. We enjoy
demonstrating our
wares, and wowing new kite sailors.
Cheers,
Dave
Lines are transferred by moving the pulleys around the deck with tweakers, much the same way as jib sheet leads are moved on racing boats. Mostly, they are not necessary if the tip lines are attached at the chainplates and the tail line ahead of the forestay. Then all that is required is a simple fitting to keep the windward tip line off the forestay when reaching. Gybing is effortless if running near enough dead downwind, just flip the main over. From a reach to a reach, you re trim for dead down wind, flip the main over and retrim for a reach. On an unstayed boat it is all even easier.
I finally managed to see the video about launching and retrieving of the Outleader kite, on the Outleader website. For some reason the streaming never managed to start before. Maybe I had some software version problems.
It shows a few images of the line handling. Not many, but enough to see, that it is very little related to flying a surfing-kite. And the worries I had about the linehandling seem unfounded, indeed.
Seemed much more like a simplified spi maneuver. I just wondered how the gibe is done. Gibing the kite is simple. But on the video, I noticed, that all lines lead to the starbord side. How are they transferred to port, if needed?
I know this question is slightly off group topic, I apologise. But since we're at it...
Peter
--- In
harryproa@..., "petermirow" <petermirow@...> wrote: > > The last couple of messages I wrote in reply were not posted, due to my > yahoo account beeing deactivated. For some reason. Sorry.
> > Now I´ll have so summerize: > > I whish you have a nice sail and oportunity for some good video > footage. Specially the linehandling. > > Best, > Peter >
Hi,
I finally managed to see the video about launching and retrieving of
the Outleader kite, on the Outleader website. For some reason the
streaming never managed to start before. Maybe I had some software
version problems.
It shows a few images of the line handling. Not many, but enough to
see, that it is very little related to flying a surfing-kite. And the
worries I had about the linehandling seem unfounded, indeed.
Seemed much more like a simplified spi maneuver. I just wondered how
the gibe is done. Gibing the kite is simple. But on the video, I
noticed, that all lines lead to the starbord side. How are they
transferred to port, if needed?
I know this question is slightly off group topic, I apologise. But
since we're at it...
Peter
--- In harryproa@..., "petermirow" <petermirow@...>
wrote:
>
> The last couple of messages I wrote in reply were not posted, due to
my
> yahoo account beeing deactivated. For some reason. Sorry.
>
> Now I´ll have so summerize:
>
> I whish you have a nice sail and oportunity for some good video
> footage. Specially the linehandling.
>
> Best,
> Peter
>
G'day,
Spoke to the cabin people. They have 2 singles and 2 doubles
available that weekend. http://www.urungaheads.com.au/
regards,
Rob--- In harryproa@..., "Rob Denney" <harryproa@...>
wrote:
>
> G'day,
>
> $500 for the workshop, we will try and block book the pub again,
and also
> the cabins on the camp site near the water. Much cheaper and very
nice
> surroundings. This is where I usually stay. Will have more info
soon.
>
> Flights from Hamilton to the Gold Coast are $200, another hundred
down to
> Urunga, or hire a car and check out some pretty nice scenery en
route.
>
> regards,
>
> Rob
>
>
> On 6/12/07, Jim Baltaxe <jim.baltaxe@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob
> >
> > That sounds good. Any details re. prices, accommodation etc. as
yet?
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> > Jim Baltaxe
> > ITS Desktop Support
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > NEW ZEALAND
> > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
> >
> > *I suffer from mental incontinence.*
> >
> > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within.
> > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research,
would it?"
> > -- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* harryproa@...
[mailto:harryproa@...]
> > *On Behalf Of *Rob Denney
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:00 p.m.
> > *To:* harryproa@...
> > *Subject:* Re: [harryproa] Re: telescopic mast
> >
> >
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Be great to see you both. Date is 16th to 19th August.
> >
> > regards,
> > Rob
> >
> > On 6/12/07, Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I should have a better chance of making the August one also,
> > > Robert
> > > --- In harryproa@... <harryproa%
40yahoogroups.com.au>,
> > > "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rob, &al
> > > >
> > > > Could you please send me some more details about the August
workshop
> > > as
> > > > soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if
I will
> > > come
> > > > over at that time.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim Baltaxe
> > > > ITS Desktop Support
> > > > Victoria University of Wellington
> > > > NEW ZEALAND
> > > > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
> > > >
> > > > I suffer from mental incontinence.
> > > >
> > > > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within.
> > > > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called
research, would
> > > > it?" -- Albert Einstein
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: harryproa@... <harryproa%
40yahoogroups.com.au>
> > > > [mailto:harryproa@... <harryproa%
40yahoogroups.com.au>]
> > > On Behalf Of Rob Denney
> > > > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m.
> > > > To: harryproa@... <harryproa%
40yahoogroups.com.au>
> > > > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3
> > > > boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and
learning had
> > > > taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the
deck
> > > > infused.
> > > >
> > > > A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the
> > > > technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone
from the
> > > the
> > > > know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His
tales of
> > >
> > > > the early days of multihull development and short handed
sailing were
> > > a
> > > > large bonus.
> > > >
> > > > We all had such a good time that we are going to have another
> > > > workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long,
but more
> > > > complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will
even be
> > > > possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and
include the
> > > > washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the
deck
> > > edge
> > > > radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit
cover) 2
> > > > seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no
additional
> > > > glassing or filleting required.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > rob
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The last couple of messages I wrote in reply were not posted, due to my
yahoo account beeing deactivated. For some reason. Sorry.
Now I´ll have so summerize:
I whish you have a nice sail and oportunity for some good video
footage. Specially the linehandling.
Best,
Peter
$500 for the workshop, we will try and block book the pub again, and also the cabins on the camp site near the water. Much cheaper and very nice surroundings. This is where I usually stay. Will have more info soon.
Flights from Hamilton to the Gold Coast are $200, another hundred down to Urunga, or hire a car and check out some pretty nice scenery en route.
That sounds good. Any details re. prices, accommodation etc. as yet?
Enjoy
Jim Baltaxe ITS Desktop Support
Victoria University of Wellington NEW ZEALAND (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
I suffer from mental incontinence.
Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?" -- Albert Einstein
From: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:
harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Denney Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:00 p.m. To: harryproa@yahoogrou
ps.com.au Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: telescopic mast
G'day,
Be great to see you both. Date is 16th to 19th August.
I should have a better chance of making the August one also, Robert --- In harryproa@... , "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote: > > Hi Rob, &al > > Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as > soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come > over at that time. > > Enjoy > > > Jim Baltaxe > ITS Desktop Support > Victoria University of Wellington > NEW ZEALAND > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
> > I suffer from mental incontinence. > > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would > it?" -- Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: harryproa@... > [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m. > To: harryproa@... > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
> > > > > The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 > boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had > taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck > infused. > > A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the > technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the > know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of > the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a > large bonus. > > We all had such a good time that we are going to have another > workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more > complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be > possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the > washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge > radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 > seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional > glassing or filleting required. > > regards, > > rob
Pictures will be on the web page soon. Some of the attendees are on this list, so might want to post some pics in the photos section. The changes are 100mm/4" of rocker, and v shaped bows rather than u. Lower prismatic, better chance of riding over logs and stuff. We will see when it is launched, but I do not think the changes will affect it very much. Certainly not enough to build it any other way. The ww hull will be the same, but we may try for a more harry shape in the next one we do. Derek reckons he can get whatever shape we want, and I believe him. Would be good to try it on a smaller hull and see how it goes
I should have a better chance of making the August one also, Robert --- In harryproa@... , "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote: > > Hi Rob, &al > > Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as > soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come > over at that time. > > Enjoy > > > Jim Baltaxe > ITS Desktop Support > Victoria University of Wellington > NEW ZEALAND > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018 > > I suffer from mental incontinence. > > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would > it?" -- Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: harryproa@... > [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m. > To: harryproa@... > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
> > > > > The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 > boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had > taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck > infused. > > A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the > technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the > know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of > the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a > large bonus. > > We all had such a good time that we are going to have another > workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more > complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be > possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the > washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge > radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 > seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional > glassing or filleting required. > > regards, > > rob
I should have a better chance of making the August one also,
Robert
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au , "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rob, &al
>
> Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as
> soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come
> over at that time.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
> Jim Baltaxe
> ITS Desktop Support
> Victoria University of Wellington
> NEW ZEALAND
> (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
>
> I suffer from mental incontinence.
>
> Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within.
> "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
> it?" -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au > [mailto:harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Denney
> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m.
> To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
>
>
>
>
> The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3
> boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had
> taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck
> infused.
>
> A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the
> technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the
> know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of
> the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a
> large bonus.
>
> We all had such a good time that we are going to have another
> workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more
> complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be
> possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the
> washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge
> radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2
> seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional
> glassing or filleting required.
>
> regards,
>
> rob
That sounds good. Any details re. prices, accommodation etc. as yet?
Enjoy
Jim Baltaxe ITS Desktop Support Victoria University of Wellington NEW ZEALAND (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
I suffer from mental incontinence.
Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it?" -- Albert Einstein
From: harryproa@... [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:00 p.m. To: harryproa@... Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: telescopic mast
G'day,
Be great to see you both. Date is 16th to 19th August.
I should have a better chance of making the August one also, Robert --- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au , "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote: > > Hi Rob, &al > > Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as > soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come > over at that time. > > Enjoy > > > Jim Baltaxe > ITS Desktop Support > Victoria University of Wellington > NEW ZEALAND > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018 > > I suffer from mental incontinence. > > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would > it?" -- Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au > [mailto:harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Rob Denney > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m. > To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast > > > > > The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 > boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had > taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck > infused. > > A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the > technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the > know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of > the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a > large bonus. > > We all had such a good time that we are going to have another > workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more > complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be > possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the > washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge > radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 > seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional > glassing or filleting required. > > regards, > > rob
I should have a better chance of making the August one also, Robert --- In harryproa@...
, "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote: > > Hi Rob, &al > > Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as > soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come
> over at that time. > > Enjoy > > > Jim Baltaxe > ITS Desktop Support > Victoria University of Wellington > NEW ZEALAND > (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
> > I suffer from mental incontinence. > > Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within. > "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would > it?" -- Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: harryproa@...
> [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m. > To: harryproa@... > Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
> > > > > The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 > boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had > taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck
> infused. > > A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the > technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the > know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of
> the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a > large bonus. > > We all had such a good time that we are going to have another > workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more
> complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be > possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the > washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge
> radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 > seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional > glassing or filleting required. > > regards,
> > rob
I should have a better chance of making the August one also,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "Jim Baltaxe" <jim.baltaxe@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rob, &al
>
> Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as
> soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come
> over at that time.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
> Jim Baltaxe
> ITS Desktop Support
> Victoria University of Wellington
> NEW ZEALAND
> (04) 463 5018 or 027 563 5018
>
> I suffer from mental incontinence.
>
> Klein bottle for rent. Inquire within.
> "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
> it?" -- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: harryproa@...
> [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney
> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m.
> To: harryproa@...
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
>
>
>
>
> The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3
> boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had
> taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck
> infused.
>
> A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the
> technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the
> know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of
> the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a
> large bonus.
>
> We all had such a good time that we are going to have another
> workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more
> complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be
> possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the
> washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge
> radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2
> seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional
> glassing or filleting required.
>
> regards,
>
> rob
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Could you please send me some more details about the August workshop as soon as possible. I will have to start to make plans soon if I will come over at that time.
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From: harryproa@... [mailto:harryproa@...] On Behalf Of Rob Denney Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 4:21 p.m. To: harryproa@... Subject: Re: [harryproa] telescopic mast
The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck infused.
A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a large bonus.
We all had such a good time that we are going to have another workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional glassing or filleting required.
The mast bend characteristics can be established pretty accurately by the engineer regardless of the dimensions. In theory. We will see how it goes.
The workshop was fantastic! 12 people (about equivalent to 3 boatbuilders working full time once all the talking and learning had taken place) attended and we got the two half hulls and the deck infused. Hulls are gel coated above the water line so no fairing or painting is required. There were a few materials related hiccups, so we did not glass or fair the half hulls after the below waterline shaping was done, but this is not a huge job. If we did it again, the whole lot would be completed in the 4 days, which is a quantum leap quicker than any other one off build technique. Derek's deck edge radius is a stroke of genius, so joining it all together will be very quick and accurate.
It all looks fair, but we won't know for sure until the rest of the glassing is done and the frames removed. The wet out and laminate consolidation is 100%. Vinylester resin still smells, but infusion is so much better, lighter, quicker and less wasteful than hand layup that there is no comparison. Bag the job, pour the resin into the bucket, open the tap and 15 minutes (mostly spent ooohing and aaahing) later you are sitting down with a cup of tea, with half a 50' hull curing on the table. 450 gsm or 2,500 gsm, it all gets wet out with exactly the right amount of resin; no voids, no dry spots. The solo lee hull is pretty small, but the same technique and timing will apply to any size hull.
There were 6 (including Mark and I) pro strip plank builders present, all of whom were convinced that this is a much better way to build boats. The materials cost was $5,000, which included tailoring the foam, which was so easy that it would have been cheaper to do it our selves. Strip cedar/epoxy are similar materials cost, plus paint.
There will be some photos on the web page soon, and a weight analysis.
A highlight of the workshop was Derek, whose knowledge of the technique made it all very easy and enjoyable for everyone from the the know it alls who didn't, to the completely inexperienced. His tales of the early days of multihull development and short handed sailing were a large bonus.
We all had such a good time that we are going to have another workshop in August to build the ww hull. Only half as long, but more complex due to the cantilevered bunks and cockpit. It will even be possible to infuse the complex curves of the seats and include the washboard track and hatch surrounds in the laminate. With the deck edge radius, all 7 parts (2 hull halves, deck (including cockpit cover) 2 seats, bunk base and bunk wall will slot together with no additional glassing or filleting required.
Rob and Mark, Just looking through your info on the transpac, and wondered how you get round the changes in stiffness and strength indicated by the top section being fatter than the bottom. Looking forward to seeing how the workshop goes and sorry I couldn't make it, Robert
Any questions on the lines, kites or handling, please ask.
My drums are not perfect as they do not move the line back and forth across the reel. Consequently, there is scope for the lines to pile up and collapse under pressure, which could lead to a jam. As the lines are eased out round winches, this should not happen, but could. I also had a line drop in the water while sailing and it unrolled off the drum, which is easily fixed, but is something else to watch for.
I will be fitting a fourth drum for the retrieval line this week.
Now I have learned about the drums to keep the lines proper and safe. That's great development, and I'd like to know more about it. With a properly working system like that,I'd be tempted to buy one of the kites. In fact, I have even placed a request, but got no answer yet. Unfortunately.
Can you indicate me a source of more information about the operation of kites, and specially the handling of lines?
-Well, I wonder what attracts you to the harryproa?
Proa: you have to come up with something overriding
the value of proa speed, cheapness and seaworthiness
to make a tacker worthwhile.
Not sure whether you mean "the harryproa" as a concept
(includes what?), the Harry boat, or something like
all of rob's proas as a species.
IIRC rob's definition of the term atleast includes the
accom. to windward, very practical. For instance you
can piss through the tramp in a breeze without getting
the sleeping quarters wet.
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The trip from Moresby was in 1982 after completing a teaching contract.
I was up in Darwin as my wife is a high flying academic and was given
a job up there. We are back in Canberra as her old uni offered another
promotion to poach her back again. I started to get to rellay become
attached to Darwin and am still in contact with many of the people I
got to know up there. Make sure you visit the museum as you go past as
it has a lovely collection of traditional boats, including some proas
and outriggers and even a pearling lugger.
Hopefully if rob gets his tranpac going to schedule I may get to see
it on his return from Tassie after the sydney hobart cover.
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
> Thanks Robert.
> Thought you lived in Eden not Port Moresby?
> What's happening in Darwin?
>
> Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
congratulations on the development of your cruiser. Sounds like a buzz
> to sail from Perth to Cairns. Watch out for crocs and cyclones. I did
> a small trip from Port Moresby to Thursday Island in a 21 foot
> aluminium tri that I built . It was interesting and I learnt a lot
> about how much I needed to learn.best wishes on the adventure,
> Robert
>
> --- In harryproa@..., "Douglas Alexander Frank Haines"
> <doha720@> wrote:
> >
> > another few days of work to show.
> > some slight improvements like the round beam that sits along the edge
> > of the deck and takes the netting. More easy to step on with round
> > shape. Also wrap rope around. Copied from Rob's.
> > Same as fittings, except using carbon in mine!
> >
> > Wondering how to fit the outboard on.
> > Needs to let the booms swing over the top without blocking them.
> > Obviously needs to go down far enough in the water, so be best to
> > hinge it down lower than the height of the beam, but this would mean
> > needing to add some strengthdowmn from off the beam. Also triangular
> > shape beam is angled in underneath . At least its only for 2hp.
> > Easier to see when have all parts assembled. So maybe leave it to
later.
> >
>
>
>
>
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Rob and Mark, Just looking through your info on the transpac, and wondered how you get round the changes in stiffness and strength indicated by the top section being fatter than the bottom. Looking forward to seeing how the workshop goes and sorry I couldn't make it, Robert
Thanks Robert. Thought you lived in Eden not Port Moresby? What's happening in Darwin?
Robert <cateran1949@...> wrote:
congratulations on the development of your cruiser. Sounds like a buzz to sail from Perth to Cairns. Watch out for crocs and cyclones. I did a small trip from Port Moresby to Thursday Island in a 21 foot aluminium tri that I built . It was interesting and I learnt a lot about how much I needed to learn.best wishes on the adventure, Robert
--- In harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au, "Douglas Alexander Frank Haines" <doha720@...> wrote: > > another few days of work to show. > some slight improvements like the round beam that sits along the edge > of the deck and takes the netting. More easy to step on with round > shape. Also wrap rope around. Copied from Rob's. > Same as fittings, except using carbon in mine! > > Wondering how to fit the outboard on. > Needs to let the booms swing over the top without blocking them. > Obviously needs to go down far enough in the water, so be best to > hinge it down lower than the height of the beam, but this would mean > needing to add some strengthdowmn from off the beam. Also triangular > shape beam is angled in underneath . At least its only for 2hp. > Easier to see when have all parts assembled. So maybe leave it to
later. >
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Hi Dave,
thank's for your reply.
Kitesurfers keep the hands off the lines, just as you say on the
Outleader website. They are considered a potential threat to the
kiter himself and to standers by. The fine spectra lines can come
under great loads quite suddenly and can cause nasty cuts. The
spectra lines love to get entangled around fingers and limbs. That's
what people learn when kiting, and from sensationalistic articles in
the press. At least around here.
That's why I, at first sight, would consider 60 to 90 ft of spectra
lines lying loosely on deck dangerous. I say at first sight because I
had the idea that the lines would have to be retrieved quickly in
some sort of hand-over-hand process. Actually I had no idea of how
the lines would be handled. And I certainly have a bias from surfing
kites, which seem to be quite a different sort of thing.
Not much is said about the actual operation of the kites and their
lines on the Outleader wesite. And pictures show the kite mostlyç not
the line setup.
Now I have learned about the drums to keep the lines proper and safe.
That's great development, and I'd like to know more about it. With a
properly working system like that,I'd be tempted to buy one of the
kites. In fact, I have even placed a request, but got no answer yet.
Unfortunately.
Can you indicate me a source of more information about the operation
of kites, and specially the handling of lines?
Have a nice day,
Peter
--- In harryproa@..., "Dave Culp" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to come into this message late, but please tell me, Peter,
why you think the kitelines are
> "potentially" dangerous? (your post of 21 May) Sure, any line under
tension can have
> danger--as if it breaks, or a
> deck block gives way while your foot is in the rope's bight, but
you seem to indicate
> something else, something more.
>
> I don't mean to pick on you--far from it--but you are not the first
to say something like this,
> and I'm at a loss to understand the thinking behind it. Thanks!
>
> Dave
> (designer and builder of OutLeader kites)
>
Rob and Mark,
Just looking through your info on the transpac, and wondered how you
get round the changes in stiffness and strength indicated by the top
section being fatter than the bottom.
Looking forward to seeing how the workshop goes and sorry I couldn't
make it,
Robert
congratulations on the development of your cruiser. Sounds like a buzz
to sail from Perth to Cairns. Watch out for crocs and cyclones. I did
a small trip from Port Moresby to Thursday Island in a 21 foot
aluminium tri that I built . It was interesting and I learnt a lot
about how much I needed to learn.best wishes on the adventure,
Robert
--- In harryproa@..., "Douglas Alexander Frank Haines"
<doha720@...> wrote:
>
> another few days of work to show.
> some slight improvements like the round beam that sits along the edge
> of the deck and takes the netting. More easy to step on with round
> shape. Also wrap rope around. Copied from Rob's.
> Same as fittings, except using carbon in mine!
>
> Wondering how to fit the outboard on.
> Needs to let the booms swing over the top without blocking them.
> Obviously needs to go down far enough in the water, so be best to
> hinge it down lower than the height of the beam, but this would mean
> needing to add some strengthdowmn from off the beam. Also triangular
> shape beam is angled in underneath . At least its only for 2hp.
> Easier to see when have all parts assembled. So maybe leave it to later.
>
another few days of work to show.
some slight improvements like the round beam that sits along the edge
of the deck and takes the netting. More easy to step on with round
shape. Also wrap rope around. Copied from Rob's.
Same as fittings, except using carbon in mine!
Wondering how to fit the outboard on.
Needs to let the booms swing over the top without blocking them.
Obviously needs to go down far enough in the water, so be best to
hinge it down lower than the height of the beam, but this would mean
needing to add some strengthdowmn from off the beam. Also triangular
shape beam is angled in underneath . At least its only for 2hp.
Easier to see when have all parts assembled. So maybe leave it to later.
Well, I wonder what attracts you to the harryproa?
--- In harryproa@..., sigurd grung <nosupersnail@...>
wrote:
>
> -Hi,
> -Whats your inte[r]est?
> what do you mean what it is? You mean why I want to
> know? Curiosity and relevance to my own projects.
>
> -Souond like you built before.
> not really. modified a euro dinghy for kite and lashed
> together a tornado for kite and motor (slept on tramp
> in tent). going to build more kite boats.
>
> Why did you query me instead of answering?
>
>
>
>
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-Hi,
-Whats your inte[r]est?
what do you mean what it is? You mean why I want to
know? Curiosity and relevance to my own projects.
-Souond like you built before.
not really. modified a euro dinghy for kite and lashed
together a tornado for kite and motor (slept on tramp
in tent). going to build more kite boats.
Why did you query me instead of answering?
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Hi, thanks a lot for the photos, hope you will make more and put here. It is very helpful!
What is the hinge in the bottom of the new masts for?
How are the wingmasts made? Are you going to rotate the masts manually, relative to the booms?
Are you sleeping inside the windward hull or in a tent? Tent on deck?
How are the tramp tubes tied to the lee hull and deck? You
have just glassed some rope loops into the laminate? Did they not suck resin and become stiff?
It looks like such a nice boat and taking you to some beautiful places.
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Hi, thanks a lot for the photos, hope you will make
more and put here. It is very helpful!
What is the hinge in the bottom of the new masts for?
How are the wingmasts made? Are you going to rotate
the masts manually, relative to the booms?
Are you sleeping inside the windward hull or in a
tent? Tent on deck?
How are the tramp tubes tied to the lee hull and deck?
You have just glassed some rope loops into the
laminate? Did they not suck resin and become stiff?
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The new rig has a single windward stay. 2 feet of bury in the hull,
which I'm sure is less than Elementarry. I made the hull a few years
ago, and put a bit of rocker in, which takes volume out of the ends.
If I had it to do today I'd put no rocker in. Aside from that I like
the hull shape, it's a very fine entry and pretty high beams. I like
the high beams on a Hobie 16, I was after something like that.
I can sit right at the lee hull as I think I am in the picture, but
only in really light air. As soon as I get a puff I scoot back to the
middle of the tramp, and then back to the seat over the ww hull. I
have a couple of extending aluminum handles made for paint rollers
that open out to ten feet long. The boat's beam was 11', now it's 8',
so I may make a seat to sit out to ww of the ww hull if it feels
twitchy now.
Kevin
--- In harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I am a little unsure about other designs like your proa as it looks
quite diffrent to elementarry. Perhaps the rig is now similar to mine,
but not free standing? Not too much bury in there.
> Elementarry has plenty of bury , plenty of buoyancy and very fine
entry and exit. Beams are very high up out of the water, and the deck
is big and dry (unless lots of spray sort of day).
> Rig is real easy to control - although four diffrent very long
sheets are a bit messy.
> I guess you swing the forestay(pole) around to shunt, or was that
too hard?
> The main diffrence is of course, do you sit out on the ww hull with
tiller poles?
> My sail battens were too stiff then too weak, so thats another
improvement.
>
> Doug
>
>
> k_s_oneill <K_S_ONeill@...> wrote:
Hi Doug
>
> Sorry, I'm on the Texas coast, below Houston. I have a 21' proa, I
> put a couple of pictures of my boat in the non-Harry folder in the
> Photos section. The rig shown is a Gibbons-Dierking rig, it was quite
> fast but not very easy to handle in a breeze, and I've switched to a
> schooner rig of about 130 ft^2 (about 12 m^2). I've also made some
> more substantial beams that make the boat 8' wide, so I can trailer it
> put together, and a bigger ama. I don't want to divert discussion in
> the Harry group, but feel free to come over to the proa_file group if
> you want to chat more about it. I've had a small trailer mishap, so
> I'm picking up a galvanized cat trailer Tuesday and should be sailing
> again in a week or so, I'll write up a report and post some pictures
> with the new rig over there.
>
> Elementharry is similar enough to my boat to make me interested in
> where the rudders are and what the overall beam is, how all that
> changes how the boat sails, trouble with handling at slow speeds and
> all that. I thought when I saw the rudders on the beams, based on how
> my boat acts, that they were not far back enough, but thought that
> maybe with the schooner rig you could get away with it by only
> sheeting in the foresail when coming out of a shunt.
>
> Sorry about having to re-do all that work. Part of having an
> experimental boat, I guess.
>
> Your trip sounds like fun, I'm taking a short cruise after my semester
> is done at the end of June, in Laguna Madre from Port Isabel to
> Corpus. Just a few days, nothing like your three weeks, sadly.
> Here's a neat set of pics I just found, if you're interested:
>
> http://www.texmaps.com/aerials/14southern-laguna-madre/
>
> and
>
> http://www.texmaps.com/aerials/13land-cut-to-port-mansfield/index.html
>
> Thanks for the reply,
>
> Kevin
>
> --- In harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@> wrote:
> >
> > G;Day Kevin,
> >
> > You should put in where you are from and what area you could get to
> sail in so we know more about who is out there.
> >
> > I had a really interesting 3 weeks cruising up and down our west
> coast, before coming in to do the renovations.
> >
> > I'm planning to sail Perth to Cairns in November. I've been building
> a couple of boats before but wanted the Elementarry more than any
> other so am lucky to have Rob around.
> >
> > Understanding some physics/sailing problems as well as the
> construction techniques is basically how one comes to appreciate Rob's
> design.
> >
> > Redoing the boat has involved alot of grinding and some working
> inside the tight spaces of the narrow hull. Hopefully others will
> benefit from trial and error and not have to change there own
Elementarry.
> >
> > From Mark's drawing Ihave changed the rudder position and method of
> attachment, basically just moving it back off the beams onto the hull,
> where it was before just about maybe a bit further back than the
> original design but a long way back compared to where I had thenm on
> the beams. The reason for this is to steer better, more resonsive and
> quicker to turnparticularily when coming out of a shunt and trying to
> bear away. You see the steering itself is better the further back you
> have the rudder, but also the further back the rudder is then more of
> the sail area is forward of the rudder, so making the boat more likely
> to bear away. So two problems sort of solve themselves there.
> >
> > I had to cut two holes and install a bulkhead as you can see. The
> glass dust killsafter a while.
> >
> > I don't like wasting the previous work done. It should have been
> done right in the first place, hopefully future elementarry builders
> will get the latest version.
> >
> > I also had not realised that the beams where meant to telescope all
> the way inside each other hence the small side and the big side. Rob
> never does this when I go down to the boat ramp with him, so what
> would actually work more efificiently is a slighly different set up,
> but I realised that only later last week or so.
> >
> > My other changes were a bigger mast tube by only 7mm diameter, but
> this gives 30percent more strength I think I worked it out. This was
> 90mm. The other one is 83. That gives a mast end of 85mm compared to
> 78mm minus a mill of gawhich I like to fill in with grease stops
> sticky squeeking.
> >
> > I've got another 2-3 weeks till relaunch, using old masts
temporarily.
> > The new beams were half weight at about 12kg, and the new deck will
> be about half weight using polycore 19mm.
> > I reduced the deck area down to 2sqms from 2.4sqms..
> >
> > I'm spending more on the carbon and polycore and saving weight
> compared to the cheaper kiri wood and glass structure before.
> >
> > I never used a GPS but could estimate speeds over a distance and
> although i got a good 7,8,9 knots as an average on a good day, it
> seems like the potential is there if I get the weight down , improve
> the masts and add a few extra metres of sail area.
> > It is such a small boat that sailing in a sea is always going to be
> wet riding, I really look at sailing up or down the coast with and
> offshore wind, preferably broad reaching, this is extremely easy and
> by far the quickest point. I was relaxed dry level sailing in the
> sunshine enjoying the new coast line that I had never seen on the way
> to Bunbury,which is mostly sand dunes but new territory to me. The
> rest of that triip wa a bit of testing time of it, changeable winds
> with no easy days like that first one which I was waiting and watching
> the weather forecasts before starting.
> >
> > I new I wanted the small camper/cruiser. Its so little trouble to
> pull out /put in ,anchor, build, afford, but still gets anywhere you
> want pretty much, like whats to stop one from continuing along the
> coast, like in WA if there are easterlies its fine offshore winds ,
> maybe a little swell usually 1-2m or more like 3-4m but hat just makes
> it more interesting.
> > I was sailing straight over reefs and dodging past breakers,
> probably because I like surfing.
> >
> > The best place out heere is Rottnest Island (Dutch for the little
> Quokka like mini Kangaroos there), no cars, just bicycles and a bus,
> hell surf, and a bit of a golf course.
> > Down South is the other place to go to get waves though there is no
> anchorage on that stretch of coast (except in Summer).
> >
> > Although I am honoured to one of the first to have a harryproa it
> would be good to relate to other sailors with similar boats.
> >
> > From
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > k_s_oneill <K_S_ONeill@> wrote:
> --- In harryproa@..., "Douglas Alexander Frank Haines"
> > <doha720@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Could I get some feedback on the construction photos or my trip
> photos
> > > please.
> >
> > Hi Doug
> >
> > Sure. Nice photos. :)
> >
> > Seriously, the whole thing is very interesting to me. Can you talk
> > some more about the boat? I think you changed the plans some,
right?
> > What did you do differently? What changes are you making now?
> >
> > The skinny little mast bases freak me out on an unstayed mast, but I
> > figured they were ok since it was all carbon and so on. Then I read
> > something you wrote that there was no carbon in them? Are they just
> > glass?
> >
> > Rob, is this strong enough? Why are the base tubes so skinny?
> >
> > I'm very interested in how the boat handled and how the rudders
> > worked. If you shunt from a broad reach, so on the new tack you're
> > pointing pretty high, can you sheet in the forward sail and bear off
> > under the rudder ok? Or do you have to bear off to a beam reach
> > before you shunt? Have you ever tacked the boat and gone aback? If
> > so, how does that work, did you sail it back around or use a paddle?
> >
> > Rob, do the rudders on an elementarry still end up on the beams
after
> > you shunt the boat? Is this far enough back, do you think?
> >
> > So you're cutting the beams now, how wide will the boat be when
you're
> > done?
> >
> > Really, the pictures are great, the video was great, it looks like
> > you're having a good ride. The little camper ama looks very useful.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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