Do you know which destination they are going to in NZ?  I live in New
Plymouth and I am wondering if they will be coming in here.

Cheers, Paul

Rob Denney wrote:
>
>
> Mark  received a text message from Bain last night, “Aroha on way from
> lord howe today. Eta nz 12^th . All sweet.”
>
> regards,
>
> rob
>
>

Theoretically yes- until you hit something and ruin the profile.--- In
harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
>
> Hi boffins,
>  
> So with my rudder turbulence, would sending it deeper down give better results
for both lessening side pressure per area of board and improving windward
tracking?
>  
> Doug
>  
> cabin insides very much more spacious, almost too much to know what to do
with. sure will find some use.
> is going to have little seat back, fairing/wafe spray blocking extension
coming off the side of the new cabin end curvy bits - thats on the deck just
after the beams. never mind will see in photo soon.
>
> --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rob Denney <harryproa@...>
> Subject: [harryproa] Aroha trans Tasman
> To: harryproa@...
> Date: Friday, 5 June, 2009, 3:38 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark  received a text message from Bain last night, “Aroha on way from lord
howe today. Eta nz 12th. All sweet.”
>
> regards,
>
> rob
>

Hope he has some pics and can up load his log if he has bothered to keep one.---
In harryproa@..., Rob Denney <harryproa@...> wrote:
>
> Mark  received a text message from Bain last night, "Aroha on way from lord
> howe today. Eta nz 12th. All sweet."
>
> regards,
>
> rob
>

----- Original Message -----

From: George Kuck

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:24 PM

Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's

Hello,   Thanks for the link,   It looks like it can only be used if the rudder is all the way down, when it is partially or fully retracted there is no way for it to rotate, is that correct ?  This would not work for me.  When in shallow water I would want to partially retract rudder and still be able to use it for steering up creak under power or for sailing in shallow water.  The original ruder design with rudder on side of LW hull I like since it can be partially retracted and still used, but my only concern is the limited 270 degree movement , is this a real problem or would you get use to it ?   What is the current design for rudder for 12 M Harryproa ?     Happy sailing George Kuck Chestertown, Md.   --- On Thu, 6/4/09, arttuheinonen@heinoset.net <arttuheinonen@heinoset.net> wrote: From: arttuheinonen@heinoset.net <arttuheinonen@heinoset.net> Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:11 PM Hi, Here you will find pictures: http://prao. guillard. free.fr/ Regards, Arttu > Hello, > Can you elaborate a little on the rudder.  I am not familier with the French proa. >   > Thanks > George Kuck > Chestertown, Md. > > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl> wrote: > > > From: Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Doug, >   > The in hull rudders on Ono are much the same as the ones on the French proa Des jours meilleurs. >   > Rudolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Haines > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:00 PM > Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's > > > > > > > > > Hi george and gardner, >   > are you two near each other? >   > doug >   > like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob. > > --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au > Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > Hello Arttu, >   > Hello Arttu, >   > Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat !  >   > I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping of the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and get some of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your experience with it when you get your sails.  >   > I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa or a more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new F-32.  The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two trimarans already and would like something different but I have not ruled it out.. >   > Happy sailing, > George Kuck > Chestertown, Md.     > > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > > From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> > Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM > > > > > Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing, > Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug" <rpvdb@...> wrote: > > > > Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's Visionarry, Ono . > > Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings in the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat. > > > > The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts were prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom. Evenso with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew past. Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before and once done you don't remember them. > > Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't get bored. > > Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a sudden it was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was behind schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I really would have liked to sail this boat. > > > > Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit. > > So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing height in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD. > > Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well but I noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when maneouvering. We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size when sailing. > > > > The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty. > > The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the original specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it will be able to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow. > > > > Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country. > > > > > > Rudolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

There is also the possibility of having a telescoping blade. I am leaning
towards the schooner rig as it would need less rudder down to avoid coming up
into the wind if the drive was concentrated on the forward mast and to some
extent , steering with the aft sail. It should be able to sail in very skinny
water--- In harryproa@..., Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
>
> If you have wheel steering, or can link both rudders together, then you need
to have thenm both down when doing lots of shunts so the only thing to touch
when shunting is wheel and sheet - no need to eraise/lower rudder.
> so the rudders need to be able to face either way. - so mine are not such a
type, but I suppose there is a way to link the rudders together, I heard that
China John with a harriette has done this - I wonder how.
> so the I think the rudders now are designed to clear the water by more rrom
allowing waves to miss any support ing structures and only catch blade profile.
> not too sure how many diifferent ways todo the mounting, but the blade shaft
into a tube seems pretty tight and simple - photo someplace in group pages.
>  
> dpoug
>  
> --- On Fri, 5/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@...>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> To: harryproa@...
> Date: Friday, 5 June, 2009, 7:24 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>  
> Thanks for the link,
>  
> It looks like it can only be used if the rudder is all the way down, when it
is partially or fully retracted there is no way for it to rotate, is that
correct ?  This would not work for me.  When in shallow water I would want to
partially retract rudder and still be able to use it for steering up creak under
power or for sailing in shallow water.  The original ruder design with rudder on
side of LW hull I like since it can be partially retracted and still used, but
my only concern is the limited 270 degree movement , is this a real problem or
would you get use to it ?
>  
> What is the current design for rudder for 12 M Harryproa ?
>  
>  
> Happy sailing
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.
>  
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, arttuheinonen@ heinoset. net <arttuheinonen@ heinoset.
net> wrote:
>
>
> From: arttuheinonen@ heinoset. net <arttuheinonen@ heinoset. net>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:11 PM
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here you will find pictures:
>
> http://prao. guillard. free.fr/
>
> Regards,
>
> Arttu
>
> > Hello,
> > Can you elaborate a little on the rudder.  I am not familier with the
> French proa.
> >  
> > Thanks
> > George Kuck
> > Chestertown, Md.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl>
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 1:55 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >  
> > The in hull rudders on Ono are much the same as the ones on the French
> proa Des jours meilleurs.
> >  
> > Rudolf
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Doug Haines
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:00 PM
> > Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi george and gardner,
> >  
> > are you two near each other?
> >  
> > doug
> >  
> > like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Arttu,
> >  
> > Hello Arttu,
> >  
> > Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat ! 
> >  
> > I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in
> seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping
> of the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and
> get some of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your
> experience with it when you get your sails. 
> >  
> > I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing
> experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa
> or a more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new
> F-32.  The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two
> trimarans already and would like something different but I have not
> ruled it out..
> >  
> > Happy sailing,
> > George Kuck
> > Chestertown, Md.    
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk>
> > Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing,
> > Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug"
> <rpvdb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's
> Visionarry, Ono .
> > > Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings
> in the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat.
> > >
> > > The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts
> were prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom.
> Evenso with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew
> past. Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before
> and once done you don't remember them.
> > > Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't
> get bored.
> > > Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a
> sudden it was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was
> behind schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I
> really would have liked to sail this boat.
> > >
> > > Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit.
> > > So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing
> height in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD.
> > > Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well
> but I noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when
> maneouvering. We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size
> when sailing.
> > >
> > > The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed
> maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty.
> > > The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the
> original specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it
> will be able to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow.
> > >
> > > Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the
> opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rudolf
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

-I t is possible to have this type of rudder rotate when partly lifted if it
slots into a rotatable drum. This is similar to the earlist Harrys.

  Th problems of the Rare Bird rudders are when partially lifted there is a fair
amount of helm needed. Otherwise they seem to work pretty well. The ability to
only rotate through 270 degrees is a lot more than the rudders on most boats.
Bain is pretty happy with his.
  -- In harryproa@..., George Kuck <chesapeake410@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>  
> Thanks for the link,
>  
> It looks like it can only be used if the rudder is all the way down, when it
is partially or fully retracted there is no way for it to rotate, is that
correct ?  This would not work for me.  When in shallow water I would want to
partially retract rudder and still be able to use it for steering up creak under
power or for sailing in shallow water.  The original ruder design with rudder on
side of LW hull I like since it can be partially retracted and still used, but
my only concern is the limited 270 degree movement , is this a real problem or
would you get use to it ?
>  
> What is the current design for rudder for 12 M Harryproa ?
>  
>  
> Happy sailing
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.
>  
>  
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, arttuheinonen@... <arttuheinonen@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: arttuheinonen@... <arttuheinonen@...>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> To: harryproa@...
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:11 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here you will find pictures:
>
> http://prao. guillard. free.fr/
>
> Regards,
>
> Arttu
>
> > Hello,
> > Can you elaborate a little on the rudder.  I am not familier with the
> French proa.
> >  
> > Thanks
> > George Kuck
> > Chestertown, Md.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@freeler. nl>
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 1:55 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >  
> > The in hull rudders on Ono are much the same as the ones on the French
> proa Des jours meilleurs.
> >  
> > Rudolf
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Doug Haines
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:00 PM
> > Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi george and gardner,
> >  
> > are you two near each other?
> >  
> > doug
> >  
> > like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Arttu,
> >  
> > Hello Arttu,
> >  
> > Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat ! 
> >  
> > I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in
> seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping
> of the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and
> get some of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your
> experience with it when you get your sails. 
> >  
> > I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing
> experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa
> or a more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new
> F-32.  The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two
> trimarans already and would like something different but I have not
> ruled it out..
> >  
> > Happy sailing,
> > George Kuck
> > Chestertown, Md.    
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk>
> > Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> > To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing,
> > Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug"
> <rpvdb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's
> Visionarry, Ono .
> > > Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings
> in the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat.
> > >
> > > The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts
> were prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom.
> Evenso with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew
> past. Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before
> and once done you don't remember them.
> > > Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't
> get bored.
> > > Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a
> sudden it was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was
> behind schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I
> really would have liked to sail this boat.
> > >
> > > Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit.
> > > So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing
> height in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD.
> > > Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well
> but I noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when
> maneouvering. We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size
> when sailing.
> > >
> > > The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed
> maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty.
> > > The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the
> original specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it
> will be able to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow.
> > >
> > > Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the
> opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rudolf
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi,

Here you will find pictures:

http://prao.guillard.free.fr/

Regards,

Arttu



> Hello,
> Can you elaborate a little on the rudder.  I am not familier with the
French proa.
>  
> Thanks
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@...>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> To: harryproa@...
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 1:55 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Doug,
>  
> The in hull rudders on Ono are much the same as the ones on the French
proa Des jours meilleurs.
>  
> Rudolf
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Haines
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:00 PM
> Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi george and gardner,
>  
> are you two near each other?
>  
> doug
>  
> like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob.
>
> --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Arttu,
>  
> Hello Arttu,
>  
> Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat ! 
>  
> I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in
seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping
of the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and
get some of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your
experience with it when you get your sails. 
>  
> I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing
experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa
or a more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new
F-32.  The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two
trimarans already and would like something different but I have not
ruled it out..
>  
> Happy sailing,
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.    
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk>
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing,
> Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug"
<rpvdb@...> wrote:
> >
> > Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's
Visionarry, Ono .
> > Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings
in the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat.
> >
> > The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts
were prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom.
Evenso with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew
past. Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before
and once done you don't remember them.
> > Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't
get bored.
> > Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a
sudden it was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was
behind schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I
really would have liked to sail this boat.
> >
> > Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit.
> > So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing
height in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD.
> > Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well
but I noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when
maneouvering. We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size
when sailing.
> >
> > The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed
maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty.
> > The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the
original specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it
will be able to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow.
> >
> > Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the
opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country.
> >
> >
> > Rudolf
> >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Doug Haines

To: harryproa@...

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:00 PM

Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's

Hi george and gardner,   are you two near each other?   doug   like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob. --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@yahoo.com> wrote: From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM Hello Arttu,   Hello Arttu,   Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat !    I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping of the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and get some of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your experience with it when you get your sails.    I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa or a more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new F-32.  The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two trimarans already and would like something different but I have not ruled it out..   Happy sailing, George Kuck Chestertown, Md.     --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote: From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing, Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug" <rpvdb@...> wrote: > > Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's Visionarry, Ono . > Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings in the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat. > > The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts were prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom. Evenso with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew past. Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before and once done you don't remember them. > Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't get bored. > Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a sudden it was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was behind schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I really would have liked to sail this boat. > > Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit. > So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing height in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD. > Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well but I noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when maneouvering. We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size when sailing. > > The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty. > The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the original specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it will be able to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow. > > Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country. > > > Rudolf >

Hi,

Yes, we are close by continental terms, but have only met once when
George showed me how to do this stuff. I will be building my boat in a
barn in York, PA, which is 105 miles from George's (about 3 hours
driving, not high speed roads). Once it is done, I will be keeping it
in Pasadena, MD, which is (as George says) about 70 miles by land or
20nm by sea.

I am mostly living in PA for now, but maybe I can arrange to be in MD
if George sails his reworked trimaran down.

It would be great if we ended up building the same boat, George. If
you want updated plans and to make suggestions before I get started, I
would be thrilled.

- Gardner

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, George Kuck <chesapeake410@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes we are close but Gardner has house on west shore and I am on east shore
> farther north, abought a two hour sail with good wind (I think it's 15or 20
> NM by boat) or around 70 miles by car.  He also has house in PA where I
> believe he lives and will be building boat.
>
> It would be great if we both ended up building same boat, we might be able
> to start a one design  Harry fleet on the Chesapeake !  The Harryproa should
> be a great boat for the Chesapeake bay with it's shallow draft and the many
> cove and creaks that you could go into.
>
> I am wandering what type of rudder system would be used. I do like having it
> on the LW hull but would like to know from current owners how the rudder
> works when it can only rotate around 270 degrees.  Is this a real
> inconvenience or do you get used to it to the point that it is second nature
> and you do not have to think abought it when you shunt ?  For shallow water
> how far can you raise it and still have minimal steerage under power.  And
> can rudder rotate when you hit ground sailing ?
>
> Happpy Sailing,
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Doug Haines <doha720@...> wrote:
>
> From: Doug Haines <doha720@...>
> Subject: [harryproa] chesapeake harry's
> To: harryproa@...
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 9:00 AM
>
> Hi george and gardner,
>
> are you two near each other?
>
> doug
>
> like to know how the in hull rudders are set up. Rudolf, Rob.
>
> --- On Thu, 4/6/09, George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: George Kuck <chesapeake410@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Date: Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 9:46 PM
>
> Hello Arttu,
>
> Hello Arttu,
>
> Congratulatins on the launch of your new boat !
>
> I am considering building a 12 m Harry and would be vary interested in
> seeing more pictures of your finished boat and the building and stepping of
> the mast.  I hope you can post some pictures that you may have and get some
> of the boat sailing.  Please let use know how it sails and your experience
> with it when you get your sails.
>
> I would like to hear more from other Harryproa owners of there sailing
> experience as I am still wavering between weather to build a Harryproa or a
> more conventional catamaran such as a Shuttle 28 or 31, or the new F-32.
> The F-32 is currently my last choice as I have built two trimarans already
> and would like something different but I have not ruled it out..
>
> Happy sailing,
> George Kuck
> Chestertown, Md.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
> From: Robert <cateran1949@ yahoo.co. uk>
> Subject: [harryproa] Re: Mast stepping on Arttu's boat
> To: harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:13 AM
>
> Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing,
> Robert--- In harryproa@yahoogrou ps.com.au, "Rudolf vd Brug" <rpvdb@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's
>> Visionarry, Ono .
>> Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings in
>> the lw hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat.
>>
>> The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts were
>> prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom. Evenso
>> with putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew past.
>> Always lots of small jobs to do you seem to forget about before and once
>> done you don't remember them.
>> Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't get
>> bored.
>> Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a sudden it
>> was a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was behind
>> schedule and so they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I really would
>> have liked to sail this boat.
>>
>> Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit.
>> So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing height
>> in the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD.
>> Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well but I
>> noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when maneouvering.
>> We will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size when sailing.
>>
>> The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed
>> maneouvering to get the boat tied up to the jetty.
>> The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the original
>> specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it will be able
>> to keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow.
>>
>> Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and the
>> opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country.
>>
>>
>> Rudolf
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Congratulations to Arttu and Rudolf. I wish you good sailing,
  Robert--- In harryproa@..., "Rudolf vd Brug" <rpvdb@...> wrote:
>
> Last Sunday I returned home from Finland where I worked on Arttu's Visionarry,
Ono .
> Having built his mast and boom he asked me to glue the mast bearings in the lw
hull, and to rig and step the mast on the boat.
>
> The work on the bearings was pretty straight forward as all parts were
prefabricated in my workshop and sent over with the mast and boom. Evenso with
putting mast and boom together and rigging it the days flew past. Always lots of
small jobs to do you seem to forget about before and once done you don't
remember them.
> Arttu also had a long list of small things to be done, so we didin't get
bored.
> Launching and stepping the mast went smoothly and then all of a sudden it was
a sailing boat. Without sails though as the sailmaker was behind schedule and so
they hadn't yet arrived. That was a pity as I really would have liked to sail
this boat.
>
> Ono has an enclosed bridge deck cabin where BD has the covered cockpit.
> So the deck plan looks much like Rare Bird exept for the standing height in
the cabin which on Arttu's boat is 1.65 m as on BD.
> Also there are cassette type rudders in the lw hull. They work well but I
noticed their smaller size (1.2 m deep against 2 m on BD) when maneouvering.  We
will have to wait reports from Arttu on the rudder size when sailing.
>
> The two Yamaha outboards are very good for doing the slow speed maneouvering
to get the boat tied up to the jetty.
> The rig on Ono is the same as on BD with a stiffer mast then the original
specs. It only differs in that it has running backstays so it will be able to
keep a straight jib luff in a bit of a blow.
>
> Arttu, I wish you happy sailing, thanks for your hospitality and  the
opportunity to have a look around your beautifull country.
>
>
> Rudolf
>

Hi everybody,

We have finally got the mast stepped and it looks great.  Yesterday we received
sails. Next friday we will go for sailing tests.  I will put some photos into
the files section as soon as we get the sails on.

Regards,

Arttu

G'day,

Rare Bird's ramp is great.  Even greater if you are planning on doing
some swimming.   Weight is the panel weight plus composite hinges.  I
am less keen on trampolines on cruisers than I was as they let water
through.  Depends on your priorities.

Rudolph, Any chance of a report on Arttu's boat?

regards,

Rob

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Rudolf vd Brug <rpvdb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just got back from Arttu's Visionarry in Finland and he has a ramp as on
> Rare Bird.
> It is very usefull on a cruising boat for lots of things, you wouldn't
> regret having it.
>
> regards,
> Rudolf
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gardner Pomper
> To: harryproa@...
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:07 PM
> Subject: [harryproa] Opinions on Rare Bird's dinghy ramp
>
> Hi,
>
> I was looking at the photos of Rare Bird again, and was wondering what
> people's opinions of it are on a cruising boat. I know Rob has seen
> it. Has anyone else seen it in person?
>
> I have been planning on using the boom to lift the dinghy onto the
> crosswalk, but just realized that a ramp could fit in my layout fairly
> well. It is a bit more weight and cost, but it doesn't seem like that
> much, and looks like it would be a really easy way to the the dinghy
> on and off, as well as people.
>
> Thanks,
> - Gardner
>
>

Hi,

I was wondering if there is anyone on these forums that has hands on
experience with the Aircell polyester foam?

I have looked at their specs, which seem to be a step below the PVC
foams in strength/weight, but better in strength/cost. Their ads are
misleading, comparing 5 lb/cuft PVC foam vs 8 lb/cuft Aircell, but the
numbers on the 6lb Aircell seem adequate for my needs. I have also
gotten a sample, which seems fine.

I am looking at using this on the decks, bulkheads and above waterline
hull of the ww hull on a Harryproa. I am planning on using Airex
R63.80 below the waterline. I may go with corecell for the leeward
hull, but the ww hull on one of these boats is subject to very little
stress and I can save a significant amount on money using a lower
quality foam.

Despite all this, I don't want to use somethnig that will just fall
apart, and I have not been able to locate anyone who has actually used
it.

Thanks for any feedback.

- Gardner
York, PA

Ditto - anyone know where there's a decent fleet of WETAs in Auckland?

Geoff Lowe
Infotools
NZ +64 21 965 845
USA +1 678 761 3556



> From: Nicolas Vivier <nvivier@...>
> Organization: Icarai
> Reply-To: <harryproa@...>
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:52:45 +0200
> To: <harryproa@...>
> Subject: Re: [harryproa] WETA versus Harriette
>
> Le samedi 30 mai 2009 12:43:34 vous avez écrit:
>> Dear Harrys,
>>
>> I see the harriette competing with the WETA trimarans.
>> same length, sail area, weight sort of.
>> so put a really  purpose made rig on a harriette and polish up your
>> rudders, could be  a close one.
>
> I plan to test... as soon as I have received my harriette !
> --
> Nicolas Vivier
> Icarai
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