That's really good news.

--- In luggers-nq@..., "Michael Gregg" <mikeg@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Have just spent a couple of fun hours aboard MAISIE with new owner
Roberto, and also with Paul Kilper who a few of you know.
>
> Roberto got the boat at a knockdown price and will be moving
aboard to help pay for her. He works at Fremantle Boat Park where
the boat has been moored - and in return for being around at night
gets to keep her there - the big problem that all potential
purchasers had was where to keep/work on her, so that has worked out
very well.
>
> At the moment he really doesn't know what the future will hold -
but the boat is sound and well equipped, and he's passionate about
keeping her as a traditional boat, even if at the moment he doesn't
have the funds to take her back to original. He's keen to talk with
me and Tony Larard and Bill Leonard about where to go from here.
>
> So the good news is that another lugger has been saved and is now
again in the hands of a sympathetic owner (who's just spent five
years restoring a gaff-rigged fishing boat with Paul).
>
> Will post some pics sometime soon!
>
> Cheers,
> Michael,
> Perth, Western Australia
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael Gregg
>   To: luggers-nq@...
>   Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:24 AM
>   Subject: Re: [luggers-nq] Maisie
>
>
>
>   Yep, I'm talking to few people about the possibilitiies.
>
>   At the moment, she's a well-fitted out heavy-displacement live-
aboard launch - extensive upperworks, no rig etc. In fact, Tony H
said that if I hadn't told him what to look for, he'd have walked
straight past her. Her hull however seems sound - and original.
>
>   There seems to be two options - 1. to find an owner who will
love, cherish and keep her sound and alive as she is, for the
future, or 2. someone with the enthusiasm, knowledge and cash to put
her back to roughly original - which effectively means putting her
back into survey as a charter boat to pay (or at least offset) the
bills. The big problem is to find a berth at which work can be done -
  the  reason why the owner is now pressured into selling. It's
ironic - for several years we shared a jetty at Marko's, Fishing
Boat Harbour, Fremantle as we rebuilt the 1936 63' racing yawl
ZIGEUNER alongside Tony Larard rebuilding the lugger IDA LLOYD, and
MAISIE (and the berth at which the lugger INTOMBI was rebuilt) - but
now Marko's (Marko Sambraillo, the last of a a boat building
dynasty), the last true wooden boat-buiding yard in the harbour has
(2006) gone the way of all flesh and is now Fremantle Boat Park Pty
Ltd, home to racks of shiny fibreglass -  and they want MAISIE's
berth back.
>
>   I hope to find a happy answer, but realistically, a good owner
is hard to find. I know, my last boat was a 56'
Danish 'Spitskotter', a 1936 North Sea sailing trawler I put back
into commercial survey for sail training - even though she was in
fishing survey when I bought her, the hoops I had to jump through to
get her into sailing passenger survey were unbelievable.... Perhaps
a 16' bowsprit scared them off?! I really don't want MAISIE to leave
the state (why are there more Brooome luggers in commission outside
the state than inside?) so we're doing all we can to find a good
home... Will keep you all posted...
>
>   Cheers,
>   Michael,
>   Perth, Western Australia
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Mori Flapan
>     To: luggers-nq@...
>     Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:27 PM
>     Subject: [luggers-nq] Maisie
>
>
>     Dear All
>
>     I have heard from WA that the former lugger Maisie might be
for sale
>     for about $40,000. Do any of you know where she might find a
good
>     home?
>
>     The details that I have are as follows:
>
>     Name: Maisie
>     Type: Pearling/Cruiser
>     Official No: 117809
>     Other ID No: {20068}
>     Year built: 1903
>     Builder: Howson, Edmund & James
>     Place built: Fremantle, WA
>     Material: Wood
>     Rig: Schooner
>     Propulsion: Sail
>     Decks: 1Dk
>     Net tonnage: 12
>
>     PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b45: b10 J.Barnes: b17 Robinson
>     &Norman: b28 Robison &Norman Ltd: FREMANTLE'30: c45 sold to
>     Commonwealth Government: FREMANTLE'46: FREMANTLE@b06
>
>     Dimensions (ft): 37.80 x11.50 x4.70
>     Stem: Round
>     Figurehead: Nil
>     Stern: Counter eliptical
>
>     Status: Operational 2006
>
>     History &details: Fremantle No.30 of 1903. Fremantle No.4 of
1930.
>     1945 register closed. Fremantle No.14 of 1946. Converted to
motor
>     cruiser after 1946 &by 2006, deck raised, 8 portlights on stbd
side,
>     1mast, Cb+1.25Cw. 2006/06 sighted at Fremantle.
>
>     References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,17,28,46:Sighted(P):TonyHunt(P)
>
>     Best regards
>     Mori
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Gregg

To: luggers-nq@...

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:24 AM

Subject: Re: [luggers-nq] Maisie

Yep, I'm talking to few people about the possibilitiies.

 

At the moment, she's a well-fitted out heavy-displacement live-aboard launch - extensive upperworks, no rig etc. In fact, Tony H said that if I hadn't told him what to look for, he'd have walked straight past her. Her hull however seems sound - and original.

 

There seems to be two options - 1. to find an owner who will love, cherish and keep her sound and alive as she is, for the future, or 2. someone with the enthusiasm, knowledge and cash to put her back to roughly original - which effectively means putting her back into survey as a charter boat to pay (or at least offset) the bills. The big problem is to find a berth at which work can be done - the  reason why the owner is now pressured into selling. It's ironic - for several years we shared a jetty at Marko's, Fishing Boat Harbour, Fremantle as we rebuilt the 1936 63' racing yawl ZIGEUNER alongside Tony Larard rebuilding the lugger IDA LLOYD, and MAISIE (and the berth at which the lugger INTOMBI was rebuilt) - but now Marko's (Marko Sambraillo, the last of a a boat building dynasty), the last true wooden boat-buiding yard in the harbour has (2006) gone the way of all flesh and is now Fremantle Boat Park Pty Ltd, home to racks of shiny fibreglass -  and they want MAISIE's berth back.

 

I hope to find a happy answer, but realistically, a good owner is hard to find. I know, my last boat was a 56' Danish 'Spitskotter', a 1936 North Sea sailing trawler I put back into commercial survey for sail training - even though she was in fishing survey when I bought her, the hoops I had to jump through to get her into sailing passenger survey were unbelievable.... Perhaps a 16' bowsprit scared them off?! I really don't want MAISIE to leave the state (why are there more Brooome luggers in commission outside the state than inside?) so we're doing all we can to find a good home... Will keep you all posted...

 

Cheers,

Michael,
Perth, Western Australia

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mori Flapan

To: luggers-nq@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:27 PM

Subject: [luggers-nq] Maisie

Dear All

I have heard from WA that the former lugger Maisie might be for sale
for about $40,000. Do any of you know where she might find a good
home?

The details that I have are as follows:

Name: Maisie
Type: Pearling/Cruiser
Official No: 117809
Other ID No: {20068}
Year built: 1903
Builder: Howson, Edmund & James
Place built: Fremantle, WA
Material: Wood
Rig: Schooner
Propulsion: Sail
Decks: 1Dk
Net tonnage: 12

PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b45: b10 J.Barnes: b17 Robinson
&Norman: b28 Robison &Norman Ltd: FREMANTLE'30: c45 sold to
Commonwealth Government: FREMANTLE'46: FREMANTLE@b06

Dimensions (ft): 37.80 x11.50 x4.70
Stem: Round
Figurehead: Nil
Stern: Counter eliptical

Status: Operational 2006

History &details: Fremantle No.30 of 1903. Fremantle No.4 of 1930.
1945 register closed. Fremantle No.14 of 1946. Converted to motor
cruiser after 1946 &by 2006, deck raised, 8 portlights on stbd side,
1mast, Cb+1.25Cw. 2006/06 sighted at Fremantle.

References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,17,28,46:Sighted(P):TonyHunt(P)

Best regards
Mori

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From: Mori Flapan

To: luggers-nq@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:27 PM

Subject: [luggers-nq] Maisie

Dear All

I have heard from WA that the former lugger Maisie might be for sale
for about $40,000. Do any of you know where she might find a good
home?

The details that I have are as follows:

Name: Maisie
Type: Pearling/Cruiser
Official No: 117809
Other ID No: {20068}
Year built: 1903
Builder: Howson, Edmund & James
Place built: Fremantle, WA
Material: Wood
Rig: Schooner
Propulsion: Sail
Decks: 1Dk
Net tonnage: 12

PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b45: b10 J.Barnes: b17 Robinson
&Norman: b28 Robison &Norman Ltd: FREMANTLE'30: c45 sold to
Commonwealth Government: FREMANTLE'46: FREMANTLE@b06

Dimensions (ft): 37.80 x11.50 x4.70
Stem: Round
Figurehead: Nil
Stern: Counter eliptical

Status: Operational 2006

History &details: Fremantle No.30 of 1903. Fremantle No.4 of 1930.
1945 register closed. Fremantle No.14 of 1946. Converted to motor
cruiser after 1946 &by 2006, deck raised, 8 portlights on stbd side,
1mast, Cb+1.25Cw. 2006/06 sighted at Fremantle.

References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,17,28,46:Sighted(P):TonyHunt(P)

Best regards
Mori

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From: mflapan@...

To: luggers-nq@...

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:14 PM

Subject: RE: [luggers-nq] Ise Pearl

Dear Tony

As mentioned over the telephone, the Register of Australian and New Zealand
Ships and Boats lists the following information for Isa Pearl.

By the way, today I went to the City of Sydney Library in the Customs House
at Circular Quay and requested that they obtain the microfilms for the Sydney
Register Book of the British Australian Register. They are going to consider
the request and get back to me. Will keep you informed.

Regards
Mori

Original Name: Envy
Type: Launch?
Official No: 196366
Later names: Ise Pearl-b01b02b05
Designer: Wright, Norman
Year built: 1956
Builder: Crowley, Charles Qld
Material: Wood
Rig: Gaff ketch
Propulsion: Aux screw
Engine: Motor diesel
Decks: 1Dk

PORTS and owners: BRISBANE'56: CAIRNSb01b02b05: c05b07 Warren Burton

Dimensions (ft): 52.72'
Bow: Round
Figurehead: Nil
Stern: Counter
Fitted with coachhouse aft

Status: Operational 2007

History &details: Brisbane No.7 of 1956. Renamed for the famous Japanese
cultured pearl town of 'Ise'. 2003/07 participated in gaffer fleet regatta
from Airlie Beach, Qld to Langford Reef &return. Fully restored by 2005.
Featured in Warner Bros production of "Tales of the South Seas", nd. 2005
operating charters on Whitsunday Islands for up to 8 guests.

References: Ar01,02:Int(P):TonyHunt:Wba1

http://www.airliebeach.com/private-charters/welcome.html


>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@yahoogroups.com.au
>From: "origma2" <origma2@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:00:33 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] Ise Pearl
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@yahoogroups.com.au
>
>
>Another lugger whose origins remain somewhat mysterious is Ise Pearl,
>a well-known charter boat in the Whitsundays owned by
>Warren "Sparrow" Burton. He apparently bought her in 1989 from the
>Japanese pearl farming operation at the Escape River near the tip of
>Cape York. From an article Bob Goodall sent me, it appears that
>Burton gave her the name Ise Pearl. The article says she was built in
>Brisbane in 1956 by Charlie Crowley to a Norman Wright design.
>
>Does anyone know what her original name was? Michael Gregg tells me
>there is an ISE PEARL registered at Cairns as a launch, O/N 196366, I
>assume it's the same boat, the O/N is right for a boat built in
>Brisbane in the fifties.
>

Mori Flapan

Websites:

Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net

Maritime History Downunder Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/

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Dear Tony

As mentioned over the telephone, the Register of Australian and New Zealand
Ships and Boats lists the following information for Isa Pearl.

By the way, today I went to the City of Sydney Library in the Customs House
at Circular Quay and requested that they obtain the microfilms for the Sydney
Register Book of the British Australian Register. They are going to consider
the request and get back to me. Will keep you informed.

Regards
Mori


Original Name: Envy
Type: Launch?
Official No: 196366
Later names: Ise Pearl-b01b02b05
Designer: Wright, Norman
Year built: 1956
Builder: Crowley, Charles Qld
Material: Wood
Rig: Gaff ketch
Propulsion: Aux screw
Engine: Motor diesel
Decks: 1Dk

PORTS and owners: BRISBANE'56: CAIRNSb01b02b05: c05b07 Warren Burton

Dimensions (ft): 52.72'
Bow: Round
Figurehead: Nil
Stern: Counter
Fitted with coachhouse aft

Status: Operational 2007

History &details: Brisbane No.7 of 1956. Renamed for the famous Japanese
cultured pearl town of 'Ise'. 2003/07 participated in gaffer fleet regatta
from Airlie Beach, Qld to Langford Reef &return. Fully restored by 2005.
Featured in Warner Bros production of "Tales of the South Seas", nd. 2005
operating charters on Whitsunday Islands for up to 8 guests.

References: Ar01,02:Int(P):TonyHunt:Wba1

http://www.airliebeach.com/private-charters/welcome.html


>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@...
>From: "origma2" <origma2@...>
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:00:33 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] Ise Pearl
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>
>
>Another lugger whose origins remain somewhat mysterious is Ise Pearl,
>a well-known charter boat in the Whitsundays  owned by
>Warren "Sparrow" Burton.  He apparently bought her in 1989 from the
>Japanese pearl farming operation at the Escape River near the tip of
>Cape York.  From an article Bob Goodall sent me, it appears that
>Burton gave her the name Ise Pearl.  The article says she was built in
>Brisbane in 1956 by Charlie Crowley to a Norman Wright design.
>
>Does anyone know what her original name was?  Michael Gregg tells me
>there is an ISE PEARL registered at Cairns as a launch, O/N 196366, I
>assume it's the same boat, the O/N is right for a boat built in
>Brisbane in the fifties.
>

Mori Flapan

Websites:

Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net

Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/

Another lugger whose origins remain somewhat mysterious is Ise Pearl,
a well-known charter boat in the Whitsundays  owned by
Warren "Sparrow" Burton.  He apparently bought her in 1989 from the
Japanese pearl farming operation at the Escape River near the tip of
Cape York.  From an article Bob Goodall sent me, it appears that
Burton gave her the name Ise Pearl.  The article says she was built in
Brisbane in 1956 by Charlie Crowley to a Norman Wright design.

Does anyone know what her original name was?  Michael Gregg tells me
there is an ISE PEARL registered at Cairns as a launch, O/N 196366, I
assume it's the same boat, the O/N is right for a boat built in
Brisbane in the fifties.

I was just speaking to the owner of SONGTON, which is in Cardwell, and
the topic of the current wherabouts of her sisters BRITON, WINSTON and
TRITON (the other three "tons") came up.  I asked Cocky Watkin, who
tells me that last he knew TRITON was in Cairns, used as a shark
fishing boat, WINSTON is in Port Douglas (now with aluminium masts)
and BRITON is at Airlie Beach in the Whitsundays, now naamed MARGERITA
(not sure about the spelling).

Does anyone have any more recent info on these boats, their
whereabouts, condition and owners?

Thanks

Tony

Tony

Thanks for the information on Torres Pearl. I have posted another
photo that shows she still has the wheelhouse.

Best regards
Mori

--- In luggers-nq@..., "origma2" <origma2@...> wrote:
>
> Mori
>
> Thanks for the pictures of TORRES PEARL.  I can't quite see in the
> photos, does she still have the big wheelhouse on the stern that
she
> had when I last saw her in Gladstone?  I understand her owners have
> restored her, she certainly looks to be in good shape.
>
> TORRES PEARL was originally built as SEDNEY, O/N 153475, launched
at
> TI in 1928 by Tsurumatsu Shiosaki (who also built GRAFTON, in 1907)
for
> the Bowden Pearling Co.  She was sold to Hockings in 1967 and her
name
> was changed to PAUA in 1968.  The register was closed in 1986, I'm
not
> sure when her name was changed to TORRES PEARL but it was before
Athol
> Pearsoll owned her in the 1990s. I took the lines off her in 2000
(or
> 2001? I forget!) in Gladstone when she was up for sale.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
> --- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@ wrote:
> > PS. I was in Lanceston in October & saw the Torres Pearl in The
> Gorge Basin.
> > I will add a photo to Lnq.
> >
> > Regards
> > Mori
>

Dear All

I have heard from WA that the former lugger Maisie might be for sale
for about $40,000. Do any of you know where she might find a good
home?

The details that I have are as follows:

Name: Maisie
Type: Pearling/Cruiser
Official No: 117809
Other ID No: {20068}
Year built: 1903
Builder: Howson, Edmund & James
Place built: Fremantle, WA
Material: Wood
Rig: Schooner
Propulsion: Sail
Decks: 1Dk
Net tonnage: 12

PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b45: b10 J.Barnes: b17 Robinson
&Norman: b28 Robison &Norman Ltd: FREMANTLE'30: c45 sold to
Commonwealth Government: FREMANTLE'46: FREMANTLE@b06

Dimensions (ft): 37.80 x11.50 x4.70
Stem: Round
Figurehead: Nil
Stern: Counter eliptical

Status: Operational 2006

History &details: Fremantle No.30 of 1903. Fremantle No.4 of 1930.
1945 register closed. Fremantle No.14 of 1946. Converted to motor
cruiser after 1946 &by 2006, deck raised, 8 portlights on stbd side,
1mast, Cb+1.25Cw. 2006/06 sighted at Fremantle.

References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,17,28,46:Sighted(P):TonyHunt(P)

Best regards
Mori

Mori

Thanks for the pictures of TORRES PEARL.  I can't quite see in the
photos, does she still have the big wheelhouse on the stern that she
had when I last saw her in Gladstone?  I understand her owners have
restored her, she certainly looks to be in good shape.

TORRES PEARL was originally built as SEDNEY, O/N 153475, launched at
TI in 1928 by Tsurumatsu Shiosaki (who also built GRAFTON, in 1907)for
the Bowden Pearling Co.  She was sold to Hockings in 1967 and her name
was changed to PAUA in 1968.  The register was closed in 1986, I'm not
sure when her name was changed to TORRES PEARL but it was before Athol
Pearsoll owned her in the 1990s. I took the lines off her in 2000 (or
2001? I forget!) in Gladstone when she was up for sale.

Regards

Tony

--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
> PS. I was in Lanceston in October & saw the Torres Pearl in The
Gorge Basin.
> I will add a photo to Lnq.
>
> Regards
> Mori

Dear Tony

Thanks for the reply and additional information.

Best regards
Mori

PS. I was in Lanceston in October & saw the Torres Pearl in The Gorge Basin.
I will add a photo to Lnq.

Regards
Mori


>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@...
>From: "origma2" <origma2@...>
>Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:30:55 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Unidentified lugger at Portsmith, Cairns
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>
>
>Hi Mori
>Looks like you got a nice fine day in Cairns, well done!
>
>Rhe boat in question is the mighty HB (the initials being those of
>Herbert Bowden), built in 1938 at TI.  A very untypical lugger, much
>larger than the average as she was built to carry live shell, for
>yet another attempt by the pearlshellers to cultivate the pearlshell
>oysters (in response to declining stocks - Regina Ganter gives a
>good account of these attempts in her book "The Pearlshellers of
>Torres Strait").  She was very popular with the military in WW2
>because of her much greater carrying capacity compared with ordinary
>luggers (described in a December 1942 report as "a good carrier with
>engine", mainly used as a ferry), and she saw extensive service in
>and around the Torres Strait during the war.
>
>HB has been undergoing a lengthy restoration by her owners, and
>while there is still a lot to do (interior and rigging) the hull is
>in very good shape.  I was aboard her a few months ago and was given
>the full tour, most interesting.  She has a series of large seacocks
>in her bottom (one row down each side) for the wet wells that used
>to be fitted in the hold.
>
>Regards
>
>Tony
>
>
>-- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Dear Luggerites
>>
>> During June I was in Cairns for a day and looked around the
>fishing
>> boat harbour at Portsmith. I came across a lugger but it had no
>name
>> and there was no-one around for me to ask as to her identity.
>>
>> I have added two photos of the boat in the Lnq Photos file. They
>can
>> be viewed at http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/luggers-
>> nq/photos/browse/6229
>>
>> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me which boat she is and
>what
>> her present status is?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Mori
>>
>
>

Mori Flapan

Websites:

Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net

Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/

Hi Mori
Looks like you got a nice fine day in Cairns, well done!

Rhe boat in question is the mighty HB (the initials being those of
Herbert Bowden), built in 1938 at TI.  A very untypical lugger, much
larger than the average as she was built to carry live shell, for
yet another attempt by the pearlshellers to cultivate the pearlshell
oysters (in response to declining stocks - Regina Ganter gives a
good account of these attempts in her book "The Pearlshellers of
Torres Strait").  She was very popular with the military in WW2
because of her much greater carrying capacity compared with ordinary
luggers (described in a December 1942 report as "a good carrier with
engine", mainly used as a ferry), and she saw extensive service in
and around the Torres Strait during the war.

HB has been undergoing a lengthy restoration by her owners, and
while there is still a lot to do (interior and rigging) the hull is
in very good shape.  I was aboard her a few months ago and was given
the full tour, most interesting.  She has a series of large seacocks
in her bottom (one row down each side) for the wet wells that used
to be fitted in the hold.

Regards

Tony


-- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Luggerites
>
> During June I was in Cairns for a day and looked around the
fishing
> boat harbour at Portsmith. I came across a lugger but it had no
name
> and there was no-one around for me to ask as to her identity.
>
> I have added two photos of the boat in the Lnq Photos file. They
can
> be viewed at http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/luggers-
> nq/photos/browse/6229
>
> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me which boat she is and
what
> her present status is?
>
> Best regards
> Mori
>

Hi Mori,

Happy New Year!

Hmmm, doesn't look too bad at all. From what Tony Hunt has told me, I'd
guess it might be either PACIFIC PEARL or HB - but I'm just guessing. Since
Bob Goodall is from there, I'm sure he'll let us know.

Cheers,
Michael

--------- Original Message --------
From: luggers-nq@...
To: luggers-nq@... <luggers-nq@...>
Subject: [luggers-nq] Unidentified lugger at Portsmith, Cairns
Date: 04/01/2007 20:20

> Dear Luggerites
>
> During June I was in Cairns for a day and looked around the fishing
> boat harbour at Portsmith. I came across a lugger but it had no name
> and there was no-one around for me to ask as to her identity.
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> be viewed at http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/luggers-
> nq/photos/browse/6229
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> her present status is?
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> Mori
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Dear Luggerites

During June I was in Cairns for a day and looked around the fishing
boat harbour at Portsmith. I came across a lugger but it had no name
and there was no-one around for me to ask as to her identity.

I have added two photos of the boat in the Lnq Photos file. They can
be viewed at http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/luggers-
nq/photos/browse/6229

I would be grateful if anyone could tell me which boat she is and what
her present status is?

Best regards
Mori

Dear Luggerites

Wishing you all a merry Xmas for 2006 and a Happy New Year.

The Spring Edition of the Quarterly journal of the Wooden Boat
Association (No.66) has a story on the Torres Strait pearling luggers
written by Garry Wood that might be of interest to you.

He spoke of a booklet prepared in 1986 by students of the Thursday
Island State High School.

Regards
Mori

Dear All

On Saturday I was at the local Manly Market and came across a copy of
Idriess's book Forty Fathoms Deep. I already have the book, but
acquired this copy for $30 just in case anyone might want a copy.

Please contact me should you be interested.

Best regards
Mori

Dear Tony,

Back on deck and looking....

To add to what you have, GONDOLIER was indeed one of those Clark brought back
from
Aru in his first fleet, and he re-registered her in Fremantle in 1917. Below are
the details
from the British Register at Fremantle.

Dimensions:
40.3 x 12.3 x 4.0, 16.54 tons GRT, 13.79 tons net

Description:
Sailing vessel, fishing (pearling lugger), ketch rigged, 2 masts, wood, straight
stem bow,
counter stern, carvel built, 1 deck,  no engine

1904: Built at Sydney NSW as GONDOLIER
Previously registered as No 11 of 1904 at Sydney
1917 Jan 26: Transferred to Fremantle and reregistered as No 34 of 1917 at
Fremantle to
James Clark of Brisbane, Qld, pastoralist & Percival Pitman Outridge of Redland
Bay, Qld,
orchardist & Isabella Mitchell Campbell of Brisbane, Qld, widow & James Theodore
Blewett
MacKenzie of Broome, pearler, joint owners
1918 Feb 24:  I M Campbell died. Probate granted 29 Aug 1918
1922 Jun 17:  R Philp died.
1923 Sep 23: Registered to J Clark, P P Outridge &  J T B MacKenzie
Register closed 19/8/1986 by virtue of Section 92 (4) of the Shipping
Registration Act
1981 - no trace of vessel or owner found
[British Register of Shipping, Fremantle]

From 1915 to 1918 she was licensed as B339 to James Clark & Co at Broome
From 1919 to 1921 she was licensed as B359 to WW Williams at Broome (note change
of
number)

The only other mention, other than the passing & incorrect one in "The Way It
Was" that I
have so far found is a fishing licence in the name of Ignatio Minervini issued
in 1934. This
appears to suggest that the boat was licensed as #3 at Geraldton in that year.
She is
described as a 15 ton ketch.

Doesn't help with her final fate, but there's some other leads that I may be
able to follow
up through time – will let you know.

Cheers,
Michael

--- In luggers-nq@..., "origma2" <origma2@...> wrote:
>
> I was recently looking through a small book called "The Way It Was",
> about the fishing community in Geraldton, WA.  I noticed it mentions a
> number of ex-luggers but one in particular caught my attention.  There
> is a nice picture of a lugger named "Gondolier" under sail, which
> according to the book was a "typical deep-keeled Thursday Island
> lugger".  According to my records Gondolier was O/N 117649, built in
> 1904 in Sydney by W. Holmes (i.e. one of the last Sydney-built
> luggers).  She was registered in Sydney (#11 of 1904) to James Clark,
> and her registration was closed in 1906 when she was "sold Dutch" i.e
> when Clark took his fleet to the Aru Islands.  She was subsequently re-
> registered in Fremantle in 1917, when Clark brought part of his fleet
> back to Australia to enter the Broome pearl fishery. I haven't seen
> this register entry yet but will look it up when I have a chance. More
> importantly, I don't know what became of her - the book doesn't mention
> her fate.  Does anyone know what happened to her (and is it possible
> she is still in existence?).  If she is I'd love to hear about it.
>

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Good Morning Luggerites, I have received email from previous owners
of Torres Herald, Allen and Barbara Southwood.

Hi Bob
Nice to have said hello last Sunday. the following is Torres
Herald's history as we know it. Torres Herald was an 18 meters
schooner built in 1938 by Norman Wright of Brisbane and used for 35
years as a missionary vessel in Torres Strait by the Church of
England. Eventually she bought by the Wathins brothers who sailed
her to Townsville and striped her to a bare hulk where she was found
and bought by Allen and Dale Southwood who took her to the
Whitsundays where she was restored and operated in the tourist trade
for the next 9 years.
In 1976 a not -to-serious race between Torres Herald and local
developer, Bob Porter's lugger Dahlia for a bottle of rum was a
genesis of the ever-expanding Whitsunday Fun
race sailed each year off Airlie Beach. Later that same year
Torres Herald returned to Thursday Island on a 6 weeks expeditation
from Mackay and return. She was received fondaly by locald and
Dignitary alike.
On 28th April in 1983 Torres Herald was at her Mooring in Shute
Harbour when she was struck by the Hayman Island 26meter barge
Centaur and badly boled. She was beached in shallow water at Snow's
Beach but was submerged by the rising tide and badly damaged. She
was pached and refloted and later she was sold to Byron Stringer and
Tim Mitchell who did some restoration work.Later she was sold to
Colin and Sue Thorburn who fully restored her but re-sold her in
2002 to Maarten and Sue Ryswyk and spent the next 4 years in Bowen.
Late in 2005 she again changed hans to Phil Boyland of Sydney and in
March 2006 was still in Bowen.

Regards  Allen Southwood

I was recently looking through a small book called "The Way It Was",
about the fishing community in Geraldton, WA.  I noticed it mentions a
number of ex-luggers but one in particular caught my attention.  There
is a nice picture of a lugger named "Gondolier" under sail, which
according to the book was a "typical deep-keeled Thursday Island
lugger".  According to my records Gondolier was O/N 117649, built in
1904 in Sydney by W. Holmes (i.e. one of the last Sydney-built
luggers).  She was registered in Sydney (#11 of 1904) to James Clark,
and her registration was closed in 1906 when she was "sold Dutch" i.e
when Clark took his fleet to the Aru Islands.  She was subsequently re-
registered in Fremantle in 1917, when Clark brought part of his fleet
back to Australia to enter the Broome pearl fishery. I haven't seen
this register entry yet but will look it up when I have a chance. More
importantly, I don't know what became of her - the book doesn't mention
her fate.  Does anyone know what happened to her (and is it possible
she is still in existence?).  If she is I'd love to hear about it.

PLOTS vessel register is well under way thanks to the efforts of Tony
Hunt. An extract from our main database is now available at `luggers-
nq' group site by clicking on the database tab, where an alphabetical
listing of nearly 300 vessels plus some identifying vitals can be
viewed. There is also a search facility for individual vessel names.
The list is a `work in progress' and is far from complete. The main
purpose is to prompt input and comment from lugger enthusiasts to help
build a comprehensive resource. Anyone with information about vessels
listed (or those that are not) please contact either Tony or myself,
or preferably, you may post a message on our group-site.
Bob Goodall

--- In luggers-nq@..., "ktlnc" <lance@c...> wrote:
>
>
> In a fit of madness two years ago I started going through the Sydney
> Register, from about 1891, just looking for boats of 7-20 net tons,
> ie, potential luggers. Lots of James Clarks' luggers were in the
list.
> There's even a letter from him dated 18 Feb 1906 (Roll 10 Vol 20)
> that had been pasted into the Register, telling the Registrar
> that he had sold the listed boats to a 'Dutch company' (ie himself
in
> the Aru Islands).
>
> I ran out of steam about 1906 :-) and never finished the list,
> but there wouldn't have been that many more from Sydney after then
> that got to Qld. But the vast majority of the Clark fleet that went
> to Broome in 1918 were clipper-bowed luggers built in 1899 in
Sydney.
> I was surprised as I'd assumed they would be Queensland-built...
>
> Best wishes,
> Kate
>


Hi Kate

Wonderful to see you here.

A fit of madness indeed!  I empathise, because I'm right in the
middle of doing the same thing, to build a database of all the TI
luggers (which Bob and I are currently putting a summary version of
into the database section of this website).  I haven't got to the
Sydney register in detail yet, but I've had a few peeks and have seen
James Clark's letter of 1906, pasted into the entry for "Albatross"
(Sydney #22 of 1899), it's quite hard to read on the microfiche, I
wonder where the original resides?

I started with the Townsville register, which is primarily post 1900
for luggers, I'm nearly finished with it so I'll move on to Brisbane
and Sydney next.  Do you have still a list from the Sydney register?
I'd love to see it if you do. After 1906 the main lugger activity in
the Sydney register occurred in 1913-14, when Burns Philp transferred
all their luggers to a subsidiary, the Wyben Pearling Co. and closed
all their registrations in Townsville, re-registering them in Sydney
(goodness knows why!). A few boats returning from Aru also pop up but
most went to WA, a few to Townsville.

When I've finished with the registers, the next job will be to start
wading through the "Daily Pilot", the Thursday Island newspaper
through most of the heyday of pearlshelling in the Torres Strait.

Cheers

Tony

--- In luggers-nq@..., "michaelgregg2002" <mikeg@d...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but does  someone know if anyone has ever done
> a biography of James Colin Clark? He was such an important figure in
> the history of pearling in WA, Qld, TI and Aru, but I know so little
> about the man himself. Given his influence in the romantic days of
> pearling, you'd suspect it would make an interesting biography, or
> at least an academic paper. Kate, another project for you?

Hi Michael,

Steve Mullins has done quite a lot on him - The Great Circle, Vol 24,
no 2, pp 22-52 has the fifth in a series of papers about TI pearling,
and concentrates on James Clark's activities at Aru.

> I'm also curious to know the relationships with all the other Clarks
> in the WA pearling industry. The British Registers in Fremantle list
> (so far, not completely transcribed):
>
> Hannah Matilda Clark of Broome, pearler
Don't know

> Victor John Clark of Broome, pearler
Vic Clark was James' nephew

> Samuel Henry James Neil Clark of Onslow, pearler ("Neil Clark")
Not a relative of JC

> James Clark of Brisbane, Qld, pastoralist (the man himself)
> James Colin Clark of Brisbane, gentleman (the man himself again)
> Arthur Stanton Clark of Port Darwin, NT, pearler
> James Clark of Onslow, merchant (1928 Nov 1: Died. Probate granted
> to Emmeline Colliar Clark of Claremont, widow, & Samuel James Onslow
> McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager)
> Emmeline Colliar Clark Clark of Onslow, merchant

> Samuel James Onslow McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager
Not a relative of JC

In a fit of madness two years ago I started going through the Sydney
Register, from about 1891, just looking for boats of 7-20 net tons,
ie, potential luggers. Lots of James Clarks' luggers were in the list.
There's even a letter from him dated 18 Feb 1906 (Roll 10 Vol 20)
that had been pasted into the Register, telling the Registrar
that he had sold the listed boats to a 'Dutch company' (ie himself in
the Aru Islands).

I ran out of steam about 1906 :-) and never finished the list,
but there wouldn't have been that many more from Sydney after then
that got to Qld. But the vast majority of the Clark fleet that went
to Broome in 1918 were clipper-bowed luggers built in 1899 in Sydney.
I was surprised as I'd assumed they would be Queensland-built...

Best wishes,
Kate

Michael

I don't know of a biography of Clark.  It would indeed be an
interesting project and there surely must be a fiar bit of material
around,  either held by the family or in various archives.  I also
have no idea what kind of records the Dutch would have kept at Dobo
but from what I can gather reading Regina Ganter's book their fishery
was in many ways better organised, regulated and policed than the
Australian ones, so there may be a heap of info there too, albeit in
Dutch.

There is a short biography on-line, including immediate family
relationships, at http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080009b.htm?
hilite=james%3Bclark

You're quite right that the Broome folk referred to themselves
as "pearlers" whereas the TI folk were quite insistent about being
referred to as "pearlshellers".  Pearls were much rarer in the TI
fishery (and generally poorer quality), and were left as a bonus to
the lugger crews - the white lugger owners made no attempt to collect
them from the crews, unlike in Broome.  Consequently, from the
boatowners perspective they were strictly in the pearlshell industry
and so insisted on being referred to as pearlshellers.  The term is
used quite universally in the registers.

Cheers

Tony

--- In luggers-nq@..., "michaelgregg2002" <mikeg@d...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but does  someone know if anyone has ever done
> a biography of James Colin Clark? He was such an important figure
in
> the history of pearling in WA, Qld, TI and Aru, but I know so
little
> about the man himself. Given his influence in the romantic days of
> pearling, you'd suspect it would make an interesting biography, or
> at least an academic paper. Kate, another project for you?
>
> I'm also curious to know the relationships with all the other
Clarks
> in the WA pearling industry. The British Registers in Fremantle
list
> (so far, not completely transcribed):
>
> Hannah Matilda Clark of Broome, pearler
> Victor John Clark of Broome, pearler
> Samuel Henry James Neil Clark of Onslow, pearler ("Neil Clark")
> James Clark of Brisbane, Qld, pastoralist (the man himself)
> James Colin Clark of Brisbane, gentleman (the man himself again)
> Arthur Stanton Clark of Port Darwin, NT, pearler
> James Clark of Onslow, merchant (1928 Nov 1: Died. Probate granted
> to Emmeline Colliar Clark of Claremont, widow, & Samuel James
Onslow
> McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager)
> Emmeline Colliar Clark Clark of Onslow, merchant
> Samuel James Onslow McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager
> James Clark of Broome, pearler (the man himself again, circa 1890?)
>
> and then there's the Clarkes with an "e", and the Clarke-Halls...
>
> And as an aside, it's interesting that the east coast registers
seem
> to use the term "pearl sheller" whilst the Fremantle Registers
> use "pearler".
>
> Cheers,
> Michael,
> Perth, Western Australia
>

Hi all,

Excuse my ignorance, but does  someone know if anyone has ever done
a biography of James Colin Clark? He was such an important figure in
the history of pearling in WA, Qld, TI and Aru, but I know so little
about the man himself. Given his influence in the romantic days of
pearling, you'd suspect it would make an interesting biography, or
at least an academic paper. Kate, another project for you?

I'm also curious to know the relationships with all the other Clarks
in the WA pearling industry. The British Registers in Fremantle list
(so far, not completely transcribed):

Hannah Matilda Clark of Broome, pearler
Victor John Clark of Broome, pearler
Samuel Henry James Neil Clark of Onslow, pearler ("Neil Clark")
James Clark of Brisbane, Qld, pastoralist (the man himself)
James Colin Clark of Brisbane, gentleman (the man himself again)
Arthur Stanton Clark of Port Darwin, NT, pearler
James Clark of Onslow, merchant (1928 Nov 1: Died. Probate granted
to Emmeline Colliar Clark of Claremont, widow, & Samuel James Onslow
McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager)
Emmeline Colliar Clark Clark of Onslow, merchant
Samuel James Onslow McKenzie Clark of Onslow, business manager
James Clark of Broome, pearler (the man himself again, circa 1890?)

and then there's the Clarkes with an "e", and the Clarke-Halls...

And as an aside, it's interesting that the east coast registers seem
to use the term "pearl sheller" whilst the Fremantle Registers
use "pearler".

Cheers,
Michael,
Perth, Western Australia

Grafton has been slipped at Cairns with worm problems, result of cheap
antifoul. Looks like about 6 planks to be replaced. Also the balance
of super structure on deck will be removed during this time. See
photos posted.

Hi Michael, the medallion you enquire belongs to a timber plaque of a
lugger half model donated to the Wooden Boat Assoc of Cairns by the
Maritime Museum of Cairns as a clubhouse gift. Apparently a few of
these ornaments were produced to adorn the walls of a local hotel, and
later obtained at auction after a refurbishment. Its authenticity is
doubtful (TH has already identified some design flaws in the vessel
depicted) but I thought it made a great interim logo/motiff for our
group till we found something better. See pic in photos page.

Terrific idea, this groupsite. I'm sure that a lot of lugger information and
lugger enthusiasts
will appear out of the woodwork - and not just talking about NQ luggers, but
those from
across all of northern Australia. They did get around after all.

First though, please explain the origin of the "North Queensland Lugger"
medallion on the
home page. I'm intrigued!

Cheers,
Michael
Fremantle, WA

The new venue for WBANQ's biannual event was a success. Held in the
middle of Townsville's maritime precinct, within walking distance of
two maritime museums, cultural centre, boating club, historic slipway
and the home of local model makers. The variety of participation
activities kept visitors entertained and contestants busy, over the
two-day event. The display of visiting vessels was a  little down on
previous years, the preceding gale conditions obviously a major
factor. However there were plenty of local boats to ogle and special
treat for pearling lugger enthusiasts with the attendance of Michell
and Antonia. Berths were at a premium and well spread, an organised
ferry service to view all vessels was very popular plus a horse drawn
carriage for those visiting the Torres Strait Islanders performance
across the Ross Creek. In all a great weekend and congratulations to
the organisers for a job well done.

Hi all, Tony Hunt is my name, I've been pursuing an interest in
pearling luggers and their history for something like ten years now.
It's been a lot of fun and I've met lots of interesting people and
seen lots of wonderful boats along the way. I'm hoping that the
formation of this discussion group (with much thanks to Bob Goodall
for setting it up) will help keep things moving forward.

The Thursday Island pearling lugger is one of the most distinctive
vessel types to have evolved in Australia.  In addition to a
fascinating history, they are also extremely beautiful.  However,
there are only a few of them left of the hundreds that once sailed
the tropical seas of north Queensland, and despite the widespread
awareness of the TI lugger in the consciousness of the Australian
boating community, there is remarkably little information available
about them in the public domain.  For instance, ten years ago I
decided I wanted to build an accurate scale model of a named pearling
lugger.  After much searching I discovered that there were no plans
of such a vessel published anywhere.  The best I could find at the
time were the two drawings of un-named luggers in Gary Kerr's
wonderful book "Craft and Craftsmen of Australian Fishing".  I set
out to redress this gap in our knowledge of Australian maritime
history and ten years later I'm still working at it.

So, to all of you out there with an interest in pearling luggers, I'm
looking forward to sharing information, pictures and stories about
these lovely boats.

With best regards

Tony Hunt