Hi Graham
Welcome to the list. I'd be very happy to help you build an authentic
model (it's one of the reasons I've been doing this stuff!). I've
sent you an email with some contact details, I'm sure we can organise
something for you.
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., "graham.stutchbury"
<grahamstutch@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
> I have long thought of building a pearling lugger but have not found
> sufficient hull lines to get started on a reasonably authentic model.
> I have constructed a small sydney ketch, a grandbanks schooner from
> hull lines and a kit build Endeavour.
> Can you offer me hull lines that would get me started on a Torres
> Strait or a Fremantle lugger.
> Graham Stutchbury
>
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*ANTIGUA-WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT
Back in the 60's Classic yachts, which were gathered in English Harbor Antigua, had begun chartering and the captains and crews challenged each other to a race down to Guadeloupe and back to celebrate the end of the charter season. From this informal race, Antigua Race Week was formalized in 1967, and in those days all of the yachts were classics. As the years grew on, the classic yachts were slowly outnumbered but the faster sleeker modern racing yachts and 20 years later the Classic Class had diminished to a few boats and was abandoned in 1987. However this same year seven classic yachts turned out and were placed in Cruising Class 3 with the bare boats. The class was so unmatched that it was downright dangerous, so Captain Uli Pruesse hosted a meeting onboard Aschanti of Saba with several classic skippers and in 1988 the Antigua Classic Yacht Regatta was born, with 7 boats.
The Regatta has evolved into what it is today with the help of a faithful and long standing committee, and some friends who have brought notoriety to the event. In 1991, Elizabeth Meyer brought her newly refitted Endeavour and Baron Edmond Rothschild brought his 6-meter "Spirit of St Kitts" and "CSR" became the first Sponsor and inaugurated the Concours d' Elegance. After a few years, Boat International Magazine and our good friend Christian Chalmin took over the Concours d' Elegance and with the publicity their magazine gave us we gained worldwide recognition. In 1996 we created the "Spirit of Tradition Class" which has now been accepted all over the world, which gives the "New" classics, built along the lines of the old, a chance to sail alongside their sisterships. In 1999 we celebrated the first race between the J class yachts in 60 years. Mt Gay Rum has sponsored the regatta for many years, and we have recently added Officine Panerai as our first ever Platinum Sponsor.
The Antigua Classic Yacht Regatta has maintained a steady growth, hosting between 50 and 60 yachts every year and enjoys a wonderful variety of competitors including traditional craft from the islands, classic ketches, sloops, schooners, and yawls making the bulk of the fleet, together with the stunningly beautiful Spirit of Tradition yachts, J Class yachts, and Tall Ships. All of which makes a wonderful spectacle of sail, in the ideal trade wind sailing conditions of the Caribbean. The sailing combined with Antiguan hospitality, plenty of rum, sunshine, and great camaraderie, in a friendly relaxed atmosphere, places the Antigua Classic Yacht Regatta, in a class of it's own.
http://www.antiguaclassics.com
Plus Some great images at thanks to Cory Silken, Thierry Martinez, and Sally Collison
http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/08/acyr
*X ONE DESIGN
The X One Design came from the drawing board of Isle of Wight naval architect Alfred Westmacott in 1909 and records show that the class was formally established in 1911. The Cowes Division was formed in 1951 and raced regularly until the late 1980s. The Class is now looking ahead to their centenary year in 2011. Following a very successful, and well attended meeting, on Saturday 12th April at the Island Sailing Club it has been decided to move to the next stage in re-establishing a Division of XODs at Cowes with the formation of a steering group. The Cowes Combined Clubs have already made provision for XOD racing in their programme for this season and there will be an invitational series throughout July, ahead of Skandia Cowes Week. The Island S.C. had the silverware from previous years on display, all the cups need is a clean. The Cowes Harbour Commissioners have assigned 12 moorings for the XODs and three of these have already been taken. There will be a further meeting in the next few weeks time and the date, time and venue will be confirmed as soon as possible. Anyone who was unable to attend the last meeting but would like further information about the next meeting or the Division's development should email the Class Secretary on xodsec@... -- Eddie Mays
*INTERNATION 12’ DINGHY
Designed by George Cockshott, an amateur boat designer from Southport, over ninety years ago, the International Twelve Foot Dinghy became the first one-design racing dinghy to gain international recognition. Today it is virtually forgotten in the United Kingdom, but the class still enjoys a sizeable following in the Netherlands, Italy and Japan, and is regaining popularity elsewhere. This class was used for the second time as an Olympic Class in 1928 during the Amsterdam Olympics. This year's winners of the Vintage Yachting Games will sail one final VIP race during the prize giving ceremony in the Medemblik harbor using the 12' Dinghy. Each dinghy will get a special sail flying the Class logo of each winner. The sails are donated by Hagoort Sails. The owner will act as crewmember. The winner will win the VIP prize 2008!
www.vintageyachtinggames.org
www.12footdinghy.org
*LIVELY LADY
The historic yacht Lively Lady is en route to Egypt, due to arrive at the beginning of May following a three week sail from India. This leg crosses the Arabian Sea before the yacht heads into the Gulf of Aden and up into the Red Sea to reach the Suez Canal. Lively Lady is the historic wooden sailing boat that was sailed from Britain to Australia and back in 1968 by greengrocer, Sir Alec Rose. Now, Lively Lady is being sailed around the world by a crew of adults and young people, as part of a project to help disadvantaged young adults realise their potential. The vessel is due to arrive at Port Ghalib before heading to Abu Tig Marina for a stopover of around five days, due to arrive there around 6th May. While in port, the boat will be visited by Eastern Electronics, the long standing sales and service agent for Raymarine. After that, Lively Lady will travel through the Suez Canal before heading across the Mediterranean Sea to Valetta, Malta. The adventures of those onboard are being followed by people across the globe via the dedicated Lively Lady website (www.livelylady.net ). Since the yacht left the UK at the end of July in 2006 the 14 skippers and 30 young adults who have taken part so far, have sailed their way across the Atlantic and the Pacific. The project has been sponsored by marine electronics manufacturer Raymarine which is headquartered in Portsmouth, England - the city in which Sir Alec Rose lived and worked. When Sir Alec Rose bequeathed the boat to the city of Portsmouth, he intended that she should be used to help disadvantaged young adults realise their potential. The Raymarine Lively Lady Project is headed up by British ocean adventurer Alan Priddy who was inspired as a child by Sir Alec Rose. With the Raymarine Lively Lady Project, Alan is continuing this legacy, creating an exciting challenge which will see the boat returning to Portsmouth UK on 5 July 2008, having spent approximately 260 days at sea covering more than 28,000 nautical miles.
*VENTURE
Venture, An Elegant Edwardian Period Yacht, By G.L. Watson. Unexpected circumstances require the present owner to stop the restoration of VENTURE. She is 55' x 42' x 8'4" and 27 tons. Originally built by J. Samuel White at Cowes in 1924, she is presently located at Gannon and Benjamin Marine Railway, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, USA. This is an opportunity for a new owner to undertake this substantial, but eminently viable project at a particularly favorable exchange rate. For more information about VENTURE or Gannon and Benjamin, see
www.gannonandbenjamin.com or e-mail: gandb@...
*OLIN STEPHENS - 100 YEARS OLD
"I was lucky: I had a goal. As far back as I can remember I wanted to design fast boats." And that's exactly what Olin Stephens (b. 1908) did, starting at 19 as an apprentice with a successful 6-meter designer of the time. By 21, he'd joined forces with Drake Sparkman and began creating legends, starting with Dorade in 1930. In 1937, in collaboration with Starling Burgess, Stephens designed the Super-J, Ranger. The last of an impressive breed, Ranger was also fast; she was selected to defend the Cup after only seven races.
The Cup began again 26 years later and Stephens had used the time well, designing everything from amphibious assault vehicles and 110-foot patrol craft for WWII to timeless boats such as Baruna, Vim, Brilliant, Stormy Weather, Northern Light, and Nyala. His experience with 12-Meters such as Vim-designed and built in the 1930s yet barely eliminated in the defender trials of 1958-made him a central figure in the America's Cup until 1980, when he designed the last 12-Meter to successfully defend the Cup, Freedom, in 1980. Stephens has also been a central figure in the development of rating rules from the CCA, to IOR, to IMS, and to this day, Stephen's designs grace the waters of the world and provide a link to a bygone era. From Finisterre to Brilliant, Freedom to Nyala his designs are cherished, as is he. -- Sailing World, http://sailingworld.com/article.jsp?typeID=398&catID=608&ID=200802
Mystic Seaport Honours the 100th Birthday of Olin J. Stephens Ii
April 13, 2008, is no ordinary day. It marks the 100th birthday of America's preeminent yacht designer of the 20th century -- Olin J. Stephens II, a longtime friend and trustee of Mystic Seaport. In honour of this occasion, Mystic Seaport will host a 100-day celebration beginning April 13 commemorating the world-renowned yacht designer's life and legacy. A special exhibit highlights the festivities and features photographs, books and mementos chronicling Stephens' achievements. The exhibit will be held in the Olin J. Stephens II Reading Room in the Museum's G.W. Blunt White Building. Widely recognized as the most respected, admired and accomplished yacht designer of the 20th century, Olin Stephens once said, "I was lucky: I had a goal. As far back as I can remember, I wanted to design fast boats." And this is exactly what he did. Olin Stephens' name is most often associated with the prestigious America's Cup Race. In 1993 Stephens' and his winning designs were honored when he was inducted into the America's Cup Hall of Fame.
Olin Stephens has been honored with numerous awards throughout his career which have recognized his indelible contributions to sailing. On November 15, 2006, Mystic Seaport named him the first recipient of the Museum's prestigious America and the Sea Award -- an honor that recognizes individuals who have demonstrated outstanding achievement in the maritime world. Olin Stephens has designed more than 2,000 boats throughout his career, many of which still grace the water today. This includes our Brilliant. After eighty decades of service, he has left a lasting impact on the maritime community. His numerous designs, contributions and commitment to the worlds of yacht racing and cruising are cherished, as is he. The Museum will host a birthday celebration for Olin on Friday, May 16. Donations to Mystic Seaport made in his honor are part of the celebration. For further information, please call or email the Administration or Advancement Office.
Maureen Hennessey, Executive Assistant
Mystic Seaport: The Museum of America and the Sea
P.O. Box 6000, 75 Greenmanville Avenue, Mystic, CT 06355
ph: 860.572.5336 / fx: 860.572-5327
http://www.mysticseaport.org
*SCEPTRE AND VELSHED
Raymarine Yachtsman of the Year Sir Robin Knox-Johnston is a keen supporter of the JPMorgan Asset Management Round the Island Race. This year he will be the skipper aboard the 12M former America's Cup yacht Sceptre. No stranger to the event, Sir Robin has competed previously in Suhaili, the 32 foot ketch he built himself and in which he became the first solo, non-stop round the world sailor in 1968/9. As a contrast, last year he opted to race in a state-of-the-art Open 60. Sceptre was built in 1958 to mount the first challenge for the America's Cup after the war. Due to the general austerity of the time, the rules were changed to allow boats in the International 12 Metre Class to compete. There was little opportunity to tune Sceptre for the event and she suffered from inferior sail technology at the time. Meeting the USA defender Columbia, she was well beaten. Returning to the UK Sceptre's mast was moved aft to improve her balance and this transformed her performance. In the early 1960s, she was the boat to beat, sometimes with HRH The Duke of Edinburgh at the helm. Sceptre is now owned by Sceptre Preservation LLP, whose key objective is to safeguard this fine piece of yachting history for future generations. In this, her Golden Jubilee Year, Sceptre will be racing in the Classic Racing Yachts class. In the 1930s the America's Cup was the domain of the huge J Class boats. Ten were completed of which only three now remain. Velsheda, although not built as an AC contender, cut a dash at many events in the 1930s, including taking the King's Cup at Cowes. She has participated in the Round the Island Race on several occasions. - joining the CHS class in 1989 and 1990 and transferring to the Classic Racing Yachts class when it was formed in 1991. She then reappeared in 2001, the America's Cup Jubilee Year, after an extensive refit. The Island Sailing Club is delighted to welcome her back to the event this year when she will join the IRC class. Velsheda has been lovingly restored and in a way which makes her transition from cruising to racing yacht a straight-forward matter. This includes the addition of guardrails, which were certainly not available to her original racing crew. Up to 1,800 boats are expected out on the water for this year's JPMorgan Asset Management Round the Island Race. The standard entry fee closes on 7th June and late entries on 21st June 2008.
http://www.roundtheisland.org.uk
*ICE CREAM/WOODEN BOAT?
'Believe it! - It’s made from icecream sticks!' A Viking ship made from ice-cream sticks set sail for England from the Netherlands on Tuesday. The 15-metre (50-foot) long ship, named after the Norse god Thor, is made from 15 million recycled ice-cream sticks glued together by U.S.-born stuntman Robert McDonald, his son and more than 5,000 children. 'If you can dream it you can do it ... I want to teach children that anything is possible,' McDonald said. Badly injured as a child in a gas explosion that killed the rest of his family, he has loaded his ship with cuddly toys and plans to reach London and visit children in hospitals. He and his crew hope to cross the Atlantic later on the ancient Viking route to North America via Iceland and Greenland.
*CLIVE CAPORN
A few years ago whilst researching Caporn boats, I was referred to and spoke with Clive himself. Since his death I was wondering if anyone might have compiled a history of him so I'm just putting out the feelers. I read on your website that he donated a lot of pictures. Our interests are in his early boat building days building runabouts. Is there anyone you know who may be able to help us? Just a long shot but thought it was worth the contact
David Dixon Chairman of the www.board.net.au <http://www.board.net.au> David Dixon <dixons@...>
* INTERNATIONL REGATTA
A combined International Regatta is to be held in Cowes for Metre boats and classic racing keelboats from 22-25 July 2008 to be run by the Royal London Yacht Club - the same week as the British Classic Yacht Club Regatta which is being run in association with the Royal Corinthian Yacht Club. Good progress is being made with the organisation of the Metre & Classic Keelboat Regatta - most notably with the publication of the Notice of Race and Entry Forms which are now available from the web site, but there is plenty more information on the web site as well. It would be appreciated if owners could submit their entries as soon as possible since, as this is the first year the event is being run this way, we need an early indication of how many boats and crew we need to budget for. Also, some of the problems of last year were caused by too many late entries which we want to avoid. The closing date is 31st May, after which a late fee will apply. Entries may be submitted online or an entry form downloaded from the web site: http://www.classickeelboats.org and an on-line payment facility is available. NoR is also available from the Royal London Yacht Club website -
http://www.royallondonyc.co.uk
*CLASSIC RACE DUE TO RETURN TO RAMSGATE
Tall ships return to Ramsgate when one of Europe's biggest classic sailing ship races returns to the town's Royal Harbour Marina.
The Race of the Classics is now into its 20th year and will see a flotilla of around 20 tall ships leaving Rotterdam, heading for Ostend, before sprinting over to Ramsgate, the only British stop on the route. From there, the ships will spend the night in Ramsgate, before racing to their final stop in the Dutch town of Ijmuiden. All the stops on the route are weather and tides permitting. The ships are due to arrive at Ramsgate's Royal Harbour Marina, weather permitting, on the morning of Thursday 17 April and are due to leave around lunchtime the following day. The race is organised by students and the ships are crewed by a mixture of international students, accompanied by professional sailors, all competing for the Challenge Cup. It is the largest event of its kind in Europe to involve non-professionals on tall ships.
For the latest information on the Race of the Classics and the expected arrival time at Ramsgate's Royal Harbour Marina see
http://www.portoframsgate.co.uk
*BRAND V
A Norwegian enthusiast is looking for information on a missing Eight Meter.She was designed by Johan Ankers and named "Brand V" Appatently she ended her days in a fire in Sydney, Australia. This might have been in 1952. Perhaps she has been rescued.Any information contact the editor. stuff@...
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King Jr.
Hi Tony
I have long thought of building a pearling lugger but have not found
sufficient hull lines to get started on a reasonably authentic model.
I have constructed a small sydney ketch, a grandbanks schooner from
hull lines and a kit build Endeavour.
Can you offer me hull lines that would get me started on a Torres
Strait or a Fremantle lugger.
Graham Stutchbury
Hi Folks
I thought you may be interested to see WAITOA, a lovely old lugger
originally built in TI in 1904 for Ernest Cleveland, one of the
larger parling fleet owners of the time and one of those who didn't
accompany Clark to the Dutch East Indies in 1906. WAITOA worked up
until WW2, when she was immobilised at TI and so by 1945 was in very
poor shape. However, it seems she was repaired and worked for
Bowdens until they went bust in 1961. After that she was operated
by the Waitoa Pearling Company, and eventually wound up at Southport
in private ownership, where her current owner bought her (date to be
confirmed). She's an interesting boat and still in good sailing
condition, regularly gracing the waters of Moreton Bay. Her owner
was kind enough to allow me to take the lines off her while she was
slipped to repair a leaking butt joint.
I've put a couple of photos in a folder.
Cheers
Tony
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*OLD BOATS RULE
Cabo San Lucas (April 1, 2008)---Amid an armada of high-powered, high-tech ocean racers and smaller boats sailed aggressively by energetic youth, top honors in Balboa Yacht Club's race from Corona del Mar to Cabo San Lucas may be going to a 50-year-old wooden boat with a mostly AARP crew. This is not an April Fool's joke. The morning after Magnitude 80, Doug Baker's Andrews 80 from Long Beach, broke its own course record by virtually surfing the 800 nautical miles in 2 days 10 hours 23 minutes 27 seconds, Chris Calkins' "double-ender" Sabrina, a Calkins 50 from San Diego, finished in 3 days 22 hours 40 minutes 30 seconds to wrest the overall lead on corrected handicap time from Tom Garnier's Reinrag2, a J/125 from Portland, Ore. Calkins' boat was designed by his father, with all the comforts of the good old days. "I think it was the only wood boat in the race," Calkins said. "I know it was the oldest boat." -- Read on: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/08/0401
*MERRYMAID
Merrymaid, the superb Charles Nicholson-designed gaff cutter originally built by Camper & Nicholsons in 1904 but was re-launched recently at Southampton Yacht Services following a major re-fit. Having spent years in a mud berth in Essex after the Second World War, like so many vessels of her ilk, she was rescued and started sailing again in the Mediterranean towards the end of the last century. In her latest re-fit in which Piers Wilson's team at SYS were able to get to the core of her problems, a special cradle had to be constructed to support the yacht while half the stem, the keelson, the stern knee and the stern post were replaced. The interior has also been completely restored, a lot of it with new teak joinery and new engineering and electrical systems have been installed. Martins Rigging have attended to her complex rig and and a new suit of sails from Lawrence Sailmakers has been cut. Merrymaid has been undergoing extensive sea trials in the Solent and will soon return to the classic yacht circuit. -- David Glenn/Yachting World, www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20080202180950supersailworld.html
*SCHOONER ATLANTIC LAUNCHED
Hardinxveld-Giessendam, Holland: ATLANTIC was designed by William Gardner, one of America's foremost designers of the beginning of the 20th century. The builders then were Townsend & Downey at Shooter's Island, New York. She was launched on July 28th 1903 and made her first trial trip in October at the rate of 15 knots. No one could then foresee that the schooner would gain enduring fame in 1905 under command of the renowned captain Charlie Barr setting the record for a transatlantic crossing from New York to The Lizard on the south coast of England at 12 days, 4 hours and 1 minute. A mono-hull record that stood for 100 years. At 10:30am March 15, coinciding with local high water, the launching ceremony for the recreated ATLANTIC is performed by 9 year old Atlan Kastelein, whose father Ed is masterminding the build of the legendary schooner. ATLANTIC will be rigged and fitted out for a passage to the south of France early next year. There the finishing is expected to take another year. The schooner measures 56.43 meters (185') over the bows, excluding bowsprit and mizzen boom outboard of respectively 8.76 meters (28'8) and 4.05 meters (13'3). With her beam of 8.85 meters (29') and draft of 5.00 meters (16'5) her displacement is 395 tons. From the different sail plans of the original, the record setting 1905 rig of 1,720m2 (18,500 square feet) has been chosen for the recreated yacht. Assisted by yacht historian John Lammerts van Bueren, Ed Kastelein has gathered copies of drawings of the original schooner from various archives in the USA, amongst which the MIT Museum in Massachusetts. Doug Peterson, acting as consulting naval architect, has digitized the original plans guaranteeing the authenticity of the lines and floatation. The structural designs for the construction by today's methods and materials, like a welded instead of a riveted hull, have been produced by the naval engineering company MasterShip Services at Eindhoven. They too have completed the t! ask of updating the design without changing an inch to the sacred aesthetics of the original. In the old design for example all 96 steel frames were spaced at 558.8mm (22 inches) and this has been adhered to for the sake of authenticity. The building takes place under Bureau Veritas classification for charter yachts. It will still be a while before the new ATLANTIC will serve for luxury charter. Below decks accommodation is to be realized for twelve guests and eleven crew with every imaginable comfort. The crew quarters and the modern galley are ready to be installed. The pantry and laundry will follow within weeks. Though not yet fully finished, ATLANTIC will be sailing again soon. And no doubt she will have a crack at beating the time the original yacht made to cross the Atlantic in 1905!
*HAMILTON ISLAND
The 25th Anniversary Edition of Audi Hamilton Island Race Week is destined to be a classic regatta in every possible sense as some of Australia’s best known old yachts, including famous maxis, will be joining the fleet. These grand old ladies will bring an alternative and stimulating dimension to the competition as they represent the opposite end of the sailing spectrum to that seen with the modern Grand Prix racers. Race Week is scheduled from August 23 to 30, and leading the way to the series for the classic yacht competition will be one of Australia’s best known Grand Dames of the sea, the 44-year old Fidelis, owned by Nigel Stoke, from Sydney. Designed by Norway’s Knud Reimers, and built in New Zealand from triple-planked kauri, the 61ft Fidelis crossed the Tasman to Sydney in 1966 and claimed line honours in the Hobart race for then owner Jim Davern. Once in Hobart’s Constitution Dock Davern regaled the media and well-wishers with a wide range of wonderful stories. When one journalist asked how such a long, lean and low profile design handled rough weather offshore he quipped, "Easy. We just sound the klaxon horn as we submerge and breathe through the mast."
Stoke has owned Fidelis for more than a decade, and in that time the ‘old girl’ has been beautifully maintained. Her condition seemingly belies the fact that she has covered an extraordinary number of miles offshore, including the 2006 Hobart Race. Stoke is hoping that a significant number of classic yachts will compete alongside Fidelis at Race Week in what promises to be a memorable competition.
http://www.boatingoz.com.au/?page=25240
*PENDENNIS
20 Years of Pendennis: Marine Museum at Cornwall
Over the past 20 years, Falmouth has been treated to a flotilla of stunningly beautiful yachts, sailing out of Pendennis stable like highly trained race horses facing the Grand National. Established in 1988, the shipyard has achieved two decades of enormous activity, handling over 100 projects, growing the workforce to a base of 280 and building a reputation as a world leader in refit, restoration and new build. This achievement is being celebrated with an anniversary exhibition from 1 April to 27 July. The world renowned shipyard was initially developed by Peter de Savary as a base for his Blue Arrow project - a challenge to the Americas Cup. De Savary soon recognised the employees and Falmouth's potential for boat building excellence and Pendennis Shipyard was born. Near disaster struck in 1994, when the yard suffered a horrific fire which consumed three hulls, including the well know classic Adela, the Dubois designed Mamamouchi and the composite sloop Ocean 23 - later called Ocean Phoenix after her rise from the ashes. Adela's beauty now could not have been imagined when she lay on mudbanks near Brightlingsea in the early 1990s. However, an American owner fell in love with her rotting timber schooner frame, knew that she had the potential to be one of the world's greatest classic yachts and had her floated and towed from Lowestoft to Falmouth. He clearly recognised the excellence of the shipyard's work and despite the fire in 1994, Adela has become one of the world's most respected superyachts. As a consequence of her rise from the mudflats of the East Coast to the blue waters of the best sailing oceans in the world, her story is told within the new exhibition.
www.nmmc.co.uk
* J CLASS
The J-Class Association will soon make an announcement to the press that a fourth replica is to be built. Details are scant at present, but a contract has been signed between an owner and a shipyard for the build of the yacht. She will join two other replicas in build at the moment of Endeavour II and of a Ranger variant - as well as a replica of the original Ranger built in 2002. With the three original Js that are still sailing - Shamrock V, Velsheda and Endeavour - the total class will increase in number from four to seven. -- http://tinyurl.com/2f4z8x
* CLASSIC YACHT CRASH
Owners Sue After Crash of Classic Yachts. The owners of a 103-year-old sailing yacht that sunk during the Museum of Yachting's Robert Tiedemann Classic Regatta last summer are suing the owners of the 94-foot yacht Sumurun for more than $1 million. The lawsuit, filed against A. Robert Towbin of New York City and Armin Fischer of Camden, Maine, was submitted to U.S. District Court in Portland March 5 by Jed Pearsall and William Doyle, both of Newport. The suit stems from a dramatic collision during a July 7 charity race for the Museum of Yachting in which Sumurun struck and sank Msres. Pearsall and Doyle's classic sloop Amorita. Named by Sail Magazine in January 1994 as one of the "100 Greatest Yachts in America," Amorita met a quick demise in approximately 55 feet of water just south of Beavertail. Sumurun, designed by William Fife and built in 1914, was originally commissioned for Lord Sackville of Kent. Amorita, originally designed by H.R. Herreshoff in 1904, was one of two New York 30s involved in the July crash. Also involved was the Alera, based out of Booth Harbor, Maine. Following two appeals by Mr. Towbin, the U.S. Sailing Appeals Committee found that Sumurun caused all the collisions and broke at least four rules, including one of them twice. According to the appeals committee, "Sumurun was properly found at fault for the subject collision through private resolution of disputes in an agreed-upon forum akin to arbitration which met the requirements for due process and Sumurun is therefore responsible for the collision." In all, Amorita sustained damages, losses and expenses estimated at $1 million. In order to compensate their loss, the plaintiffs are asking that Sumurun be "arrested," condemned and sold. In addition, Mr. Pearsall and Mr. Doyle are also seeking unspecified "consequential" and punitive damages. -- Tom Shevlin www.eastbayri.com/story/329745500488987.php
"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present. In this limitless nation, this nation of wind, light, and peace, there is no other ruler besides the sea." Bernard Moitessier-
Goodness me! That's an amazing body of work, Mori. It will take me
a while to go through it, but it's a wonderful resource for the NSW
boating community, it deserves to be much more widely known.
I might have to write a piece about you for AFLOAT!
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear luggerites
>
> I have just spent the last two weeks compiling a list of NSW
> Shipbuilders and Boatbuilders from the information gathered so far
on
> the Register of Australian and New Zealand Ships and Boats. There
are
> over 1000 builders listed that covers a total of more than 4200
vessels.
>
> As you would be aware, there were a number of pearling luggers
built
> in Sydney. You can identify builders that constructed new pearling
> luggers by searching on the word "pearling" using the find
function of
> you browser.
>
> You can access the web page through the website
www.boatregister.net.
> Just click on the link at the upper right hand corner of my home
page.
>
> As usual, I would be grateful to receive any information on
additions
> or corrections via the email address on the web page. Even better,
if
> you have a lot of information on a vessel, use the word template
> accessible through the following link and either attach it to an
email
> or post it to me.
>
> http://www.boatregister.net/ANZRegisterForm.doc
>
> I hope you find the information of interest.
>
> Best regards
> Mori
>
Dear luggerites
I have just spent the last two weeks compiling a list of NSW
Shipbuilders and Boatbuilders from the information gathered so far on
the Register of Australian and New Zealand Ships and Boats. There are
over 1000 builders listed that covers a total of more than 4200 vessels.
As you would be aware, there were a number of pearling luggers built
in Sydney. You can identify builders that constructed new pearling
luggers by searching on the word "pearling" using the find function of
you browser.
You can access the web page through the website www.boatregister.net.
Just click on the link at the upper right hand corner of my home page.
As usual, I would be grateful to receive any information on additions
or corrections via the email address on the web page. Even better, if
you have a lot of information on a vessel, use the word template
accessible through the following link and either attach it to an email
or post it to me.
http://www.boatregister.net/ANZRegisterForm.doc
I hope you find the information of interest.
Best regards
Mori
Hi folks
In yet more lugger news from NQ (yes, I have a backlog to catch up
on) I was very fortunate to have an opportunity to see the lugger
MITCHELL up on the slip in Innisfail a couple of weeks ago, and take
the lines off her. Many thanks to her owner, John Krestyn, who was
very obliging; thanks also to Bob Goodall for providing me with
accommodation for the weekend (and dinner!).
MITCHELL (O/N 125001) was built in Fremantle in 1909 and operated in
the Broome fleet until 1930, mainly for Streeter & Male. She was a
typical Freo boat, straight stem, elliptical stern, ~36 feet long,
12 tons.
It appears she then went into the fishing industry from 1931. She
was last registered as a LFB in Geraldton in 1977, where she was
bought by a gent named Edi Hrovatin, who sailed her around to Airlie
Beach in Queensland. John K bought her there in 1995 and has done a
lot of work to her since, so she's in good seaworthy condition
although her rig and cabin layout is of course non-original. I've
posted a few pictures in the photo section for your interest. As
these show, the hull is still largely original (except for some
minor surgery at the stern for the propeller aperture when an engine
was first installed). As such she is one of only two remaining
examples of this type of lugger that I know of - the other is RoseF
in Bunbury, which I've also posted a picture of for comparison.
Cheers
Tony
Hi folks, in more lugger news from north Queensland I see that
WINSTON is up for sale. She was one of the four "-ton" sisters
built in Cairns for J.B. Witt, the others were SONGTON, TRITON and
BRITON. Remarkably, all are still afloat. Below is the description
in the ad, and I've posted a picture in the photo section as well.
Let's hope she finds a good owner.
Cheers
Tony
PEARL LUGGER 52 KETCH RIG-WINSTON. Built in 1956 this timber lugger
has been beautifully restored in 2005 to be an efficient motor
sailor/sailing vessel. Fast economical cruising at 12 L/ph. 9 knots
+. Boasting a full recon 6LXB Gardner main, new gear box, 240/415v
Izuzu 4JB1 32kva genset, solar with large battery bank, 12v family
size fridge, 12v 150L freezer, large ss gas oven, new masts/rigging
ss staunchion/handrail, 500L fresh water, 3000L diesel, Muir winch,
3 anchors, comprehensive nav system, toilet/shower, sleeps 6, large
galley/saloon, seperate lounge, TV/DVD, aft /cab utility room, 15ft
covered aft deck, easy water access off large duck board. A perfect
vessel for tropical cruising, and families. Cheap to run and lots of
fun!
Dear Mike
Thanks for the update. Yes, my feeling is that this vessel is unlikely to
have been a pearling lugger. However, if asked I would have guessed she might
be pre-war rather than post war. This is because of the very plumb stem and
flat sheer.
However, I will be interested to hear whatever more you might uncover.
BTW. Today I went out on Sydney harbour for a Aboriginal cultural cruise
to Clark Island on the Halvorsen Built former WW2 RAN torpedo recovery vessel
Deerubbin, owned by the Tribal Warrior Association. They also own the former
lugger Tribal Warrior, ex Mina. We came alongside her at Blackwattle Bay.
They also do cultural charters with the Tribal Warrior though apparently
it is as reserve boat. The cost of the cruise of $55 per head is well worth
it.
The website fo rthe Tribal Warrior Association is:
http://www.tribalwarrior.org/
Best regards
Mori
>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@...
>From: "michaelgregg2002" <mikeg@...>
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:02:32 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Rex O/N 118537
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>I've finally tracked down the owner of the launch REX, the putative former
>Broome lugger
>now at Goolwa, SA.
>
>I've spoken to both him and the former owner, but reluctantly, I'm inclined
>to think this is
>a washout. The boat is actually for sale at the moment for $86k, and can
>be seen at:
>http://www.tmhi.com.au/shop/?p=productsMore&iProduct=115&sName=River-Cruiser
>
>Note the stem and stern shapes, and the very flat sheer. Additionally the
>owner tells me
>the beam is c9 foot and draft 3'6". Even disregarding those dimensions,
if
>she was a
>Broome lugger with the counter cut off, she would have been 42' plus before
>that
>happened, which doesn't match the REX of 1903, O/N: 118537. The other addenums,
>the
>raised foredeck and extensive cabin are known to be later additions (c late
>1950s)
>
>If there is a trail leading back to WA, my guess is that she might be the
>post-war REX
>built by Drago Sambraillo at East Fremantle - which never worked as a lugger,
>but whose
>whereabouts I don't know.
>
>Anyway, I'm in Adelaide next week and am arranging to meet the current and
>former
>owners, and to check out the boat in Goolwa. Even if she's not a lugger,
>she's a nice early
>50s river launch.
>
>Cheers,
>Michael
>Perth, Western Australia
>
>
>--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mike
>>
>> The photo of Rex shows a straight stem. I cannot quite see the stern.
>>
>> Regards
>> Mori
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >To: luggers-nq@...
>> >From: "Mikeg" <mikeg@...>
>> >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:45:29 +1000
>> >Subject: Re: [luggers-nq] Rex O/N 118537
>> >Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > <p>Well spotted Mori!<BR><BR>There's enough there to suggest
>> they could
>> >be the same boat and there's evidence that at least some of the boats
>> >that went to Koepang with Sewell & Cross in the late 20s did make it
>> >back to WA.<BR><BR>I didn't get a copy of the Goolwa guide this year,
>even
>> >though my old boat should be in it, but they were supposed to be having
>> a
>> >photo of each boat - is there a pic? If so, what shape are the bow and
>> >stern?<BR><BR>I gather it currently doesn't have a rig which is a pity.
>> >Nonetheless, if it still retains its registration beam, this could be
>the
>> >last known example of an un-rebuilt 1900s Broome lugger - definitely
worth
>> >further investigation.<BR><BR>Mind you, I can't say that a Broome lugger
>> >makes much sense to me in the shallow waters around Goolwa. Very
>> >strange!<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Michael<BR><BR><BR>
>> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid;">
>> ><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial;">--------- Original Message --------<BR>From:
>> >luggers-nq@yahoogro<wbr>ups.com.au<BR>To: "luggers-
>nq@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com.au"
>> ><luggers-nq@yahoogro<wbr>ups.com.au><BR>Subject: [luggers-nq] Rex O/N
>> >118537<BR>Date: 05/09/2007 00:00<BR><BR>
>> ><DIV id="ygrp-text">
>> ><P>Dear all<BR><BR>I came across a boat in the SA Wooden Boat &Music
>> >Festival 2007<BR>Commemorative Reference Guide as follows: <BR><BR>Name:
>> >Rex<BR>Port Goolwa<BR>Owner: David Wade<BR>Type: Cruiser<BR>Year Built:
>> >1903<BR>Builder: Unknown<BR>Where Built: Broome, WA<BR>Construction:
Jarrah
>> >carvel planked<BR>Engine: 36bhp Volvo Penta diesel<BR>Dimensions (ft):
>36'
>> >x10'<BR>Owners: Joan & Max Tredrea: Keith Parkes: b07 David
>> >Wade<BR><BR>History: Built as a BROOME SCHOONER. The raised foredeck
was
>> >added<BR>later. She came into SA Gulf waters in the mid 1940s. Shortly
>> >after<BR>being repowered at Ardrossan in 1956 she was moved onto the
river
>> >at<BR>Goolwa. A major rebuild was completed by Freshwater Marine of
>> >Capt<BR>Sturt Marina in Goolwa in 2004-05.<BR><BR>Is it possible that
>this
>> >vessel might be the same as the following<BR>reference to the pearling
>> >lugger Rex?<BR><BR>Name: Rex <BR>Type: Pearling <BR>Official No: 118537
>> ><BR>Year built: 1903 <BR>Builder: Roy, Frank <BR>Where built: Broome,
>WA
>> ><BR>Material: Wood <BR>Rig: 2mst Sch <BR>Propulsion: Sail Net tonnage:
>12
>> ><BR><BR>PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b10 George S.Littlejohn &Henry
>> >Porter:<BR>b17 J.D.& H.A.Tolmer: b28 H.Sewell: JAVA,INDONESIA'<WBR>30
>> >Dutch owners <BR><BR>Dimensions: 34.70 x12.20 x5.50 <BR>History
>> >&details: Fremantle No.76 of 1903. 1903 pearling out of<BR>Broome, WA.
>> >1930 transferred to Java. <BR><BR>References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,<WBR>17,28
>> ><BR><BR>The narrower beam is a bit of a worry, but otherwise the details
>> >seem<BR>to correspond very well. What do others
>> >think?<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Mori
>> ><BR><BR></P></DIV><!--End group email
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>> Websites:
>>
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>>
>> Maritime History Downunder Group:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>>
>
Mori Flapan
Websites:
Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
Dear all,
I've finally tracked down the owner of the launch REX, the putative former
Broome lugger
now at Goolwa, SA.
I've spoken to both him and the former owner, but reluctantly, I'm inclined to
think this is
a washout. The boat is actually for sale at the moment for $86k, and can be seen
at:
http://www.tmhi.com.au/shop/?p=productsMore&iProduct=115&sName=River-Cruiser
Note the stem and stern shapes, and the very flat sheer. Additionally the owner
tells me
the beam is c9 foot and draft 3'6". Even disregarding those dimensions, if she
was a
Broome lugger with the counter cut off, she would have been 42' plus before that
happened, which doesn't match the REX of 1903, O/N: 118537. The other addenums,
the
raised foredeck and extensive cabin are known to be later additions (c late
1950s)
If there is a trail leading back to WA, my guess is that she might be the
post-war REX
built by Drago Sambraillo at East Fremantle - which never worked as a lugger,
but whose
whereabouts I don't know.
Anyway, I'm in Adelaide next week and am arranging to meet the current and
former
owners, and to check out the boat in Goolwa. Even if she's not a lugger, she's a
nice early
50s river launch.
Cheers,
Michael
Perth, Western Australia
--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
>
> Dear Mike
>
> The photo of Rex shows a straight stem. I cannot quite see the stern.
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >To: luggers-nq@...
> >From: "Mikeg" <mikeg@...>
> >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:45:29 +1000
> >Subject: Re: [luggers-nq] Rex O/N 118537
> >Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
> >
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> > <p>Well spotted Mori!<BR><BR>There's enough there to suggest
> they could
> >be the same boat and there's evidence that at least some of the boats
> >that went to Koepang with Sewell & Cross in the late 20s did make it
> >back to WA.<BR><BR>I didn't get a copy of the Goolwa guide this year, even
> >though my old boat should be in it, but they were supposed to be having
> a
> >photo of each boat - is there a pic? If so, what shape are the bow and
> >stern?<BR><BR>I gather it currently doesn't have a rig which is a pity.
> >Nonetheless, if it still retains its registration beam, this could be the
> >last known example of an un-rebuilt 1900s Broome lugger - definitely worth
> >further investigation.<BR><BR>Mind you, I can't say that a Broome lugger
> >makes much sense to me in the shallow waters around Goolwa. Very
> >strange!<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Michael<BR><BR><BR>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid;">
> ><DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial;">--------- Original Message --------<BR>From:
> >luggers-nq@yahoogro<wbr>ups.com.au<BR>To: "luggers-
nq@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com.au"
> ><luggers-nq@yahoogro<wbr>ups.com.au><BR>Subject: [luggers-nq] Rex O/N
> >118537<BR>Date: 05/09/2007 00:00<BR><BR>
> ><DIV id="ygrp-text">
> ><P>Dear all<BR><BR>I came across a boat in the SA Wooden Boat &Music
> >Festival 2007<BR>Commemorative Reference Guide as follows: <BR><BR>Name:
> >Rex<BR>Port Goolwa<BR>Owner: David Wade<BR>Type: Cruiser<BR>Year Built:
> >1903<BR>Builder: Unknown<BR>Where Built: Broome, WA<BR>Construction: Jarrah
> >carvel planked<BR>Engine: 36bhp Volvo Penta diesel<BR>Dimensions (ft): 36'
> >x10'<BR>Owners: Joan & Max Tredrea: Keith Parkes: b07 David
> >Wade<BR><BR>History: Built as a BROOME SCHOONER. The raised foredeck was
> >added<BR>later. She came into SA Gulf waters in the mid 1940s. Shortly
> >after<BR>being repowered at Ardrossan in 1956 she was moved onto the river
> >at<BR>Goolwa. A major rebuild was completed by Freshwater Marine of
> >Capt<BR>Sturt Marina in Goolwa in 2004-05.<BR><BR>Is it possible that this
> >vessel might be the same as the following<BR>reference to the pearling
> >lugger Rex?<BR><BR>Name: Rex <BR>Type: Pearling <BR>Official No: 118537
> ><BR>Year built: 1903 <BR>Builder: Roy, Frank <BR>Where built: Broome, WA
> ><BR>Material: Wood <BR>Rig: 2mst Sch <BR>Propulsion: Sail Net tonnage: 12
> ><BR><BR>PORTS and owners: FREMANTLE'03b10 George S.Littlejohn &Henry
> >Porter:<BR>b17 J.D.& H.A.Tolmer: b28 H.Sewell: JAVA,INDONESIA'<WBR>30
> >Dutch owners <BR><BR>Dimensions: 34.70 x12.20 x5.50 <BR>History
> >&details: Fremantle No.76 of 1903. 1903 pearling out of<BR>Broome, WA.
> >1930 transferred to Java. <BR><BR>References: Dic1:Naa1:Ranzs10,<WBR>17,28
> ><BR><BR>The narrower beam is a bit of a worry, but otherwise the details
> >seem<BR>to correspond very well. What do others
> >think?<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Mori
> ><BR><BR></P></DIV><!--End group email
> --></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
> ><BR>
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> Mori Flapan
>
> Websites:
>
> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
>
> Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>
Dear Tony
Thanks for the response. Yes, you are right, it is a pearl farming Company.
Details can be seen at http://www.junobaypearls.com/
Regards
Mori
>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@...
>From: "origma2" <origma2@...>
>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:16:14 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] FW: Re: Indian Pacific
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>
>
>Hi Mori
>
>I've not come across that name in the post-war TI pearling records.
>Does your correspondent have any info on where she operated, and
>approximately when? She might have been used for pearl farming
>rather than pearl fishing, for example. The other option might be to
>do a company search on Indian Pacific Pty Ltd, via the ASIC website -
>there is a hefty charge for a full search though, I think.
>
>She's a nice salty looking craft, I must say!
>
>Cheers
>
>Tony
>
>--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
>>
>> Dear fellow Luggerites
>>
>> The following email refers to a vessel that was owned by INDIAN
>PACIFIC PEARLS
>> PTY LTD. While not a lugger, both the owner and myself are trying
>to find
>> out more about her. I will post the photo that was attached to Tony
>Misale's
>> email into the group photos.
>>
>> Does anyone know anything about the Indian Pacific (ex Norlieen, ex
>TB11)
>> or the owners Indian Pacific Pearls?
>>
>> Regards
>> Mori
>>
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>> >To: <mflapan@...>
>> >Subject: Re: Indian Pacific
>> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:55:55 +1000
>> >
>> >
>> >Gidday Mori, just to confirm the number is 178334 carved intothe
>tug.and
>> >she
>> >is definatly 45ft (not 39).here is a pic. l will send a few others
>later
>> >on.
>> >Cheers Tony
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <mflapan@...>
>> >To: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>> >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:41 PM
>> >Subject: RE: Indian Pacific
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dear Tony
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your message enquiring about the Indian Pacific.
>> >>
>> >> I have a record for a vessel under official number 178334 that
>seems to
>> >
>> >> conflict
>> >> with the information that you have sent me. The information that
>I have
>> >is
>> >> provided below. The overall length of the vessel looks right
>(39' is a
>> >
>> >> registered
>> >> length measured to a rule). However, the information that I had
>for a
>>
>> >> vessel
>> >> called Norieen was that she was launched at Bateman's Bay as a
>trawler.
>> >>
>> >> To overcome the problem, I would suggest that you contact the
>Australian
>> >> National Maritime Museum library to ask for information on the
>British
>> >
>> >> Australian
>> >> Register for official number 178334 Sydney No.30 of 1946. That
>should
>>
>> >> clarify
>> >> if she was built in Sydney or Bateman's Bay. It is possible that
>a hull
>> >
>> >> built
>> >> in Sydney and surplus after the war was taken down to Bateman's
>Bay to
>> >be
>> >> completed. I have tried to check the Australian Register of
>Ships website
>> >> at www.amsa.gov.au but could not get through tonight to see
>whether she
>> >is
>> >> still registered under the name Norieen. You might consider
>contacting
>> >the
>> >> register as well as they can get you up to date as to the
>current
>> >> registered
>> >> ownership and recent previous owners.
>> >>
>> >> I would be grateful to hear any more that you can find out. In
>the
>> >> meantime,
>> >> I will record your interest in this vessel and will get back to
>you should
>> >> I come across anything interesting in the future.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >> Mori
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Name: Norieen
>> >> Type: Fishing+Trawler
>> >> Official No: 178334
>> >> Year/month launched: 1946/09
>> >> Where built: Bateman's Bay, NSW
>> >> Material: Wood
>> >> Propulsion: Screw
>> >> Engine: Motor
>> >>
>> >> PORTS and owners: SYDNEY'46 Clancy &Owens: '46 Belisario
>Scullino&Leonardo
>> >> Caputo: b50 Scullino, Caputo &Tuffino: b59 W.Strano: b60 Caputo:
>> >> GEELONG'81b01b02
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Length: 39.50
>> >> Status: Existent 2002
>> >>
>> >> History and details: 45' trawler. 1946/09/27 launched. Sydney
>No.30 of
>> >
>> >> 1946.
>> >> 1946-50s fishing vessel in NSW waters. 1950 08 owners seeking
>extention
>> >of
>> >> survey for one month. 1959/08 investigation as to breach of
>fisheries
>>
>> >> &Oyster
>> >> Farmer's Act. 1959/09/11 surveyed in NSW. 1960/08/08 surveyed in
>NSW.
>>
>> >> Geelong
>> >> No.1 of 1981.
>> >>
>> >> References: Ar01,02:MsbF:Naa1 f/n37021
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>-- Original Message --
>> >>>From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>> >>>To: <mflapan@...>
>> >>>Subject: RANZSB inquiry
>> >>>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:13:56 +0000
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Original_Name=TB11
>> >>>Later_Names=INDIAN PACIFIC
>> >>>Other_propulsion=DIESEL 6/71 DETROIT
>> >>>Other_Vessel_Operation=TUG/TOW BOAT
>> >>>Other_configuration=MONO HULL
>> >>>Other_hull_material=OREGEN
>> >>>Other_rig=NIL
>> >>>Number_of_masts=NIL
>> >>>Official_number=178334
>> >>>Year_Launched_Built=1946/47
>> >>>Builder=SLAZENGERS
>> >>>Place_built=NSW, AUSTRALIA
>> >>>Other_machinery=DIESEL
>> >>>Number_of_funnels=0
>> >>>Machinery_details=
>> >>>Gross_tonnage=28
>> >>>Net_tonnage=
>> >>>Units=Feet
>> >>>Length=45
>> >>>Breadth=14
>> >>>Depth=6.6
>> >>>Decks=1 deck
>> >>>Owner_1=
>> >>>Fate_details=ON HARDSTAND
>> >>>Other_fate_type=CARDWELL
>> >>>Other_bow=PLUMB BOW
>> >>>History=PREVIOUS OWNER INDIAN PACIFIC PEARLS PTY LTD.
>> >>>PREVIOUS QLD REGO-12942QB
>> >>>References=AUSTRALIAN & NEW ZEALAND WARSHIPS 1914-1945 BY ROSS
>GILLET
>>
>> >>>(DOUBLEDAY)PAGES
>> >>>228 & 253 BY OBELISK PRESSPTY LTD NSW
>> >>>B1=Submit
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Mori Flapan
>> >>
>> >> Websites:
>> >>
>> >> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats:
>www.boatregister.net
>> >>
>> >> Maritime History Downunder Group:
>> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG.
>> >> Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date:
>8/03/2008
>> >
>> >> 10:14 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Attachment: 008.JPG
>> >
>>
>> Mori Flapan
>>
>> Websites:
>>
>> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
>>
>> Maritime History Downunder Group:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>>
>
>
Mori Flapan
Websites:
Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
Hi Mori
I've not come across that name in the post-war TI pearling records.
Does your correspondent have any info on where she operated, and
approximately when? She might have been used for pearl farming
rather than pearl fishing, for example. The other option might be to
do a company search on Indian Pacific Pty Ltd, via the ASIC website -
there is a hefty charge for a full search though, I think.
She's a nice salty looking craft, I must say!
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
>
> Dear fellow Luggerites
>
> The following email refers to a vessel that was owned by INDIAN
PACIFIC PEARLS
> PTY LTD. While not a lugger, both the owner and myself are trying
to find
> out more about her. I will post the photo that was attached to Tony
Misale's
> email into the group photos.
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Indian Pacific (ex Norlieen, ex
TB11)
> or the owners Indian Pacific Pearls?
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
> >To: <mflapan@...>
> >Subject: Re: Indian Pacific
> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:55:55 +1000
> >
> >
> >Gidday Mori, just to confirm the number is 178334 carved intothe
tug.and
> >she
> >is definatly 45ft (not 39).here is a pic. l will send a few others
later
> >on.
> >Cheers Tony
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mflapan@...>
> >To: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:41 PM
> >Subject: RE: Indian Pacific
> >
> >
> >> Dear Tony
> >>
> >> Thank you for your message enquiring about the Indian Pacific.
> >>
> >> I have a record for a vessel under official number 178334 that
seems to
> >
> >> conflict
> >> with the information that you have sent me. The information that
I have
> >is
> >> provided below. The overall length of the vessel looks right
(39' is a
> >
> >> registered
> >> length measured to a rule). However, the information that I had
for a
>
> >> vessel
> >> called Norieen was that she was launched at Bateman's Bay as a
trawler.
> >>
> >> To overcome the problem, I would suggest that you contact the
Australian
> >> National Maritime Museum library to ask for information on the
British
> >
> >> Australian
> >> Register for official number 178334 Sydney No.30 of 1946. That
should
>
> >> clarify
> >> if she was built in Sydney or Bateman's Bay. It is possible that
a hull
> >
> >> built
> >> in Sydney and surplus after the war was taken down to Bateman's
Bay to
> >be
> >> completed. I have tried to check the Australian Register of
Ships website
> >> at www.amsa.gov.au but could not get through tonight to see
whether she
> >is
> >> still registered under the name Norieen. You might consider
contacting
> >the
> >> register as well as they can get you up to date as to the
current
> >> registered
> >> ownership and recent previous owners.
> >>
> >> I would be grateful to hear any more that you can find out. In
the
> >> meantime,
> >> I will record your interest in this vessel and will get back to
you should
> >> I come across anything interesting in the future.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Mori
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Name: Norieen
> >> Type: Fishing+Trawler
> >> Official No: 178334
> >> Year/month launched: 1946/09
> >> Where built: Bateman's Bay, NSW
> >> Material: Wood
> >> Propulsion: Screw
> >> Engine: Motor
> >>
> >> PORTS and owners: SYDNEY'46 Clancy &Owens: '46 Belisario
Scullino&Leonardo
> >> Caputo: b50 Scullino, Caputo &Tuffino: b59 W.Strano: b60 Caputo:
> >> GEELONG'81b01b02
> >>
> >>
> >> Length: 39.50
> >> Status: Existent 2002
> >>
> >> History and details: 45' trawler. 1946/09/27 launched. Sydney
No.30 of
> >
> >> 1946.
> >> 1946-50s fishing vessel in NSW waters. 1950 08 owners seeking
extention
> >of
> >> survey for one month. 1959/08 investigation as to breach of
fisheries
>
> >> &Oyster
> >> Farmer's Act. 1959/09/11 surveyed in NSW. 1960/08/08 surveyed in
NSW.
>
> >> Geelong
> >> No.1 of 1981.
> >>
> >> References: Ar01,02:MsbF:Naa1 f/n37021
> >>
> >>
> >>>-- Original Message --
> >>>From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
> >>>To: <mflapan@...>
> >>>Subject: RANZSB inquiry
> >>>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:13:56 +0000
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Original_Name=TB11
> >>>Later_Names=INDIAN PACIFIC
> >>>Other_propulsion=DIESEL 6/71 DETROIT
> >>>Other_Vessel_Operation=TUG/TOW BOAT
> >>>Other_configuration=MONO HULL
> >>>Other_hull_material=OREGEN
> >>>Other_rig=NIL
> >>>Number_of_masts=NIL
> >>>Official_number=178334
> >>>Year_Launched_Built=1946/47
> >>>Builder=SLAZENGERS
> >>>Place_built=NSW, AUSTRALIA
> >>>Other_machinery=DIESEL
> >>>Number_of_funnels=0
> >>>Machinery_details=
> >>>Gross_tonnage=28
> >>>Net_tonnage=
> >>>Units=Feet
> >>>Length=45
> >>>Breadth=14
> >>>Depth=6.6
> >>>Decks=1 deck
> >>>Owner_1=
> >>>Fate_details=ON HARDSTAND
> >>>Other_fate_type=CARDWELL
> >>>Other_bow=PLUMB BOW
> >>>History=PREVIOUS OWNER INDIAN PACIFIC PEARLS PTY LTD.
> >>>PREVIOUS QLD REGO-12942QB
> >>>References=AUSTRALIAN & NEW ZEALAND WARSHIPS 1914-1945 BY ROSS
GILLET
>
> >>>(DOUBLEDAY)PAGES
> >>>228 & 253 BY OBELISK PRESSPTY LTD NSW
> >>>B1=Submit
> >>>
> >>
> >> Mori Flapan
> >>
> >> Websites:
> >>
> >> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats:
www.boatregister.net
> >>
> >> Maritime History Downunder Group:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >> Checked by AVG.
> >> Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date:
8/03/2008
> >
> >> 10:14 AM
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Attachment: 008.JPG
> >
>
> Mori Flapan
>
> Websites:
>
> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
>
> Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>
Dear fellow Luggerites
The following email refers to a vessel that was owned by INDIAN PACIFIC PEARLS
PTY LTD. While not a lugger, both the owner and myself are trying to find
out more about her. I will post the photo that was attached to Tony Misale's
email into the group photos.
Does anyone know anything about the Indian Pacific (ex Norlieen, ex TB11)
or the owners Indian Pacific Pearls?
Regards
Mori
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>To: <mflapan@...>
>Subject: Re: Indian Pacific
>Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:55:55 +1000
>
>
>Gidday Mori, just to confirm the number is 178334 carved intothe tug.and
>she
>is definatly 45ft (not 39).here is a pic. l will send a few others later
>on.
>Cheers Tony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mflapan@...>
>To: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:41 PM
>Subject: RE: Indian Pacific
>
>
>> Dear Tony
>>
>> Thank you for your message enquiring about the Indian Pacific.
>>
>> I have a record for a vessel under official number 178334 that seems to
>
>> conflict
>> with the information that you have sent me. The information that I have
>is
>> provided below. The overall length of the vessel looks right (39' is a
>
>> registered
>> length measured to a rule). However, the information that I had for a
>> vessel
>> called Norieen was that she was launched at Bateman's Bay as a trawler.
>>
>> To overcome the problem, I would suggest that you contact the Australian
>> National Maritime Museum library to ask for information on the British
>
>> Australian
>> Register for official number 178334 Sydney No.30 of 1946. That should
>> clarify
>> if she was built in Sydney or Bateman's Bay. It is possible that a hull
>
>> built
>> in Sydney and surplus after the war was taken down to Bateman's Bay to
>be
>> completed. I have tried to check the Australian Register of Ships website
>> at www.amsa.gov.au but could not get through tonight to see whether she
>is
>> still registered under the name Norieen. You might consider contacting
>the
>> register as well as they can get you up to date as to the current
>> registered
>> ownership and recent previous owners.
>>
>> I would be grateful to hear any more that you can find out. In the
>> meantime,
>> I will record your interest in this vessel and will get back to you should
>> I come across anything interesting in the future.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Mori
>>
>>
>>
>> Name: Norieen
>> Type: Fishing+Trawler
>> Official No: 178334
>> Year/month launched: 1946/09
>> Where built: Bateman's Bay, NSW
>> Material: Wood
>> Propulsion: Screw
>> Engine: Motor
>>
>> PORTS and owners: SYDNEY'46 Clancy &Owens: '46 Belisario Scullino&Leonardo
>> Caputo: b50 Scullino, Caputo &Tuffino: b59 W.Strano: b60 Caputo:
>> GEELONG'81b01b02
>>
>>
>> Length: 39.50
>> Status: Existent 2002
>>
>> History and details: 45' trawler. 1946/09/27 launched. Sydney No.30 of
>
>> 1946.
>> 1946-50s fishing vessel in NSW waters. 1950 08 owners seeking extention
>of
>> survey for one month. 1959/08 investigation as to breach of fisheries
>> &Oyster
>> Farmer's Act. 1959/09/11 surveyed in NSW. 1960/08/08 surveyed in NSW.
>> Geelong
>> No.1 of 1981.
>>
>> References: Ar01,02:MsbF:Naa1 f/n37021
>>
>>
>>>-- Original Message --
>>>From: "Tony Misale" <catmandu1973@...>
>>>To: <mflapan@...>
>>>Subject: RANZSB inquiry
>>>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:13:56 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>Original_Name=TB11
>>>Later_Names=INDIAN PACIFIC
>>>Other_propulsion=DIESEL 6/71 DETROIT
>>>Other_Vessel_Operation=TUG/TOW BOAT
>>>Other_configuration=MONO HULL
>>>Other_hull_material=OREGEN
>>>Other_rig=NIL
>>>Number_of_masts=NIL
>>>Official_number=178334
>>>Year_Launched_Built=1946/47
>>>Builder=SLAZENGERS
>>>Place_built=NSW, AUSTRALIA
>>>Other_machinery=DIESEL
>>>Number_of_funnels=0
>>>Machinery_details=
>>>Gross_tonnage=28
>>>Net_tonnage=
>>>Units=Feet
>>>Length=45
>>>Breadth=14
>>>Depth=6.6
>>>Decks=1 deck
>>>Owner_1=
>>>Fate_details=ON HARDSTAND
>>>Other_fate_type=CARDWELL
>>>Other_bow=PLUMB BOW
>>>History=PREVIOUS OWNER INDIAN PACIFIC PEARLS PTY LTD.
>>>PREVIOUS QLD REGO-12942QB
>>>References=AUSTRALIAN & NEW ZEALAND WARSHIPS 1914-1945 BY ROSS GILLET
>>>(DOUBLEDAY)PAGES
>>>228 & 253 BY OBELISK PRESSPTY LTD NSW
>>>B1=Submit
>>>
>>
>> Mori Flapan
>>
>> Websites:
>>
>> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
>>
>> Maritime History Downunder Group:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 8/03/2008
>
>> 10:14 AM
>>
>>
>
>Attachment: 008.JPG
>
Mori Flapan
Websites:
Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
Hi Mori
I'm surprised thay she has an entry in the RANZS&B. She wasn't
registered was she?
In any case, MASIG is the local language name for Yorke Island, which
is one of the more remote Torres Strait Islands, located in the north
east sector immediately adjacent to the famed Darnley Deeps.
Do you have any other info on her?
Regards
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., mflapan@... wrote:
>
> Dear Tony
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> The entry on the RANZS&B indicates the original owner was
M.A.S.I.G. (York
> Island). I don't know what that the initials might stand for. Any
ideas?
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >To: luggers-nq@...
> >From: "origma2" <origma2@...>
> >Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:32:19 -0000
> >Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Kailag
> >Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
> >
> >
> >Hi Mori
> >
> >I actually spoke to the broker the other day. Apparently this
vessel
> >was sold by Maurice Drent (her owner for quite a few years and
himself
> >the owner of a large Sydney-based Australia-wide yacht brokerage)
> >several years ago and now her new owner also wants to sell. She's
> >very pretty.
> >
> >These cutters are interesting. As far as I can tell, the
Government
> >paid for a number of them to be built in the 1930s and in effect
gave
> >one to each of the larger islands for use as a general purpose
inter-
> >island sailing ferry / cargo boat. It's unclear to me whether
this
> >was under the auspices of the Island Industries Board, the Dept of
> >Native Affairs or some other scheme. I am quite sure that most or
all
> >of these boats would have done some pearling, trochus fishing and
> >beche de mer fishing on occasions, as well as their intended use
of
> >interisland communication. Later they probably did fishing and
> >crayfishing as well. They certainly look just like a pearling
lugger
> >in hull form, albeit smaller (only ~40 foot) and cutter rigged. I
> >don't know if they ever had motorised diving pumps fitted, and I
don't
> >know how they would have gone at drift diving with a cutter rig.
> >However, a lot of the Island boats still made a good living from
> >subsistence-style pearling (free diving) from marginal shell beds
that
> >the more highly capitalised commercial boats couldn't work
profitably.
> >
> >The interesting thing about Kai-lag is that I have never seen her
name
> >come up anywhere in the pearling record. I don't know if this is
> >because she "went private" early or if she has had a name change.
> >Alot of these cuttersleft a fair bit of a trail in the records
(Yaza
> >for example), but not Kai-lag.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >--- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear luggerites
> >>
> >> The cutter Kailag is advertised for sale on the following site.
They
> >> have some nice photos of her.
> >>
> >> http://web.aanet.com.au/lamoore/yacht1377.html
> >>
> >> From what Tony tells me, she was never actually a pearling
lugger,
> >but
> >> was used for interisland service. Does anyone disagree with this?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Mori
> >>
> >
> >
>
> Mori Flapan
>
> Websites:
>
> Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
>
> Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
>
Dear Tony
Thanks for the response.
The entry on the RANZS&B indicates the original owner was M.A.S.I.G. (York
Island). I don't know what that the initials might stand for. Any ideas?
Regards
Mori
>-- Original Message --
>To: luggers-nq@...
>From: "origma2" <origma2@...>
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:32:19 -0000
>Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Kailag
>Reply-To: luggers-nq@...
>
>
>Hi Mori
>
>I actually spoke to the broker the other day. Apparently this vessel
>was sold by Maurice Drent (her owner for quite a few years and himself
>the owner of a large Sydney-based Australia-wide yacht brokerage)
>several years ago and now her new owner also wants to sell. She's
>very pretty.
>
>These cutters are interesting. As far as I can tell, the Government
>paid for a number of them to be built in the 1930s and in effect gave
>one to each of the larger islands for use as a general purpose inter-
>island sailing ferry / cargo boat. It's unclear to me whether this
>was under the auspices of the Island Industries Board, the Dept of
>Native Affairs or some other scheme. I am quite sure that most or all
>of these boats would have done some pearling, trochus fishing and
>beche de mer fishing on occasions, as well as their intended use of
>interisland communication. Later they probably did fishing and
>crayfishing as well. They certainly look just like a pearling lugger
>in hull form, albeit smaller (only ~40 foot) and cutter rigged. I
>don't know if they ever had motorised diving pumps fitted, and I don't
>know how they would have gone at drift diving with a cutter rig.
>However, a lot of the Island boats still made a good living from
>subsistence-style pearling (free diving) from marginal shell beds that
>the more highly capitalised commercial boats couldn't work profitably.
>
>The interesting thing about Kai-lag is that I have never seen her name
>come up anywhere in the pearling record. I don't know if this is
>because she "went private" early or if she has had a name change.
>Alot of these cuttersleft a fair bit of a trail in the records (Yaza
>for example), but not Kai-lag.
>
>Cheers
>
>Tony
>
>--- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Dear luggerites
>>
>> The cutter Kailag is advertised for sale on the following site. They
>> have some nice photos of her.
>>
>> http://web.aanet.com.au/lamoore/yacht1377.html
>>
>> From what Tony tells me, she was never actually a pearling lugger,
>but
>> was used for interisland service. Does anyone disagree with this?
>>
>> Regards
>> Mori
>>
>
>
Mori Flapan
Websites:
Register of Australian and NZ Ships and Boats: www.boatregister.net
Maritime History Downunder Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maritime_history_downunder/
Hi Mori
I actually spoke to the broker the other day. Apparently this vessel
was sold by Maurice Drent (her owner for quite a few years and himself
the owner of a large Sydney-based Australia-wide yacht brokerage)
several years ago and now her new owner also wants to sell. She's
very pretty.
These cutters are interesting. As far as I can tell, the Government
paid for a number of them to be built in the 1930s and in effect gave
one to each of the larger islands for use as a general purpose inter-
island sailing ferry / cargo boat. It's unclear to me whether this
was under the auspices of the Island Industries Board, the Dept of
Native Affairs or some other scheme. I am quite sure that most or all
of these boats would have done some pearling, trochus fishing and
beche de mer fishing on occasions, as well as their intended use of
interisland communication. Later they probably did fishing and
crayfishing as well. They certainly look just like a pearling lugger
in hull form, albeit smaller (only ~40 foot) and cutter rigged. I
don't know if they ever had motorised diving pumps fitted, and I don't
know how they would have gone at drift diving with a cutter rig.
However, a lot of the Island boats still made a good living from
subsistence-style pearling (free diving) from marginal shell beds that
the more highly capitalised commercial boats couldn't work profitably.
The interesting thing about Kai-lag is that I have never seen her name
come up anywhere in the pearling record. I don't know if this is
because she "went private" early or if she has had a name change.
Alot of these cuttersleft a fair bit of a trail in the records (Yaza
for example), but not Kai-lag.
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear luggerites
>
> The cutter Kailag is advertised for sale on the following site. They
> have some nice photos of her.
>
> http://web.aanet.com.au/lamoore/yacht1377.html
>
> From what Tony tells me, she was never actually a pearling lugger,
but
> was used for interisland service. Does anyone disagree with this?
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
Dear luggerites
The cutter Kailag is advertised for sale on the following site. They
have some nice photos of her.
http://web.aanet.com.au/lamoore/yacht1377.html
From what Tony tells me, she was never actually a pearling lugger, but
was used for interisland service. Does anyone disagree with this?
Regards
Mori
Dear all,
To add to the list of data that is out there, I have transcribed the
complete Registers of British Shipping, Fremantle, from 1856 to 1969
(volumes 1 to 8), from ancient photocopies made about 15 years ago when the
original ledgers were held at Customs House in Fremantle. Yet another job to
do is to find out whether Customs still has the missing Volume 9
(1970-1982), or whether as Tony suggests they have gone to a central
repository.
I have also transcribed all still extant pearling licence registers for
Broome (ie complete from 1905 to 1972, partial before 1905), and partial
registers for the other pearling ports of Shark Bay, Onslow, Cossack and
Port Hedland. The originals of those are widely scattered mostly between WA
Fisheries Dept and State Records Office.
There are also correspondence files relating to licensing of WA luggers,
divers and fleet operations held by the same two organisations - too many,
and too disorganized to list(!) - held by the same two bodies.
And as Tony suggests, National Archives WA office holds more files relating
to British Registers including the very informative Form 51 surveyors
reports.
Finally, for boats licensed in WA at any point, I've recently gained access
to the arcvhived files of the WA Dept of Planning and Infrastructure
(formerly Dept of Transport, before that Dpet of Harbours and Lights) which
contains files on every vessel ever commercially registered, including the
commercial suveys and photos of them, which may prove a goldmine in tracking
down missing luggers in later l;ife.
Regards,
Michael
Perth, WA
--------- Original Message --------
From: luggers-nq@...
To: luggers-nq@... <luggers-nq@...>
Subject: RE: [luggers-nq] Re: Access to records on registered vessels
Date: 07/02/2008 21:38
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> My thoughts were to start a database and
> each participant would add from their own experience. Unfortunately, I
have
> found that I don’t have permission to start a database under LNQ.
>
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>
> Regards
>
> Mori
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> From:
> luggers-nq@... [mailto:luggers-nq@...] On
Behalf Of origma2
> Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008
> 2:12 PM
> To: luggers-nq@...
> Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Access
> to records on registered vessels
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> Mori
>
> It's a good suggestion. Are you volunteering to coordinate the
> effort? If we did this I suggest it is something that we should
> probably try to engage both the state and national archives in,
> which could complicate the whole exercise though. I know, for
> example, that the National Archives in Sydney hold a lot of the
> original paperwork filed for shipping registrations (for the Port of
> Sydney) and I believe that the Perth branch of the NAA has more ,
> although I haven't examined those files yet.
>
> The originals of the British Registers (i.e. the bound volumes) are
> presumably held in a dimly-lit vault somewhere in Canberra. It was
> my belief that they had all been microfilmed but from what you say
> it may be that there is more material yet to come to light.
>
> These are just some initial thoughts, I hope they help.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
> --- In luggers-nq@...,
> "Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> > Further on references for registers, I would be grateful for any
> > information as to the location and extent of British Australian
> > Register records around Australia.
> >
> > To start with, as mentioned previously, the Australian Nationam
> > Maritime Museum Library holds microfilm copies for most Australian
> > ports. Previously, they seemed to go back to the 1850s but I
> noticed
> > last time that I was there that they had some new reels going back
> > earlier.
> >
> > The Archives Office of NSW holds some patchy records of Sydney
> > registrations in the 1820s and 1830s.
> >
> > A compilation of New Zealand
> registered vessels has been published
> by
> > Watts, Dr M.N. called New Zealand
> Registered Ships 1840-1950. The
> > microfilm copy at the State Library of NSW was published by BAB
> > Microfilming, Auckland,
> NZ c1989 IBSN 0 908797362. An original
> hard
> > copy is held in the Australian
> National Maritime
> Museum library.
> >
> > I suggest that we create a database to record these references.
> What
> > do others think?
> >
> > Regards
> > Mori
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I can also add that it was not registered at Fremantle, and nor does it
appear to have been licensed at Broome, just to eliminate those two lines of
inquiry.
Regards,
Michael,
Perth, WA
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From: luggers-nq@...
To: luggers-nq@... <luggers-nq@...>
Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: lugger Brisbane
Date: 09/02/2008 12:40
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> Hi Don
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> I'm afraid that I've looked right through the Townsville registrations,
> from 1870 through to 1970, and I never came across a lugger named
> BRISBANE. Neither was it registered in Sydney, Brisbane or Darwin (the
> other main ports of registry used by Thursday Island pearlers) as far
> as I can determine, I've been through them all. Many luggers weren't
> ever registered, because in Queensland this wasn't a requirement until
> well into the 20th century, and even then it was frequently ignored!
>
> I hope you don't mind if I ask what is your particular interest in the
> lugger BRISBANE?
>
> Regards
>
> Tony Hunt
>
> --- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben"
<brabendon@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> > Many thanks for your replies to my query, esp Kate's with the info
> > about arriving from Thursday Is. Qld NAA is trying to find the
> > registrations for T'ville, not available when I visited.
> > Appreciate your help.
> > Don
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Hi Don
I'm afraid that I've looked right through the Townsville registrations,
from 1870 through to 1970, and I never came across a lugger named
BRISBANE. Neither was it registered in Sydney, Brisbane or Darwin (the
other main ports of registry used by Thursday Island pearlers) as far
as I can determine, I've been through them all. Many luggers weren't
ever registered, because in Queensland this wasn't a requirement until
well into the 20th century, and even then it was frequently ignored!
I hope you don't mind if I ask what is your particular interest in the
lugger BRISBANE?
Regards
Tony Hunt
--- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben" <brabendon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All
> Many thanks for your replies to my query, esp Kate's with the info
> about arriving from Thursday Is. Qld NAA is trying to find the
> registrations for T'ville, not available when I visited.
> Appreciate your help.
> Don
>
Hi All
Many thanks for your replies to my query, esp Kate's with the info
about arriving from Thursday Is. Qld NAA is trying to find the
registrations for T'ville, not available when I visited.
Appreciate your help.
Don
My thoughts were to start a database and
each participant would add from their own experience. Unfortunately, I have
found that I don’t have permission to start a database under LNQ.
Regards
Mori
From:
luggers-nq@... [mailto:luggers-nq@...] On Behalf Of origma2 Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008
2:12 PM To: luggers-nq@... Subject: [luggers-nq] Re: Access
to records on registered vessels
Mori
It's a good suggestion. Are you volunteering to coordinate the
effort? If we did this I suggest it is something that we should
probably try to engage both the state and national archives in,
which could complicate the whole exercise though. I know, for
example, that the National Archives in Sydney hold a lot of the
original paperwork filed for shipping registrations (for the Port of
Sydney) and I believe that the Perth branch of the NAA has more ,
although I haven't examined those files yet.
The originals of the British Registers (i.e. the bound volumes) are
presumably held in a dimly-lit vault somewhere in Canberra. It was
my belief that they had all been microfilmed but from what you say
it may be that there is more material yet to come to light.
These are just some initial thoughts, I hope they help.
Regards
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@yahoogroups.com.au,
"Mori Flapan" <mflapan@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Further on references for registers, I would be grateful for any
> information as to the location and extent of British Australian
> Register records around Australia.
>
> To start with, as mentioned previously, the Australian Nationam
> Maritime Museum Library holds microfilm copies for most Australian
> ports. Previously, they seemed to go back to the 1850s but I
noticed
> last time that I was there that they had some new reels going back
> earlier.
>
> The Archives Office of NSW holds some patchy records of Sydney
> registrations in the 1820s and 1830s.
>
> A compilation of New Zealand
registered vessels has been published
by
> Watts, Dr M.N. called New Zealand
Registered Ships 1840-1950. The
> microfilm copy at the State Library of NSW was published by BAB
> Microfilming, Auckland,
NZ c1989 IBSN 0 908797362. An original
hard
> copy is held in the AustralianNationalMaritimeMuseum library.
>
> I suggest that we create a database to record these references.
What
> do others think?
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
Hi Tony,
I photocopied the relevant pages from the bound copies at the Museum and
Art Galley of the NT when I was there in 2002, I think. I imagine the NT
state library might have copies too. There's not a lot to them, it's
just the progression over time that's interesting, especially the
development of the various industries and revenues the NT got from them.
One day when I'm feeling energetic I'll collate it all. After 1908,
whoever the new Resident was had not the slightest interest in pearling,
so there's almost nothing about luggers again till 1919.
Best wishes,
Kate
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 06:07:24AM -0000, origma2 wrote:
> Hi Kate
>
> Great info (as always!) Out of curiosity, where did you find Mr
> Dashwood's reports? They look like an interesting read.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> --- In luggers-nq@..., Kate Lance <lance@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > There's bits on the Darwin luggers from the Government Resident's
> > reports on the Northern Territory. From 1892 there were entries on
> the
> > pearlshell industry and the movements of luggers, and from 1895 to
> 1908
> > the Resident (bless him) would actually list the vessel names and
> their
> > tonnages.
> >
> > In the 1896 report Mr Justice Dashwood wrote: 'On June 6th the
> pearling
> > schooner Revenge, of 17 tons, arrived from Dobo. On the 11th, the
> > pearlers Minnehaha, Sapphire, and Brisbane arrived from Thursday
> Island.
> > These vessels, after procuring their licences, commenced diving
> > operations.'
> >
> > In the 1987 report there is a description of the cyclone and a
> list of
> > casualties, including: 'Pearling lugger Brisbane, 11 tons,
> foundered;
> > could not be found; four lives lost.'
> >
> > Interesting sidelight on a shift in terminology: in 1896, the 10
> to 15
> > ton vessels were listed as 'schooners', while those they actually
> called
> > 'luggers' were only 5 tons each (a group of four - Airlie, Bull
> Dog,
> > Black Jack and Nebraska). But by the 1897 report the Resident was
> > calling all of the pearling boats, irrespective of size and
> > schooner-rigged or not, generally 'luggers'. 'Schooner' was used
> only
> > for the 113-ton Flowerdale.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Kate
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:51:02PM -0000, Mori Flapan wrote:
> > > Dear Don
> > >
> > > At this stage the register of Australian and New Zealand Ships
> and
> > > Boats that I compile (see www.boatregister.net) has little more
> to add
> > > to what you have written already. Apparently she was 11 tons net
> and
> > > one of 19 pearling luggers that were lost with 10 lives during
> the
> > > cyclone. I have no record that she was registered on the British
> > > Australian Register. However, Port Darwin was a port of registry
> at
> > > that time and my references to this period regarding Port Darwin
> > > registered vesssels are far from complete. It would be worth
> checking
> > > the microfilms held by the National Archives of Australia or the
> > > National Maritime Museum library in Sydney (there may be other
> places
> > > that hold them). I am pretty sure that she was not registered at
> > > Brisbane under that name.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Mori
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben" <brabendon@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for any information about the lugger BRISBANE that
> was
> > > > destroyed in the cyclone of 1897 at Darwin.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Don
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo!7 Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo!7 Groups Links
>
>
>
As an aside, the only two luggers of those you name from the
Government Resident's reports that I have come across before are:
REVENGE, which is probably O/N 89312, a 45 foot 2 masted lugger
rigged (yes, the register is quite specific) boat of 17.17 tons,
built in 1884 by W.M. Ford at Berry's Bay in Sydney and first
registered 12/11/1884 in Sydney, #128 of 1884, to Joseph Tucker of
Sydney, shipowner. It was mortgaged 16/11/1884 to TG Kelly. Kelly
was adjudged bankrupt and WH Palmer appointed official assignee
20/8/1895. Sold 19/3/1896 to Colin William Fraser of Sydney,
merchant. The register was closed in 1953, noting that registered
owner died in 1926, and there was no trace of vessel. Mori's
database says REVENGE was lost in the cyclone off Darwin 7/1/1897,
presumably the same cyclone that claimed BRISBANE.
SAPPHIRE, which is probably O/N 83717, a 38 foot two masted lugger-
rigged vessel of 12.6 tons, built in 1882 by Ah Foy in Hong Kong and
first registered 9/12/1882 in Sydney, #108 of 1882, to Walter S.
Boon of Prince of Wales Island, Torres Strait Qld. There are no
further register entries, the register was closed in 1953 with no
trace of the registered owner and a note that the vessel was
supposed to have been wrecked at Cape Melville in the great cyclone
of 1899.
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., Kate Lance <lance@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> There's bits on the Darwin luggers from the Government Resident's
> reports on the Northern Territory. From 1892 there were entries on
the
> pearlshell industry and the movements of luggers, and from 1895 to
1908
> the Resident (bless him) would actually list the vessel names and
their
> tonnages.
>
> In the 1896 report Mr Justice Dashwood wrote: 'On June 6th the
pearling
> schooner Revenge, of 17 tons, arrived from Dobo. On the 11th, the
> pearlers Minnehaha, Sapphire, and Brisbane arrived from Thursday
Island.
> These vessels, after procuring their licences, commenced diving
> operations.'
>
> In the 1987 report there is a description of the cyclone and a
list of
> casualties, including: 'Pearling lugger Brisbane, 11 tons,
foundered;
> could not be found; four lives lost.'
>
> Interesting sidelight on a shift in terminology: in 1896, the 10
to 15
> ton vessels were listed as 'schooners', while those they actually
called
> 'luggers' were only 5 tons each (a group of four - Airlie, Bull
Dog,
> Black Jack and Nebraska). But by the 1897 report the Resident was
> calling all of the pearling boats, irrespective of size and
> schooner-rigged or not, generally 'luggers'. 'Schooner' was used
only
> for the 113-ton Flowerdale.
>
> Best wishes,
> Kate
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:51:02PM -0000, Mori Flapan wrote:
> > Dear Don
> >
> > At this stage the register of Australian and New Zealand Ships
and
> > Boats that I compile (see www.boatregister.net) has little more
to add
> > to what you have written already. Apparently she was 11 tons net
and
> > one of 19 pearling luggers that were lost with 10 lives during
the
> > cyclone. I have no record that she was registered on the British
> > Australian Register. However, Port Darwin was a port of registry
at
> > that time and my references to this period regarding Port Darwin
> > registered vesssels are far from complete. It would be worth
checking
> > the microfilms held by the National Archives of Australia or the
> > National Maritime Museum library in Sydney (there may be other
places
> > that hold them). I am pretty sure that she was not registered at
> > Brisbane under that name.
> >
> > Regards
> > Mori
> >
> >
> > --- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben" <brabendon@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking for any information about the lugger BRISBANE that
was
> > > destroyed in the cyclone of 1897 at Darwin.
> > > Thanks
> > > Don
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo!7 Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
Hi Kate
Great info (as always!) Out of curiosity, where did you find Mr
Dashwood's reports? They look like an interesting read.
Cheers
Tony
--- In luggers-nq@..., Kate Lance <lance@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> There's bits on the Darwin luggers from the Government Resident's
> reports on the Northern Territory. From 1892 there were entries on
the
> pearlshell industry and the movements of luggers, and from 1895 to
1908
> the Resident (bless him) would actually list the vessel names and
their
> tonnages.
>
> In the 1896 report Mr Justice Dashwood wrote: 'On June 6th the
pearling
> schooner Revenge, of 17 tons, arrived from Dobo. On the 11th, the
> pearlers Minnehaha, Sapphire, and Brisbane arrived from Thursday
Island.
> These vessels, after procuring their licences, commenced diving
> operations.'
>
> In the 1987 report there is a description of the cyclone and a
list of
> casualties, including: 'Pearling lugger Brisbane, 11 tons,
foundered;
> could not be found; four lives lost.'
>
> Interesting sidelight on a shift in terminology: in 1896, the 10
to 15
> ton vessels were listed as 'schooners', while those they actually
called
> 'luggers' were only 5 tons each (a group of four - Airlie, Bull
Dog,
> Black Jack and Nebraska). But by the 1897 report the Resident was
> calling all of the pearling boats, irrespective of size and
> schooner-rigged or not, generally 'luggers'. 'Schooner' was used
only
> for the 113-ton Flowerdale.
>
> Best wishes,
> Kate
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:51:02PM -0000, Mori Flapan wrote:
> > Dear Don
> >
> > At this stage the register of Australian and New Zealand Ships
and
> > Boats that I compile (see www.boatregister.net) has little more
to add
> > to what you have written already. Apparently she was 11 tons net
and
> > one of 19 pearling luggers that were lost with 10 lives during
the
> > cyclone. I have no record that she was registered on the British
> > Australian Register. However, Port Darwin was a port of registry
at
> > that time and my references to this period regarding Port Darwin
> > registered vesssels are far from complete. It would be worth
checking
> > the microfilms held by the National Archives of Australia or the
> > National Maritime Museum library in Sydney (there may be other
places
> > that hold them). I am pretty sure that she was not registered at
> > Brisbane under that name.
> >
> > Regards
> > Mori
> >
> >
> > --- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben" <brabendon@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking for any information about the lugger BRISBANE that
was
> > > destroyed in the cyclone of 1897 at Darwin.
> > > Thanks
> > > Don
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo!7 Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
Hi Mori,
> Further on references for registers, I would be grateful for any
> information as to the location and extent of British Australian
> Register records around Australia.
All of the major state offices of the NAA hold (or are supposed to hold)
a complete set of microfilms of all of the Registers of British Ships
for all the Australian ports. The originals are not available for
viewing.
Below is my reference list for the NAA reels, per state and port,
extracted from NAA online searches. It is complete as regards NAA
records, but the data itself is sometimes painfully incomplete. (Note
that at some offices if you want to see the microfilms you need to
organise it beforehand, as they can keep them in cold storage and they
need days or a week to warm up very slowly.)
Regards,
Kate
NOTE 1: The optimistically named Main Register, Port of Darwin, A7548,
has only 27 vessels in it! I'll send a summary of it after this mail.
NOTE 2: How to read the list below - e.g. The reel with NAA reference
number A7518 would have the actual registration details for vessels at
Townsville, and A7519 would usually be a brief list of the vessels by
name - but there were great variations port to port.
NOTE 3: The list should be read/printed in a monospaced font, ie like
typewriter text, or it will be all over the place.
Register of British Ships records from the National Archives of Australia
QLD========================================================================
QLD CAIRNS
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Cairns.
A7517 WHOLE SERIES 1951 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649853
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD TOWNSVILLE
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Townsville.
A7518 WHOLE SERIES 1884 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649881
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Townsville.
A7519 WHOLE SERIES 1886 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649858
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD ROCKHAMPTON
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Rockhampton.
A7528 WHOLE SERIES 1973 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649857
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Rockhampton.
A7529 WHOLE SERIES 1866 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649879
RoBS: Continuation of Register, Port of Rockhampton.
A7530 WHOLE SERIES 1877 - 1901
Open Canberra Barcode 649877
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD GLADSTONE
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Gladstone.
A7520 WHOLE SERIES 1968 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649855
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Gladstone.
A7521 WHOLE SERIES 1968 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649854
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD BUNDABERG
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Bundaberg.
A7522 WHOLE SERIES 1899 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649852
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD MARYBOROUGH
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Maryborough.
A7523 WHOLE SERIES 1968 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649856
RoBS: Continuation of Register, Port of Maryborough.
A7526 WHOLE SERIES 1870 - 1883
Open Canberra Barcode 649875
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Maryborough.
A7527 WHOLE SERIES by 1868 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649868
------------------------------------------------------------------------
QLD BRISBANE
RoBS: Main Register subsequent to Merchant Shipping Act 1854, Port of Brisbane.
A7531 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1898
Open Canberra Barcode 649849
RoBS: Main Register subsequent to Merchant Shipping
Act 1854, Port of Brisbane.
A7532 WHOLE SERIES 1898 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649850
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Brisbane.
A7533 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649848
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port of Brisbane.
A7534 WHOLE SERIES circa 1958 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649846
RoBS: Continuation register, Port of Brisbane.
A7545 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1927
Open Canberra Barcode 649851
NSW========================================================================
NSW NEWCASTLE
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port of Newcastle.
A7572 WHOLE SERIES circa 1849 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649895
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Newcastle.
A7573 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649864
RoBS: Main Register prior to Merchant Shipping Act 1854, Port of Newcastle.
A7574 WHOLE SERIES 1849 - 1855
Open Canberra Barcode 649898
RoBS: Main Register subsequent to Merchant Shipping
Act 1854, Port of Newcastle.
A7575 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649899
RoBS: Continuation of Register, Port of Newcastle.
A7576 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1970
Open Canberra Barcode 649878
------------------------------------------------------------------------
NSW SYDNEY
RoBS: Port of Sydney. Single number series (I).
C1 WHOLE SERIES 1827 - 1855
Open Canberra Barcode 649890
RoBS: Port of Sydney. Single number series (II).
C2 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649891
RoBS: Port of Sydney
C3 WHOLE SERIES 1888 - 1916
Open Canberra Barcode 649867
Alphabetical index to RoBS (Port of Sydney).
C5 WHOLE SERIES 1948 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649902
RoBS: Register of Transactions subsequent to First Registry, Port of Sydney.
C19 WHOLE SERIES 1857 - 1953
Open Canberra Barcode 649903
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port of Sydney.
C2367 WHOLE SERIES 1834 - 1849
Open Canberra Barcode 649897
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Sydney
A7580 WHOLE SERIES 1947 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649866
------------------------------------------------------------------------
NSW PORT KEMBLA
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port Kembla.
A7577 WHOLE SERIES 1970 - 1980
Open Canberra Barcode 649896
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Port Kembla.
A7578 WHOLE SERIES 1955 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649865
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Port Kembla.
A7579 WHOLE SERIES 1971 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649889
VIC========================================================================
VIC MELBOURNE
Collector of Customs Melbourne RoBS - Main Register prior to Merchant
Shipping Act 1854 Port Melbourne
B1231 WHOLE SERIES 1839 - 1855
Open Melbourne Barcode 851956
RoBS: Main Register prior to Merchant Shipping Act 1854, Port Melbourne.
B1231 WHOLE SERIES 1839 - 1855
Open Canberra Barcode 649900
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port Melbourne.
A7555 WHOLE SERIES circa 1965 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649894
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port Melbourne.
A7556 WHOLE SERIES 1978 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649863
RoBS: Main Register subsequent to Merchant Shipping Act 1854, Port Melbourne.
A7609 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649901
RoBS: Continuation of Register, Port Melbourne.
A7610 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649876
------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIC GEELONG
RoBS: Main Register Port of Geelong.
A7552 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649886
------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIC PORT FAIRY
RoBS: Main Register Port Fairy.
A7553 WHOLE SERIES 1854 - 1895
Open Canberra Barcode 649887
------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIC PORTLAND
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Portland.
A7554 WHOLE SERIES 1961 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649888
TAS=======================================================================
TAS BURNIE
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Burnie.
A7557 WHOLE SERIES 1974 - 1980
Open Canberra Barcode 649860
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - register of British ships, Port of Burnie
A7558 VOL 1 1971 - 1980
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840727
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Burnie.
A7558 WHOLE SERIES 1971 - 1980
Open Canberra Barcode 649883
------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAS DEVONPORT
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Devonport.
A7559 WHOLE SERIES 1968 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649861
Aust Customs Service, Tasmania - register of British ships -
appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Devonport
A7559 CUST65 1969 - 1981
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840208
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Devonport.
A7560 WHOLE SERIES 1969 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649884
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - register of British ships, Port of
Devonport
A7560 VOL 1 1969 - 1981
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840728
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAS LAUNCESTON
Register of British ships (Launceston). Appropriation book for official
numbers of British registered ships. [Newspaper clippings and hand written
notes relating to ships lost in Tasmanian waters are located at the back of
the volume]
P556 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Hobart Barcode 649688
RoBS [Main register for the Port of Launceston]
P559 WHOLE SERIES 1846 - 1982
Open Hobart Barcode 329022
------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAS HOBART
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Hobart.
A7561 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649862
RoBS: Main Register (with continuation entries), Port
of Hobart. [This register is a continuation of volumes 1-6, which are held
by the Tasmanian State Archives]
A7562 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649885
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 7 1854 - 1855
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840729
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 8 1859 - 1865
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840730
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 9 1865 - 1877
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840731
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 10 1877 - 1898
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840732
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 11 1872 - 1911
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840733
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 12 1911 - 1930
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840734
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 13 1931 - 1964
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840735
Aust Maritime Safety Authority - RoBS, Port of Hobart
A7562 VOL 14 1964 - 1978
Not yet examined Hobart Barcode 7840736
SA========================================================================
SA ADELAIDE
RoBS: Main Register prior to Merchant Shipping Act 1854, Port Adelaide.
A7505 WHOLE SERIES 1838 - 1855
Open Canberra Barcode 649818
RoBS: Continuation of Register, Port Adelaide.
A7506 WHOLE SERIES 1841 - 1855
Open Canberra Barcode 649843
RoBS: Certificates of Registry, Port Adelaide.
A7507 WHOLE SERIES 1838 - 1844
Open Canberra Barcode 649844
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port Adelaide.
A7508 WHOLE SERIES circa 1847 - circa 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649813
RoBS: Main Register subsequent to Merchant Shipping
Act 1854, Port Adelaide.
A7509 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649822
RoBS: Appropriation Book for official numbers, Port Adelaide.
A7510 WHOLE SERIES 1855 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649816
RoBS: Registry of shipping deeds book, Port Adelaide.
A7511 WHOLE SERIES 1920 - 1965
Open Canberra Barcode 649845
WA========================================================================
WA FREMANTLE
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Fremantle.
A7498 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649808
RoBS: Index by name of ship, Port of Fremantle [Index
covers CRS A7498, Main Register 1856-1982]
A7499 WHOLE SERIES circa 1968 - 1981
Open Canberra Barcode 649802
RoBS: Appropriation Book for official numbers, Port of Fremantle.
A7500 WHOLE SERIES 1856 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649806
NT========================================================================
NT DARWIN
RoBS: Index by name of ship, port of Darwin.
A7546 WHOLE SERIES circa 1960 - circa 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649893
RoBS: Appropriation book for official numbers, Port of Darwin.
A7547 WHOLE SERIES 1968 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649859
RoBS: Main Register, Port of Darwin.
A7548 WHOLE SERIES 1886 - 1982
Open Canberra Barcode 649882
==========================================================================
Hi all,
There's bits on the Darwin luggers from the Government Resident's
reports on the Northern Territory. From 1892 there were entries on the
pearlshell industry and the movements of luggers, and from 1895 to 1908
the Resident (bless him) would actually list the vessel names and their
tonnages.
In the 1896 report Mr Justice Dashwood wrote: 'On June 6th the pearling
schooner Revenge, of 17 tons, arrived from Dobo. On the 11th, the
pearlers Minnehaha, Sapphire, and Brisbane arrived from Thursday Island.
These vessels, after procuring their licences, commenced diving
operations.'
In the 1987 report there is a description of the cyclone and a list of
casualties, including: 'Pearling lugger Brisbane, 11 tons, foundered;
could not be found; four lives lost.'
Interesting sidelight on a shift in terminology: in 1896, the 10 to 15
ton vessels were listed as 'schooners', while those they actually called
'luggers' were only 5 tons each (a group of four - Airlie, Bull Dog,
Black Jack and Nebraska). But by the 1897 report the Resident was
calling all of the pearling boats, irrespective of size and
schooner-rigged or not, generally 'luggers'. 'Schooner' was used only
for the 113-ton Flowerdale.
Best wishes,
Kate
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:51:02PM -0000, Mori Flapan wrote:
> Dear Don
>
> At this stage the register of Australian and New Zealand Ships and
> Boats that I compile (see www.boatregister.net) has little more to add
> to what you have written already. Apparently she was 11 tons net and
> one of 19 pearling luggers that were lost with 10 lives during the
> cyclone. I have no record that she was registered on the British
> Australian Register. However, Port Darwin was a port of registry at
> that time and my references to this period regarding Port Darwin
> registered vesssels are far from complete. It would be worth checking
> the microfilms held by the National Archives of Australia or the
> National Maritime Museum library in Sydney (there may be other places
> that hold them). I am pretty sure that she was not registered at
> Brisbane under that name.
>
> Regards
> Mori
>
>
> --- In luggers-nq@..., "don braben" <brabendon@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for any information about the lugger BRISBANE that was
> > destroyed in the cyclone of 1897 at Darwin.
> > Thanks
> > Don
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo!7 Groups Links
>
>
>
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