A big thankyou to Stewart for going to all the trouble of organising
an aussie group buy. I recieved my parts in the mail yesterday.
Now all I need is a couple of Megasquirt stickers to top the cases
off !
hey hey Im a newbie
and have absolutely no idea about mega squirt, let alone designing ecu's and
fuel/ignition maps...feel free to flame me LOL
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hi folks,
--- In oz_ms@..., Stewart Ford <sford@m...> wrote:
> > I'm planning to use one of the Bosch units with
> > Megaspark, as i'm running a single coil/distributor
<snip>
> > expensive systems. I think theses are used on quite a
> > few imports to OZ. Might be an easier source than
> > EDIS.
> > Dave Jeal
>
> i am only suggesting the EDIS units as i may be able to get some cheap,
> but how cheap i don't know.
> Cya, Stewart
fwiw, if someone has a relative/friend in the states who could buy on your
behalf, you
could get them to order a WELLS knock-off copy of an EDIS unit from autozone.com
- they also sell replacement coil packs (for 4/6/8 cyl units). Looked reasonably
cheap
for new parts (which are then shipped across the globe).
Also - summit racing (url?) sell higher-power coil packs to replace the factory
(and
oem) version(s). Same problem as autozone - won't ship outside usa.
i've got a 2nd-hand unit coming from the states from 'oddcomp' on the mejajolt
list -
but when that dies/fails ... pain returns .. ;(
ta, thechuckster.
--- Stewart Ford <sford@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
On Thu, 29 May 2003, David Jeal wrote:
>okay, i will have a look at some info. i had not
>really heard about them
>before....
>i am only suggesting the EDIS units as i may be able
>to get some cheap,
>but how cheap i don't know.
>in your opinion, would the bosch or the EDIS be a
>better system? (assuming
>both are available?)
>Cya, Stewart
I've never seen/used an EDIS, so I can only comment on
the Bosch. I know Motec specify the Bosch boxes for
their stuff and they are all fixed dwell. I've been
running a single coil Bosch module for 3 years with NO
problems. At the moment it's driven by the Hall pickup
in the distributor. It's a small black plastic thing
with a 7 pin connector.(one pin is tach out and goes
to Megasquirt, nice clean 12V square wave). I plan on
putting Megaspark inbetween the Hall pickup and the
Bosch module(basicaly one wire), and adding a crank
trigger. That way if Megaspark blows up, I just put it
back the way it was.
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On Thu, 29 May 2003, David Jeal wrote:
> Hi Stewart,
>
> I'm planning to use one of the Bosch units with
> Megaspark, as i'm running a single coil/distributor
> setup. This is the one Motec use for distributor
> systems. The Motec website has a lot of info on the
> wasted spark Bosch units they use with their more
> expensive systems. I think theses are used on quite a
> few imports to OZ. Might be an easier source than
> EDIS.
>
> Dave Jeal
>
okay, i will have a look at some info. i had not really heard about them
before....
i am only suggesting the EDIS units as i may be able to get some cheap,
but how cheap i don't know.
in your opinion, would the bosch or the EDIS be a better system? (assuming
both are available?)
Cya, Stewart
Hi Stewart,
--- Stewart Ford <sford@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
>Hi Ppl,
>is anyone considering using the Megajolt light
>system that uses the Ford
>EDIS module? i've been looking around for a supplier
>of new ones for
>reasonable prices, and would liek to get an idea of
>which modules would be
>needed and if there is interest at all.. i will be
>grabbing a couple of
>EDIS-4 modules if they are at the right price.
>Cya, Stewart
I'm planning to use one of the Bosch units with
Megaspark, as i'm running a single coil/distributor
setup. This is the one Motec use for distributor
systems. The Motec website has a lot of info on the
wasted spark Bosch units they use with their more
expensive systems. I think theses are used on quite a
few imports to OZ. Might be an easier source than
EDIS.
Dave Jeal
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Hi again,
i have begun a list of ppl interested in the next group buy. i think
once we have about 8 or 10 kits requested, then it will be worth
doing another Group Buy. how soon that is will depend on how long it
takes to get enough interest!!
i think we will be able to offer:
Megasquirt kit: comprising of the Partial Kit from Bruce and Al, the
Heeger case, and a component kit. this is enough to build you a fully
functional Megasquirt. (these will also be offered individually as
well, in case you either have some already, or wish to get your own
case/components etc)
Megastim kit: NOT the US PCB version, but one that you make with a
breadboard (Jaycar HP9556), and a set of components. it is mounted in
a ZIP case with pot knobs and a cable to the DB37 plug to go into the
Megasquirt. all cable and hook-up wire provided. the schematic is
available in the files section. this is to verify the operation of
your Megasquirt and so you can play around with the tuning software,
off the car.
Megaprogrammer kit: this is not confirmed until we have a good
schematic available. currently it will be the Willete programmer
schematic, again breadboarded (Jaycar HP9556), but as other
programmer circuits become available, we will look at offering kits
for them. this is to be able to re/program the motorola chips.
if there are any other suggestions for things we could group buy, let
me know. (for example automotive quality connectors if someone has a
source?)
Cya, Stewart
Heya GBrs,
today i took shipment of the Heeger cases and the last components, so
it is not far away now!! i'm hoping to be able to ship them out to
everyone in the next week or so.. thanks for your patience, which
will soon be rewarded.
Cya, Stewart
--- In oz_ms@..., Stewart Ford <sford@m...> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003, wayne_holloway <wayne_holloway@y...> wrote:
> > I would be more interested if a DELCO waste spark module could be
> > adapted.
>
--- In oz_ms@..., Stewart Ford <sford@m...> wrote:
> i have not heard of this... do you have any good links for more
info?
>
Now, the Holden (GM) Commodore VN/VP V6 motor, which are as common
as barkers eggs, has waste spark Direct Fire Ignition. The ignition
is controlled by a DFI module, with dwell?/timing controlled by the
ECU which is a DELCO 1227808.
The DFI module has a dual crank trigger sensor, which uses an 18
tooth wheel and a 3 slot window to determine crankshaft position.
The DFI module will operate in stand alone mode with a set dwell and
timing at 10 DEG BTDC.
The DFI gives a crankshaft reference signal back to the ECU every
120 DEG and the ECU controls timing and dwell via an EST signal to
the DFI module.
Details can be found at the following website :-
http://lightning.prohosting.com/~v8mate/dfi.html
The website provides most of the information EXCEPT for how the EST
signal is derived.
This seems very similar to the Ford EDIS module :-
http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html
MAYBE the DFI module could be adapted to work with Megajolt Light ?
Of course a fair bit more info would be required .
Food for thought for us poor EDIS deprived Aussies?
Let me know what you find - could be the go for the ute!
Regards,
Don Hansford
Teacher IT/Business SQIT Warwick
-----Original Message----- From: Stewart Ford [mailto:sford@...] Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 12:06 AM To: oz_ms@... Subject: [oz_ms] Megajolt light and EDIS modules?
Hi Ppl, is anyone considering using the Megajolt light system that uses the Ford EDIS module? i've been looking around for a supplier of new ones for reasonable prices, and would liek to get an idea of which modules would be needed and if there is interest at all.. i will be grabbing a couple of EDIS-4 modules if they are at the right price.
Cya, Stewart
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Good stuff. Let me know the price & payment method for the components.
I've got a couple of quiet weeks at work coming up towards the end of next month, perfect for install & tuning time :-)
Regards,
Don Hansford
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Heya GroupBuy PPls, the latest on the GB is that we have received the partial kits from Bruce and Al as well as all the components, which Gareth is now sorting :), we are now just waiting on cases from Heeger before we ship out to everyone! Cya, Stewart
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The DELCO wasted spark module is fitted to the V6 Commodores. The coil module is quite cheap. It is driven by the Holden ECU and a cam and crank sensor. It is not a stand alone unit.
Subject: Re: [oz_ms] Re: Megajolt light and EDIS modules?
On Wed, 28 May 2003, wayne_holloway <wayne_holloway@...> wrote: > > I am interested, but the thought of something going wrong and not > having an easily available replacement doesn't appeal to me that much.
i definitely agree with that thought.. if they are cheapish and a reliable source could be found then it may be more of an option. i'm still investigating what sort of price w can get them for...
> I would be more interested if a DELCO waste spark module could be > adapted.
i have not heard of this... do you have any good links for more info?
> Did the ford Mondeo or Probe released in Aus. have EDIS ignition ?
as far as i can tell the EDIS module became part of the ECU module after 1997.. anyone have a ford dealership contact?
i really like the idea of having a programmable controller that operates a commercial unit liek the EDIS, partly because it has ben designed for rugged use, and is well tested, and partly because of the failsafe 10deg limp home mode. while i like the idea of the fullblown Megajolt, i only need rudimentary features, so i think the MJL is ideal for me :)
one thing i'd like to change on my motor is how the vac advance disappears when rpm drops below 1300rpm, it doesn't like idling on just 20 deg advance.... i'd like a feature where i can set the advance just below idle speed to be higher, like 30-35 so if it trys to drop below, it can't :)
Cya, Stewart
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On Wed, 28 May 2003, wayne_holloway <wayne_holloway@...> wrote:
>
> I am interested, but the thought of something going wrong and not
> having an easily available replacement doesn't appeal to me that much.
i definitely agree with that thought.. if they are cheapish and a reliable
source could be found then it may be more of an option. i'm still
investigating what sort of price w can get them for...
> I would be more interested if a DELCO waste spark module could be
> adapted.
i have not heard of this... do you have any good links for more info?
> Did the ford Mondeo or Probe released in Aus. have EDIS ignition ?
as far as i can tell the EDIS module became part of the ECU module after
1997..
anyone have a ford dealership contact?
i really like the idea of having a programmable controller that operates a
commercial unit liek the EDIS, partly because it has ben designed for
rugged use, and is well tested, and partly because of the failsafe 10deg
limp home mode.
while i like the idea of the fullblown Megajolt, i only need rudimentary
features, so i think the MJL is ideal for me :)
one thing i'd like to change on my motor is how the vac advance disappears
when rpm drops below 1300rpm, it doesn't like idling on just 20 deg
advance.... i'd like a feature where i can set the advance just below idle
speed to be higher, like 30-35 so if it trys to drop below, it can't :)
Cya, Stewart
--- In oz_ms@..., Stewart Ford <sford@m...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ppl,
> is anyone considering using the Megajolt light system that uses the
Ford
> EDIS module?
I am interested, but the thought of something going wrong and not
having an easily available replacement doesn't appeal to me that much.
I would be more interested if a DELCO waste spark module could be
adapted.
Did the ford Mondeo or Probe released in Aus. have EDIS ignition ?
Wayne Holloway.
Hi Ppl,
is anyone considering using the Megajolt light system that uses the Ford
EDIS module? i've been looking around for a supplier of new ones for
reasonable prices, and would liek to get an idea of which modules would be
needed and if there is interest at all.. i will be grabbing a couple of
EDIS-4 modules if they are at the right price.
Cya, Stewart
Heya GroupBuy PPls,
the latest on the GB is that we have received the partial kits from
Bruce and Al as well as all the components, which Gareth is now
sorting :), we are now just waiting on cases from Heeger before we
ship out to everyone!
Cya, Stewart
hi mark,
--- In oz_ms@..., marc.kelly@a... wrote:
> I'm having big trouble with my V1.01 MS I've installed in a mates car. (V1 MS
with
> flyback mod, V2 code, 2TG motor, with 4 1.7Ohm injectors). The short story is
-
first
does it run OK on a sim?
<snip>
> Or I could add ballast resistors. What car that I'll find in an Australian
wrecking yard
> should I pull the resistor pack from? I'm after a quick solution - the car is
meant to
> compete in a rally the weekend after next.
not that it really helps you, but does anybody on toymods.org.au know which toy'
models used ballast resisters? fwiw, the 1G-GTE does (but it's only used on
import
soarer or supra).
regards,
thechuckster.
Hi,
I'm having big trouble with my V1.01 MS I've installed in a mates car. (V1 MS
with flyback mod, V2 code, 2TG motor, with 4 1.7Ohm injectors). The short story
is - first install went fine - ran around for an hour with no probs, but didn't
test the heat of the flyback transistor. Then ownder put backshell of connector
on and made a few wiring changes. MS blew up, I replaced the FETs, flyback
transistor, and FET driver. Car idles fine, but when PW increases, flyback
transistor gets really hot, eventually causing the car to die. After it cools
down, the car will run again.
I've changed the flyback zener to a 30V 5W one now, and replaced the
TIP42A,1N4001s and the 270Ohm flyback resistor, but haven't tested it. If this
doesn't work, what should I try? I could add a 390Ohm 0.5W resistor to the
flyback circuit with the 30V zener?
Or I could add ballast resistors. What car that I'll find in an Australian
wrecking yard should I pull the resistor pack from? I'm after a quick solution -
the car is meant to compete in a rally the weekend after next.
Marc Kelly
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Hi All,This afternoon,inpatient as ever,I Took to the carport with my desktop computer.I have been offered,to borrow, a couple of laptops but they have not so far appeared.Connected up a Vacuum Hose,unplugged the Lucas ECU and plugged in my Megasquirt.Connected up the computer and turned on the Ignition.Success !!!,no smoke came from anywhere and I was connected to the megasquirt.First I set the TPS,Turned Off the Accell enrichment and the EGO,(Not fitted to the Exhaust yet).I turned the key to the start position,and It fired up straight away!!! I played around with Megatune for a bit and got it Idling perfectly.I then started to go up the RPMS and within a couple of minutes I had it Sorted.I am Totally impressed with the way it was so easy to do.Road tuning will have to wait a while though,unless I get a much longer extension lead. Moral of the story,If I can do it anyone can!
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Hi All,This afternoon,inpatient as ever,I Took to the carport with my
desktop computer.I have been offered,to borrow, a couple of laptops
but they have not so far appeared.Connected up a Vacuum
Hose,unplugged the Lucas ECU and plugged in my Megasquirt.Connected
up the computer and turned on the Ignition.Success !!!,no smoke came
from anywhere and I was connected to the megasquirt.First I set the
TPS,Turned Off the Accell enrichment and the EGO,(Not fitted to the
Exhaust yet).I turned the key to the start position,and It fired up
straight away!!! I played around with Megatune for a bit and got it
Idling perfectly.I then started to go up the RPMS and within a couple
of minutes I had it Sorted.I am Totally impressed with the way it was
so easy to do.Road tuning will have to wait a while though,unless I
get a much longer extension lead.
Moral of the story,If I can do it anyone can!
--- In oz_ms@..., David Jeal <davodos@y...> wrote:
> Sorry
>
> --- David Jeal <davodos@y...> wrote:
> Must have been having a "my brain hurts" episode! Not
> real shure how accurate that pdf file is. It lists my
> injectors as 441cc/min, but I've flowed them at
> 550cc/min. Does the figure it gives for yours sound
> right??
>
> Dave Jeal
>
Hi Dave, Thanks heaps for the info, Yeah, sounds about right,
although ya did get my hopes up with that first post:).
Thanks mate
Gareth
Sorry
--- David Jeal <davodos@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
>Gareth,
>According to it your injectors are 196cc/min. That
>works out to 25.9LB/HR.
Wrong! 196cc/min divided by 10.5 = 18.66LB/HR.
Must have been having a "my brain hurts" episode! Not
real shure how accurate that pdf file is. It lists my
injectors as 441cc/min, but I've flowed them at
550cc/min. Does the figure it gives for yours sound
right??
Dave Jeal
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Gareth,
--- "Gareth Webb <gazadaman@...>"
<gazadaman@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
>Hi All
>Can anyone help out with some info on my injectors,
>0280 150 726, Bosch, Blue top. There the factory XF
>falcon ones, but
>were used from late '86 onwards (unleaded). I have
>the flow rates for
>the earlier yellow ones, but am stuffed if i can
>find flow rates for
>these suckers.
>Gareth Webb
I've just uploaded a PDF file named "injectors.pdf"
into the files>injector data section. According to it
your injectors are 196cc/min. That works out to
25.9LB/HR.
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Hi, Steve
What a pity I live in North Queensland. I was just thinking (oh, I
shouldn't do that - makes my bloody head hurt)- would it be possible
to utilise the conferencing facilities of Yahoo Messenger, and maybe
get together online sometime and having a yak, er, discussion bout
Megasquirt.
If each of us had YM, and added each other to their list of friends,
it should work - just need to set a time, and then invite those
people to join a conference - what do you think??
Barry
--- In oz_ms@..., Steve Oxley <Stephen.Oxley@i...>
wrote:
> Afternoon all,
>
> Last year I attempted to get together a tech & talk session for us
> Melbourne-based MS users. It was a bit of a failure, but seeing
how there
> is now quite a few more local people, I'm willing to try again.
>
> So, how many people in Melbourne (and the Melbourne area) would be
> interested in attending such an event?
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> --
> ObRandomCynicalComment:
> Luser is always a luser. You can't educate them. That's not what
> God invented education for. That's what Simon invented LART for.
Hi All
Can anyone help out with some info on my injectors,
0280 150 726, Bosch, Blue top. There the factory XF falcon ones, but
were used from late '86 onwards (unleaded). I have the flow rates for
the earlier yellow ones, but am stuffed if i can find flow rates for
these suckers.
Gareth Webb
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Dale Rogers wrote:
> Hi all. I'm new to the MegaSquirt and Fuel Injection in general. I have some
> questions some are not entirely MS specific sorry for being off topic
np, as long as we can all learn from them :)
> I imagine that a 4 wire EGO sensor would be mandatory in a water cooled
> exhaust manifold due to low exhaust temperatures. Is this a correct
> assumption? Do EGO heaters burn out when operating 100% of the time?
i think O2 sensors need to be above 350C for them to work properly.. and
cars can have a problem when idling as they go too low in temp.
i heated sensor would probably be the better way to go...
i don't know... they are pretty solid things.. they pull around 1 or 2
amps and its just a resistance heater.. it is all enclosed so i imagine it
would last a while. goo dquestion tho...
> Are EGO sensors sensitive to moisture?
in the exhaust gas? from my uni work i think that moisture in the exhaust
gas would increase the avaialble oxygen.... but it should not affect the
zirconia sensor... unless the sensor got wet and then heated too quickly.
it's often recomended to have them pointing downwards so moisture will not
collect at the sensor when engines are shut off. as for the outside of
them? i think it could be water proofed, but they look liek they'd be ok.
as long as your connections are water tight.
> Are water temp senders sensitive to raw water.
in terms of salt water? since they are brass they will be fairly corrosion
resistant.. again as long as the outside wires are watertight they should
be ok.
> Does anyone have any comment on any/all sensors in marine environment?
> Tricks and traps?
make the connections water tight and all should be ok :)silicone a rubber
boot over them maybe?
Cya, Stewart
Hi all. I'm new to the MegaSquirt and Fuel Injection in general. I have some
questions some are not entirely MS specific sorry for being off topic
I imagine that a 4 wire EGO sensor would be mandatory in a water cooled
exhaust manifold due to low exhaust temperatures. Is this a correct
assumption? Do EGO heaters burn out when operating 100% of the time?
Are EGO sensors sensitive to moisture?
Are water temp senders sensitive to raw water.
Does anyone have any comment on any/all sensors in marine environment?
Tricks and traps?
Regards Dale Rogers
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