--- In SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com, "Wendy Pfeiffer"
<blacklusset@...> wrote:

Hi Carolyn

This is by no means a personal attack on you.

It is the SSCNSW that I am interested in - as a then current
financial member and it is my right that as a member I have a say -
only a few of the SSCNSW members can attend meetings. How many were
there and decided this?

We were all told to sit back and wait. No discussion on the lists
was to our advantage - yes someones advantage but sure as hell not
mine!!!

Further, I think a copy of the ACES Petition should be sought from
Mim Bester and those members who were current financial members of
the SSCNSW 2006/2007 should be checked off so to speak. This should
be then forwarded to DogsNSW.

What gives the right of a few members to blatently go against our
views.

We signed a Petition - we voted - AGAINST ACES.

All this documentation I am not forwarding to Mim Besters ACES list
and back to Leslies InternationalSheltie,

bfn
BIGW
http://blacklusset.net



--- In SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Vicary <cazamyau@>
wrote:
>
> Wendy I could only do as instructed by members PRESENT at the
meeting. My personal views have nothing to do with this, I was acting
as the secretary of the club and following directions of the members
present. I WAS instructed by the members present at the meeting to
write that letter and I did so.
>
> Carolyn
>
> Sheltalyn Shetland Sheepdogs.
> Sydney.Australia.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wendy Pfeiffer <blacklusset@>
> To: SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October, 2007 3:39:01 PM
> Subject: [SheltieWorld] Re: [InternationalSheltie] ACES
>
> Then I suggest that a copy of the letter tabled at the Board
Meeting
> that Leslie refers to should be obtained promptly, Carolyn.
>
> This statement written below by the SSCNSW:-
>
> > > > Several of our members were present on the evening of
> > > > April 12, 2007 and found the Scheme was clearly
> > > > explained and was basically satisfied.
>
> I was a financial member in May and there was a HUGE HUGE amount of
> members that signed the ACES Petition against ACES was written by
you?
>
> I was not "satisfied" - they were not "satisfied".
>
> bfn
> BIGW
> http://blacklusset.net
>
> > > > Several of our members were present on the evening of
> > > > April 12, 2007 and found the Scheme was clearly
> > > > explained and was basically satisfied.
>
> --- In SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Vicary <cazamyau@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Every word in that letter EXCEPT FOR "We need to get this through
> to the people who could not be present
> > and are unfortunately falling prey to "internet gossip". is word
> for word the letter I sent to Dogs NSW.
> >
> > Carolyn Vicary
> > Sheltalyn Shetland Sheepdogs.
> > Sydney.Australia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Wendy Pfeiffer <blacklusset@>
> > To: SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October, 2007 3:05:33 PM
> > Subject: [SheltieWorld] Re: [InternationalSheltie] ACES
> >
> > Hi Carolyn
> >
> > As I said I have no idea who whote the letter, I just stated I
have
> > had a copy of this letter since late August.
> >
> > I am sure since the letter was tabled that any member of DogNSW
> > should be able to gain access to it? So I think that a copy of
the
> > letter tabled at the Board Meeting should be obtained.
> >
> > Never once Carolyn have I said you wrote the letter, the letter
> was
> > undated and not dated in May.
> >
> > All I said was this letter was sent to DogsNSW and I am pretty
> > disgusted in all its contents.
> >
> > It clearly supports ACES and the way it is worded borders to
> slander
> > in my direction as the owner of SheltieWorld:-
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > > > We need to get
> > > > this through to the people who could not be present
> > > > and are unfortunately falling prey to "internet
> > > > gossip".
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
> > I also WAS a member of SSCNSW and I DO NOT SUPPORT ACES
> >
> > bfn
> > BIGW
> > http://blacklusset.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Vicary <cazamyau@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wendy you are not listening - The only letter sent to Dogs NSW
> was
> > written by me as secretary of the SSDC of NSW, the one you have
is
> > PURE FICTION.Your source has changed the wording to suit
> themselves.
> > The official letter on club letterhead was sent in May 07. And
> there
> > have been replies from both Dr Hedberg & Dr Robertson.
> > > I will take it further too as I am being misquoted and
bordering
> on
> > slander and believe me that is against the law.
> > >
> > > Carolyn Vicary
> > > Sheltalyn Shetland Sheepdogs.
> > > Sydney.Australia.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Wendy Pfeiffer <blacklusset@>
> > > To: SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October, 2007 2:10:09 PM
> > > Subject: [SheltieWorld] Re: [InternationalSheltie] ACES
> > >
> > > Hi Carolyn
> > >
> > > I have no idea what letter you wrote Carolyn to DogNSW as I do
> not
> > > have the authors name - this letter went to DogNSW on Shetland
> > > Sheepdog Club of NSW letterhead and I am disgusted in the
> comments.
> > >
> > > I have been in receipt of this since late August and from my
> > sources
> > > it has been tabled by DogzNSW at the Board Meeting.
> > >
> > > I have been seriously considering taking this matter further.
> > >
> > > bfn
> > > BIGW
> > > http://blacklusset.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Vicary <cazamyau@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry Wendy but that was not the letter I sent to
> Christina
> > > Rafton,Dr Hedberg & Dr Robertson. At no time did I mention
> internet
> > > gossip. I have a copy of the letter here with me now but as I
am
> no
> > > longer secretary I don't have the authority to place it on the
> > > internet. I would love to know who sent this to you as it is
> > > misinformation & obviously trying to stir up trouble.If Jenny
> > Tolley
> > > wants I can send a copy or possibly place it in the club
> newsletter.
> > > >
> > > > Carolyn Vicary
> > > > Sheltalyn Shetland Sheepdogs.
> > > > Sydney.Australia.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Wendy Pfeiffer <blacklusset@>
> > > > To: InternationalSheltie@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: SheltieWorld@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October, 2007 1:03:15 PM
> > > > Subject: [SheltieWorld] Re: [InternationalSheltie] ACES
> > > >
> > > > Hi Leslie
> > > >
> > > > This correspondence was sent to me from an unknown
> > > > source and is part of a correspondence sent by the
> > > > Shetland Sheepdog Club of NSW and is the one referred
> > > > to in the Minutes of DogsNSW.
> > > >
> > > > I am absolutely disgusted as to the wording of this
> > > > letter and think all the members now not renewing and
> > > > present of the SSCNSW should know what correspondence
> > > > is being sent on their behalf.
> > > >
> > > > I am now not rejoining the SSCNSW because of this
> > > > letter, however was a member up until this current
> > > > financial year. I was a member when Dr Robertson
> > > > asked us to chose and I as did MANY MANY MANY members
> > > > signed the ACES Petiton against ACES and was a current
> > > > financial member at that time.
> > > >
> > > > We were all "warned" as owners of SheltieWorld and
> > > > InternationalSheltie not to enter into any internet
> > > > discussion on ACES and NOW the SSCNSW has sent this
> > > > showing their support for the ACES Scheme !!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > SSSCNSW LETTERHEAD
> > > >
> > > > undated
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Christina Rafton
> > > > Senior Deputy Chair
> > > > Dogs NSW
> > > > Cc Dr Karen Hedberg and Dr Bruce Robertson
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mrs Rafton
> > > >
> > > > I have been instructed by the Shetland Sheepdog Club
> > > > of New South Wales to write to you in regards to ACES.
> > > >
> > > > Several of our members were present on the evening of
> > > > April 12, 2007 and found the Scheme was clearly
> > > > explained and was basically satisfied. We need to get
> > > > this through to the people who could not be present
> > > > and are unfortunately falling prey to "internet
> > > > gossip".
> > > >
> > > > We feel that if the misinformation in the AVA
> > > > Information for Owners was adjusted and placed in
> > > > print most people would feel more confident in the
> > > > Scheme. In particular in regard to the control of
> > > > breeding which we feel is causing most concern for the
> > > > majority of breeders.
> > > >
> > > > Members are also concerned that the puppy results are
> > > > not being entered on the database so why should they
> > > > have to pay the extra costs to get them tested. Also
> > > > why do breeders have to go through ACES to have hip
> > > > score results placed on the ANKC Database."
> > > > _________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > Wendy
> > > > http://blacklusset.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Shelbrae Kennels <tanksalot@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We all need to stand together on this & vote NO as a
> > > > > united body
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Sue with regards to your comments above - it
> > > > > seems that the Shetland Sheepdog Club of NSW will
> > > > > not stand united on this and vote NO.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the August Board Minutes of their meeting, they
> > > > > stated that had received an undated letter from
> > > > > them, received on 8/8/2007 and noted their support
> > > > > for the ACES Scheme.
> > > > >
> > > > > I for one would be interested to know how many voted
> > > > > in support for the scheme they got and how many
> > > > > negatives.
> > > >
> > > >
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