Hi Peter,

> There are a number of sections in the agenda and attachements that
> cover CEA/ACES in a variety of ways. In particular two attachements
> from Karen Hedburg that relate to control of CEA are of huge
> significance to those of us with CEA affected breeds and should be
> read and digested by all! If I get confirmation of the public nature
> of these documents I will attempt to provide them here.

Yes, the BBPs (Best Breeding Practice) documents are dynamite. These
documents are actually more or less what was submitted to the Victorian Govt
dept as the suggested Code of Practice in order for Dogs Victoria breeders
to gain exemption from the legislation. They need to be stripped down to
their bare bones and discussed by all breeders that have a stake in any
breeds affected by the proposals; diseases referred to include CEA, PRA,
vWD, HC.


> In relation to concern in VIC that CEA affected breeds should have
> all litters checked I personally cannot see why this is a problem.
> Frankly anyone breeding with a CEA affected breed who is not breeding
> DNA Clear to DNA Clear (and that possibility does not exist for most
> of us!) should test all pups? Most of us do already as collie rough
> breeders? Let's fight the big battles we need to and not the ones
> that are not winable?

I totally agree that all collie breeders should be litter screening, however
the concern regarding the proposed Code of Practice in regard to the
Victorian State legislation is that the use of the word "must" makes it an
offence under the Act to not have all puppies screened prior to 8 weeks of
age by an ACES authorised ophthalmologist. As stated in the Dogs Victoria
response, it appears to be a restraint of trade to dictate that only one
particular group of specialists are authorised to litter screen under the
Act. I also believe that due to the low number of ACES authorised
practitioners available, it may be physically impossible to fulfill these
proposed requirements within the time frame allowable.

Regards,

Sylvia

Thanks Slyvia

Your are NOT poking your nose in! Many thanks. Like you it seems I
have also been given access to the full agenda of the ANKC/NBC
meeting in June from which you have added a file here. I am currently
seeking confirmation that the document is not confidential althouigh
I cannot see why it should be and I am pleased to hear your advice
that it is public.

There are a number of sections in the agenda and attachements that
cover CEA/ACES in a variety of ways. In particular two attachements
from Karen Hedburg that relate to control of CEA are of huge
significance to those of us with CEA affected breeds and should be
read and digested by all! If I get confirmation of the public nature
of these documents I will attempt to provide them here.

In relation to concern in VIC that CEA affected breeds should have
all litters checked I personally cannot see why this is a problem.
Frankly anyone breeding with a CEA affected breed who is not breeding
DNA Clear to DNA Clear (and that possibility does not exist for most
of us!) should test all pups? Most of us do already as collie rough
breeders? Let's fight the big battles we need to and not the ones
that are not winable?

Best wishes
Peter
Balinfern Collies

--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Sylvia Power" <zenchel@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Peter and all,
>
> Please forgive me for poking my nose in at this point, however I
was just
> sitting at the computer trying to condense, sort out and type up a
document
> to send out to our state breed clubs in order to answer just the
questions
> you are asking, in time for their response prior to the National
Breed
> Council Conference June 28.
>
> I will put it down in point form so it's as clear as can be for
everyone.
>
> (1) Yes, there have been sustantial amendments to the original
Information
> For Owners and Rules And Procedures documents.
>
> (2) However, there are still several issues that have previously
been listed
> in several places by many different groups as "points of concern".
>
> (3)   Earlier in April Dogs Victoria ran an information seminar for
people
> that had concerns about ACES. Following this seminar Dogs Victoria
wrote the
> letter that I have uploaded into the files - this letter has been
sent to
> all state canine councils and the ANKC. It is listed in
correspondence for
> the NBC Conference and will also be on the agenda of the full ANKC
> conference in October. I believe there have been similar concerns
voiced by
> Dogs NSW, CCCQ and TCA.
>
> (4) I have also uploaded the motion for the NBC Conference in
relation to
> ACES that the National Labrador Retriever Council has moved. As you
can see,
> this motion contains very specific points, however there are more
general
> concerns that will probably still exist, even if the motion is
carried and
> achieves its aims eventually. As a Labrador person, I would really
> appreciate anybody and everybody informing their NBC Conference
delegates of
> their views on this motion, so there can be a knowledgeable and
constructive
> debate on it at the Conference.
>
> (5) People from other states may not realise that ACES has a lot
more
> implications for Victorians than previously - the following phrase
is
> written in the suggested Code of Practice to be attached to the
State Govt
> legislation covering breeding from dogs that can suffer from CEA
(amongst
> other diseases).
>
> "With Collie Eye Anomaly (CEA)  the approved breeding program must
submit
> all litters before 8 weeks of age for certification by
ophthalmologists
> appointed to the AVA-ANKC ACES Panel, to identify and remove any
puppy that
> is adversely affected by the condition."
>
> This Code of Practice has not yet been finalised and the eventual
outcome is
> anybody's guess, however this is a quote from the relevant section
in the
> response from Dogs Victoria.
>
> "DOGS Victoria strongly opposes the inclusion of the requirement
that all
> litters must be submitted before 8 weeks of age for certification
by
> ophthalmologists appointed to the AVA/ANKC ACES Panel; to identify
and
> remove any puppy that is adversely affected by CEA.
>
>
>
> We believe it to be an unnecessary restraint to require litter
screening, or
> any other screening, to be performed exclusively by any particular
group of
> specialists."
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions or comments about all
of this.
> By the way, I have obtained advice that putting the documents that
I have
> uploaded into the public domain is perfectly acceptable, as the
entire
> agenda of the NBC Conference (which includes these documents)
should be in
> the process of being distributed to all state clubs (and their
members) by
> the National Breed Council secretaries.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sylvia Power
>
>
>
>
> > Dear Mim and Leah
> >
> > May I impose upon you both to give me/list members an update on
where
> > we are at with ACES?
> >
> > When you live in the country and don't get to mix in person with
> > those involved/informed you only get 'bits' of the current
situation.
> >
> > I have heard Roberston has amended his documentation to
remove/amend
> > ALL the text we were concerned about? Is that true and has the
> > revised ACES documentation been subseqeuently endorsed by the
ANKC?
> > (That would mean I assume it would have had to be put to all breed
> > clubs and their NBCs which I have seen no evidence of).
> >
> > As there is an ANKC Combined NBC Meeting in June in Sydney it
would
> > be good for all of us that have an interest in this matter to
ensure
> > that our NBC is fully aware of what is happening and are being
> > proactive in ensuring that our concerns are being addressed.
> >
> > My email may show my lack current understanding of what is
happening
> > and for those who are better informed please accept my apologies.
> > However for those of us who remain concerned but 'in the dark'
may I
> > ask you to let us know what you know of the situation?
> >
> > With best wishes
> > Peter Cook
> > Balinfern Collies
> > balinfern.com
> >
>

Hi Peter and all,

Please forgive me for poking my nose in at this point, however I was just
sitting at the computer trying to condense, sort out and type up a document
to send out to our state breed clubs in order to answer just the questions
you are asking, in time for their response prior to the National Breed
Council Conference June 28.

I will put it down in point form so it's as clear as can be for everyone.

(1) Yes, there have been sustantial amendments to the original Information
For Owners and Rules And Procedures documents.

(2) However, there are still several issues that have previously been listed
in several places by many different groups as "points of concern".

(3)   Earlier in April Dogs Victoria ran an information seminar for people
that had concerns about ACES. Following this seminar Dogs Victoria wrote the
letter that I have uploaded into the files - this letter has been sent to
all state canine councils and the ANKC. It is listed in correspondence for
the NBC Conference and will also be on the agenda of the full ANKC
conference in October. I believe there have been similar concerns voiced by
Dogs NSW, CCCQ and TCA.

(4) I have also uploaded the motion for the NBC Conference in relation to
ACES that the National Labrador Retriever Council has moved. As you can see,
this motion contains very specific points, however there are more general
concerns that will probably still exist, even if the motion is carried and
achieves its aims eventually. As a Labrador person, I would really
appreciate anybody and everybody informing their NBC Conference delegates of
their views on this motion, so there can be a knowledgeable and constructive
debate on it at the Conference.

(5) People from other states may not realise that ACES has a lot more
implications for Victorians than previously - the following phrase is
written in the suggested Code of Practice to be attached to the State Govt
legislation covering breeding from dogs that can suffer from CEA (amongst
other diseases).

"With Collie Eye Anomaly (CEA)  the approved breeding program must submit
all litters before 8 weeks of age for certification by ophthalmologists
appointed to the AVA-ANKC ACES Panel, to identify and remove any puppy that
is adversely affected by the condition."

This Code of Practice has not yet been finalised and the eventual outcome is
anybody's guess, however this is a quote from the relevant section in the
response from Dogs Victoria.

"DOGS Victoria strongly opposes the inclusion of the requirement that all
litters must be submitted before 8 weeks of age for certification by
ophthalmologists appointed to the AVA/ANKC ACES Panel; to identify and
remove any puppy that is adversely affected by CEA.



We believe it to be an unnecessary restraint to require litter screening, or
any other screening, to be performed exclusively by any particular group of
specialists."

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments about all of this.
By the way, I have obtained advice that putting the documents that I have
uploaded into the public domain is perfectly acceptable, as the entire
agenda of the NBC Conference (which includes these documents) should be in
the process of being distributed to all state clubs (and their members) by
the National Breed Council secretaries.

Regards,

Sylvia Power




> Dear Mim and Leah
>
> May I impose upon you both to give me/list members an update on where
> we are at with ACES?
>
> When you live in the country and don't get to mix in person with
> those involved/informed you only get 'bits' of the current situation.
>
> I have heard Roberston has amended his documentation to remove/amend
> ALL the text we were concerned about? Is that true and has the
> revised ACES documentation been subseqeuently endorsed by the ANKC?
> (That would mean I assume it would have had to be put to all breed
> clubs and their NBCs which I have seen no evidence of).
>
> As there is an ANKC Combined NBC Meeting in June in Sydney it would
> be good for all of us that have an interest in this matter to ensure
> that our NBC is fully aware of what is happening and are being
> proactive in ensuring that our concerns are being addressed.
>
> My email may show my lack current understanding of what is happening
> and for those who are better informed please accept my apologies.
> However for those of us who remain concerned but 'in the dark' may I
> ask you to let us know what you know of the situation?
>
> With best wishes
> Peter Cook
> Balinfern Collies
> balinfern.com
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ozeyescheme
group.

   File        : /VCA NBC ACES.pdf
   Uploaded by : zenchel1 <zenchel@...>
   Description : VCA  ANKC NBC Letter

You can access this file at the URL:
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/ozeyescheme/files/VCA%20NBC%20ACES.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

zenchel1 <zenchel@...>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ozeyescheme
group.

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You can access this file at the URL:
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erence%202008.doc

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Regards,

zenchel1 <zenchel@...>

Dear Mim and Leah

May I impose upon you both to give me/list members an update on where
we are at with ACES?

When you live in the country and don't get to mix in person with
those involved/informed you only get 'bits' of the current situation.

I have heard Roberston has amended his documentation to remove/amend
ALL the text we were concerned about? Is that true and has the
revised ACES documentation been subseqeuently endorsed by the ANKC?
(That would mean I assume it would have had to be put to all breed
clubs and their NBCs which I have seen no evidence of).

As there is an ANKC Combined NBC Meeting in June in Sydney it would
be good for all of us that have an interest in this matter to ensure
that our NBC is fully aware of what is happening and are being
proactive in ensuring that our concerns are being addressed.

My email may show my lack current understanding of what is happening
and for those who are better informed please accept my apologies.
However for those of us who remain concerned but 'in the dark' may I
ask you to let us know what you know of the situation?

With best wishes
Peter Cook
Balinfern Collies
balinfern.com

Hi Cath
I havent seen the ammendments, are they published online any where?
Hopefully we should see them in our next club newsletters.
Jacqui
Eridor Smooth Collies


--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Cath Hess" <wyliebcs1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Has anyone seen the amendments to the ACES Scheme from Robertson.
>
> This from a guy who cant even diagnose CEA in a Border Collie.
>
> Calls himself a specialist vet!!
>
> And he is going to be the head of ACES.
>
> UGHHHH!!!!
>
> I pity the Victorians with there new legislation why doesnt it hit
the
> Designer Dog Breeders and not the registered breeders that are
doing
> the right thing.
>
> Cath and the crew
> Wylie Border Collies and Australian Shepherds
> www.wyliekennels.com
>

Hi All

Has anyone seen the amendments to the ACES Scheme from Robertson.

This from a guy who cant even diagnose CEA in a Border Collie.

Calls himself a specialist vet!!

And he is going to be the head of ACES.

UGHHHH!!!!

I pity the Victorians with there new legislation why doesnt it hit the
Designer Dog Breeders and not the registered breeders that are doing
the right thing.

Cath and the crew
Wylie Border Collies and Australian Shepherds
www.wyliekennels.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Julia Soltoggio

To: ozeyescheme@...

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:49 AM

Subject: RE: [ozeyescheme] Meeting last night

Hi Pauline,

I assume you have no problem with me forwarding this on to Sheltie lists that I’m on.

Cheers Julia,

Perth, Western Australia.

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From: ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Pauline Freeman
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 5:31 AM
To: OzShow@yahoogroups.com; ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au; rarergundogspanielclub@yahoogroups.com.au; cockertales@yahoogroups.com; gundog; margaret Joyce
Subject: [ozeyescheme] Meeting last night

Good morning all - and keep up the letters to the pollies- A number of observers sat in on the meeting and a working party was formed from 2 of our observers - Sue Huebner and Jan Cooke as well as Doug Ford Peter Frost and John Cassar. This committee has the power to co opt people to help but the main thing now is that they have to meet again on monday and have everything ready . Various people have been assigned various part of the bill to ananlyse but his will not stop individuals helping- all correspondence to jansilk@alphalink.com.au . The Bruce Robinson letter is the sort of rebuttal and information we are looking for so if anyone has any scientific papers re inherited diseases in dogs and testing proceedures and what the clubs are doing could they please forward it to Jan asap.Similarly any other information re the dangerous dogs,the powers of the councils Tail docking debarking etc please send over.Gerri Greig has been in contact with the vets and there are nearly 200 Non AVA vets in Victoria who have never had a voice before - these vets deserve our support - more on this later as this Bill is our number one priority!The VCA is talking of hiring a lobbyist - I think the dog world as a whole needs a lobbyist and we also need a watchdog to warn us when bills llike this are being planned !

Pauline Freeman - and thanks to the people that came  out last night and to all those who are supporting us in this fight to save Victorian dogdom .

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Thank you for the news, Pauline.

I have had a couple of people ask me privately if I knew about the
legislation coming into place considering my post RE: Can We Afford
to be Fence Sitters. No, I didn't know. This was just an unhappy co-
incidence. However I had been expecting something like this and so
have others - only we thought it would happen first in NSW and that
is where members have been checking to see if anything was on
parlimentary/council agendas etc. We were not looking in Victoria.
Pity as we might have found out about it a little earlier.

Does anyone know how this got to be a legislative issue in the first
place?

Cheers mim







--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Pauline Freeman"
<sunfire@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning all - and keep up the letters to the pollies- A number
of observers sat in on the meeting and a working party was formed
from 2 of our observers - Sue Huebner and Jan Cooke as well as Doug
Ford Peter Frost and John Cassar. This committee has the power to co
opt people to help but the main thing now is that they have to meet
again on monday and have everything ready . Various people have been
assigned various part of the bill to ananlyse but his will not stop
individuals helping- all correspondence to jansilk@... . The Bruce
Robinson letter is the sort of rebuttal and information we are
looking for so if anyone has any scientific papers re inherited
diseases in dogs and testing proceedures and what the clubs are doing
could they please forward it to Jan asap.Similarly any other
information re the dangerous dogs,the powers of the councils Tail
docking debarking etc please send over.Gerri Greig has been in
contact with the vets and there are nearly 200 Non AVA vets in
Victoria who have never had a voice before - these vets deserve our
support - more on this later as this Bill is our number one priority!
The VCA is talking of hiring a lobbyist - I think the dog world as a
whole needs a lobbyist and we also need a watchdog to warn us when
bills llike this are being planned !
> Pauline Freeman - and thanks to the people that came  out last
night and to all those who are supporting us in this fight to save
Victorian dogdom .
>

No worries l will post a report

----- Original Message -----

From: roughsandsmooths

To: ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:47 PM

Subject: [ozeyescheme] Re: Meeting tonight

Hi Pauline

Any chance you can let us know what happen at the meeting tomorrow?

Cheers Mim

--- In ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au, "Pauline Freeman" <sunfire@...>
wrote:
>
> In case anyone has missed it there will be a public meeting - open to
all - after the management meeting tonight at 7 pm approx - see you
there Pauline Freeman
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: roughsandsmooths

To: ozeyescheme@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:47 PM

Subject: [ozeyescheme] Re: Meeting tonight

Hi Pauline

Any chance you can let us know what happen at the meeting tomorrow?

Cheers Mim

--- In ozeyescheme@yahoogroups.com.au, "Pauline Freeman" <sunfire@...>
wrote:
>
> In case anyone has missed it there will be a public meeting - open to
all - after the management meeting tonight at 7 pm approx - see you
there Pauline Freeman
>

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Subject: Fw: Please forward, it has been confirmed by Telstra &
Australia Police




       -------Original Message-------

       From: Dennis Gorman
       Date: 10/05/07 10:33:28
       To: Donny Maxwell;  Ian Byrnes;  John Donnelly;  John Haas;
John Kerr;  judy;  laurence falconer;  michael;  Neil Winterton;
Olsen, Bruce;  Wassell, John
       Subject: Fw: Please forward, it has been confirmed by Telstra
& Australia Police



       Subject: Fw: Please forward, it has been confirmed by Telstra
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                         Please pass this on, it has been confirmed
by Telstra & Australia Police.

I got a call last night from an individual identifying himself as an
AT&T Service technician who was conducting a test on our telephone
lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine
(9),zero  ( 0), hash (#) and then hang up.

Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone
company, I was informed that by pushing 90#, you give the requesting
individual full access to your telephone line, which allows them to
place long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone
number. I was further informed that this scam has been originating
from many of the local gaols/prisons.

DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. PLEASE pass this on to your friends. If
you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from organisations you are
connected with, I encourage you to pass this on.

                         Stephen Cooper

                         Detective Senior Constable 29748
                         Victoria Police State Crime Squad
                         Level 12, 412 St. Kilda Road , Melbourne
                         (03) 9865 2663 or 0414644499
                          stephen.cooper@...
                         mailto:stephen.cooper@...

Hi Pauline

Any chance you can let us know what happen at the meeting tomorrow?

Cheers Mim


--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Pauline Freeman" <sunfire@...>
wrote:
>
> In case anyone has missed it there will be a public meeting - open to
all - after the management meeting tonight at 7 pm approx - see you
there Pauline Freeman
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Pauline Freeman

To: cockertales@yahoogroups.com ; rarergundogspanielclub@... ; ozeyescheme@... ; Penni and Stu ; Jane Harvey ; borstaff1@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:27 PM

Subject: [ozeyescheme] Meeting tonight

In case anyone has missed it there will be a public meeting - open to all - after the management meeting tonight at 7 pm approx - see you there Pauline Freeman

----- Original Message -----

From: roughsandsmooths

To: ozeyescheme@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:23 PM

Subject: [ozeyescheme] Dr Robertson's Statement re Vic Legislation

I hope everyone has seen the excellent letter/statement written by Dr Bruce Robertson to Mr Doug Ford in regard to the proposed Victorian Legislation.  http://www.vca.org.au/index.asp

.

I hope everyone has seen the excellent letter/statement written by Dr Bruce Robertson to Mr Doug Ford in regard to the proposed Victorian Legislation.  http://www.vca.org.au/index.asp

I am hoping that his statement is heard loud and clear and fully understood by the politicians. 

I do find it ironic that Dr Robertson's statement is exactly the sentiments many of us have tried to express in regard to the documentation and implementation of ACES. 

• e.g. ANKC has the power to insist on an `unaffected' test report as a prerequisite to litter registration.

 It appears now Dr Robertson understands why the ACES documentation is so horrific as at the end of his Statement he says " Those responsible for enacting animal welfare law would see the sense in allowing the dog breeding industry to be proactive and self-regulating….as it has both the capacity and willingness to do so". Of course I would like to see that ACES sees "…  the sense in allowing the dog breeding industry to be proactive and self-regulating….as it has both the capacity and willingness to do so"  too.    Maybe there is hope?

ANY scheme/system/legislation that tries to impose restrictions or forces us into certain positions or indeed insists we risk reducing diversity within our breeds, and possibly even spelling the demise of certain breeds - especially when we do not know the total genetic inheritance of the disease involved ,- should be totally rejected. 

We would all agree, I think, that testing for genetic problems where possible should be fully embraced. After that, I believe it is the breeder's responsibility to use that information wisely.

It would be great if we can get all these problems sorted so we can get back to being what we want to be – dog breeders, not lobbyists.

Thank you Dr Robertson for writing to Mr Ford in support of breeders.

Mim

Hi,
I was sent this contact via a cat site - sounds like a person to get a
hold of for more info on how the US people have banned together to
help fit this kind of legislation

Kerry

Just got an email from one of my cat lists I am on about the animal
bill they are talking about.
You have to get in touch with

<mailto:dbolton@...>dbolton@...

Doug Bolton is so well informed about what has already been happening
in the USA you wouldn't believe it. He also had informed us about
every move and because cat and dog fancy was equally united they could
defeat this idiots.Doug is in Canada...

--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Pauline Freeman" <sunfire@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all just confirmed with the Greensborough club- there will be a
meeting tomorrow at lunchtime at the Park - this is going to affect
everyone and could some kind person or people please print out a copy
or two of the legislation as my printer has decided to go on the blink
(something to do with 9 yo son l think !) Pauline Freeman
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Julia Soltoggio

To: ozeyescheme@...

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:50 PM

Subject: RE: [ozeyescheme] new victorian legislation

Hi Carol,

 

Do you mind if I cross post this to Sheltie lists that I’m on.

 

This is terrible and if passed will give more support and credence to the ACES scheme.  Definitely need to lobby against as much as we can. 

 

Cheers Julia,

Sunland Shetland Sheepdogs.

 

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Permission to cross granted

It has come to my attention early this evening that a new Animal care
bill,had its first reading in state parliament. If this bill is
allowed to proceed ,and become law ,it will be the beginning of the
end for the dog world as we know it. This bill is not only Draconian
in its aims to control dog breeding, but is also meant to effectively
cease and destroy any enjoyment we have as pure bred dog owners.

This bill will stop anyone who owns any Docked tail breed or has a
De-barked dog from being OWNED or SHOWN . This is only the tip of the
iceberg,as it will also allow any one who owns any breed of dog with a
docked tail or de-barked to be legally prosecuted,to the full powers
of the law. If we all sit back and wait for someone else to do
something about it,than it will be too late.We must step up and
contact our local member of parliament, to let them know resoundingly
of how we feel about this extreme prejudice against us,otherwise we
will surely become as extinct as our breeds will become. We need to
mobilize anyone who owns a docked tail breed of dog,and anyone who
owns one of our puppies to write and e-mail their local member, and
let them know that they will not get away with this.

These people only understand one thing,and that is VOTES.If we contact
them and flood their offices with mail and phone calls to let them
know their JOBS are on the line if they support this bill,than we
stand a chance,but we must stand UNITED in this as a single dog
body,both breeders and owners alike. If you believe that this is scare
mongering, than you better think again,as this is already going on
around the world.in the U.S.A just a few months ago in California a
similar bill was defeated only when pet owners joined forces with
members of the police department to help drum up support to defeat
that bill. We are surely becoming a Police State with the government
dictating on how and when and where, we can legally own a Pet.

This is only the start,,already there are plans to introduce more
breeds to the dangerous dogs list,amongst them, my own breed the
Rhodesian Ridgeback. It's no secret that Hugh Worth has a distinct
dislike for certain breeds and he now has the Department of Primary
Industry behind him to introduce legislation into parliament, to bring
it into effect. I have had to fight in the past to keep ownership of
my firearms,when both state and federal governments wanted to take
them away from me. As a member of the Sporting Shooters Association
with thousands of other members like myself,we managed to hold back
that tide and still have the right to own a firearm.

We cannot afford to sit back and watch this unfold,as every minute
counts.Call all your friends or email them where ever they may live
this will not stop here in Victoria.Once this bill goes through
parliament it will surely be only a matter of time before other states
follow . Every bit of hard work and sacrifice that you have put into
your loving breeds, the search to cure hereditary diseases and the
amount of data collated to prevent Hips and Elbow displaysia as well
as many other yet genetically known ailments that have been
found,through DNA researching by you the Dog World ,will be worth
nothing.These breeds as well as many others, will end up in the hands
of Back yard puppy farmers or worse puppy mills who care absolutely
nothing about the health or happiness of the dog,just the dollars they
can get for them by the pet stores. I ask you all to act as one and
contact as many people who will support us , and will help us to
defeat this bill ,and is prepared for a lot of hard work .

John Cassar
Kinshasa Rhodesian Ridgeback

1. Animals Legislation(Animal Care) Bill 2007
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dcb6cb0ca256da400837f6b/2AF75CFABA65BE5FCA2573700009C592/$FILE/561056bi1.PDF

2. Explanatory memorandum
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dcb6cb0ca256da400837f6b/2AF75CFABA65BE5FCA2573700009C592/$FILE/561056exi1.pdf

Permission to cross granted

It has come to my attention early this evening that a new Animal care
bill,had its first reading in state parliament. If this bill is
allowed to proceed ,and become law ,it will be the beginning of the
end for the dog world as we know it. This bill is not only Draconian
in its aims to control dog breeding, but is also meant to effectively
cease and destroy any enjoyment we have as pure bred dog owners.

This bill will stop anyone who owns any Docked tail breed or has a
De-barked dog from being OWNED or SHOWN . This is only the tip of the
iceberg,as it will also allow any one who owns any breed of dog with a
docked tail or de-barked to be legally prosecuted,to the full powers
of the law. If we all sit back and wait for someone else to do
something about it,than it will be too late.We must step up and
contact our local member of parliament, to let them know resoundingly
of how we feel about this extreme prejudice against us,otherwise we
will surely become as extinct as our breeds will become. We need to
mobilize anyone who owns a docked tail breed of dog,and anyone who
owns one of our puppies to write and e-mail their local member, and
let them know that they will not get away with this.

These people only understand one thing,and that is VOTES.If we contact
them and flood their offices with mail and phone calls to let them
know their JOBS are on the line if they support this bill,than we
stand a chance,but we must stand UNITED in this as a single dog
body,both breeders and owners alike. If you believe that this is scare
mongering, than you better think again,as this is already going on
around the world.in the U.S.A just a few months ago in California a
similar bill was defeated only when pet owners joined forces with
members of the police department  to help drum up support to defeat
that bill. We are surely becoming a Police State with the government
dictating on how and when and where, we can legally own a Pet.

This is only the start,,already there are plans to introduce more
breeds to the dangerous dogs list,amongst them, my own breed the
Rhodesian Ridgeback. It's no secret that Hugh Worth has a distinct
dislike for certain breeds and he now has the Department of Primary
Industry behind him to introduce legislation into parliament, to bring
it into effect. I have had to fight in the past to keep ownership of
my firearms,when both state and federal governments wanted to take
them away from me. As a member of the Sporting Shooters Association
with thousands of other members like myself,we managed to hold back
that tide and still have the right to own a firearm.

We cannot afford to sit back and watch this unfold,as every minute
counts.Call all your friends or email them where ever they may live
this will not stop here in Victoria.Once this bill goes through
parliament it will surely be only a matter of time before other states
follow . Every bit of hard work and sacrifice that you have put into
your loving breeds, the search to cure hereditary diseases and the
amount of data collated to prevent Hips and Elbow displaysia as well
as many other yet genetically known ailments that have been
found,through DNA researching by you the Dog World ,will be worth
nothing.These breeds as well as many others, will end up in the hands
of Back yard puppy farmers or worse puppy mills who care absolutely
nothing about the health or happiness of the dog,just the dollars they
can get for them by the pet stores. I ask you all to act as one and
contact as many people who will support  us , and will help us to
defeat  this bill ,and is prepared for a lot of hard work .

John Cassar
Kinshasa Rhodesian Ridgeback

1. Animals Legislation(Animal Care) Bill 2007
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dc\
b6cb0ca256da400837f6b/2AF75CFABA65BE5FCA2573700009C592/$FILE/561056bi1.PDF

2. Explanatory memorandum
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dc\
b6cb0ca256da400837f6b/2AF75CFABA65BE5FCA2573700009C592/$FILE/561056exi1.pdf

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Carol Eastley
Cloudforest Bernese
Tasmania

http://users.bigpond.net.au/cloudforest/cloudforest/


"The Animals Legislation (Animal Care) Bill has been released by the
Minister for Agriculture, the Hon Jo Helper MLA, in his second reading
speech on 11 Oct 2007."

In amongst all the changes was amendments to be made to other Bills of
Parliament namely the AMENDMENTS TO THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS ACT
1986

15C Breeding of animals with heritable defects
(1) A person must not, intentionally or recklessly, allow an animal with a
heritable defect to breed.
Penalty: 60 penalty units, in the case of a natural person.
300 penalty units, in the case of a body corporate.
(2) A person must not sell or dispose of an animal with a heritable defect,
if the person knows or is reckless as to whether the animal has a heritable
defect, unless the person who sells or disposes of the animal advises the
person to whom the animal is sold or disposed of (before the sale or
disposal) that the animal has the heritable defect.
Penalty: 60 penalty units, in the case of a natural person.
300 penalty units, in the case of a body corporate.
(3) In this section-
heritable defect, in relation to a species of animal set out in Column 1 of
the Table in the Schedule, means a heritable defect that is known to cause
the disease set out opposite the species of animal in Column 2 of the Table
in the Schedule.".

FURTHER AMENDMENT OF THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS ACT 1986
For the Schedule to the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1986
substitute-
"SCHEDULE
Section 15C
TABLE OF DISEASES CAUSED BY HERITABLE DEFECTS
Column 1
Species Column 2
Disease
Dogs Von Willebrand's Disease (VWD)
Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA)
Neuronal Ceroid Lipofuscinosis (NCL)
Collie Eye Anamoly (CEA/CH)
Hereditary Cataract (HC)
Cats Polycystic Kidney Disease (PKD)
Mutations causing aplasia or hypoplasia of any long bone
Folded ears due to osteochondrodysplasia
.".

Mutations causing aplasia or hypoplasia of any long bone
Folded ears due to osteochondrodysplasia
.".
The link to the legislation is:
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/W...a256da400837f6b