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#440 From: "roughsandsmooths" <roughsandsmooths@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:14 am
Subject:: ACES UPDATE
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Sorry that my message came through twice. When I first came into this list today, I sent through a number of replies only to have them not appear. I then discovered that I had been bounced (as the owner of the list I had not been expecting that) and it took me forever to get it but up and running so I could post again.......and then I managed to get in two.......:D


Anyway back to the important stuff:

This is a quick update for those that haven't already caught up with the October ANKC conference outcomes.

Even though I put forward a petition to have ACES abolished (which by the way was sent to the TCA to be included with other letters from the Tas Collie and Shetland Sheepdog Club to go to the ANKC conference) the real problem was the documents that support and are attached  to this this Scheme.  

(For those that want a refresher you can find all the relevant stuff in our files on this site)

A summary of the ANKC minutes state:


3.6 Australian Canine Eye Scheme (ACES)


It was resolved for the ANKC to request further changes to the wording of the ACES documents.


These changes together with other concerns are to be addressed by the ANKC President at a meeting with the AVA Ophthalmologists Panel.


I am not sure exactly what or which "requested changes" will be asked for  –  however The Tasmanian Collie and Shetland Sheepdog club will be chasing this up through our Tas Delegate and the Tas Health Committee and we will also be awaiting to hear the results of the meeting of the ANKC president and the AVA Oph. Panel.


But at least the ANKC has noted and obviously agrees that there are issues with the documentation to this scheme.


Cheers Mim


#441 From: Robyn Bennett <jillaroo49@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:40 am
Subject:: RE: ACES UPDATE
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I for one am very happy ACES has been ratified. I cannot understand why anyone would want to use any other shceme, when this schem stops all the various forgeries that have been taking place for many years.
 
I have had quite in depth discusssions with Dr Roberston, and I understand the scheme will over time become more user friendly, but as it stands I would not even consider an eye test unless by an ACES member.
 
And for those that do not know, I have already had one of these ACES tests re-examined by Dr Robertson himself and had it overturned. But at least, this is a true test of the system, and not just a second opinion, or a thord, until I get the reading I want!!


Cheers
 
Robyn Bennett
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To: ozeyescheme@...
From: roughsandsmooths@...
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:14:41 +0000
Subject: [ozeyescheme] ACES UPDATE

Sorry that my message came through twice. When I first came into this list today, I sent through a number of replies only to have them not appear. I then discovered that I had been bounced (as the owner of the list I had not been expecting that) and it took me forever to get it but up and running so I could post again.......and then I managed to get in two.......:D

Anyway back to the important stuff:
This is a quick update for those that haven't already caught up with the October ANKC conference outcomes.
Even though I put forward a petition to have ACES abolished (which by the way was sent to the TCA to be included with other letters from the Tas Collie and Shetland Sheepdog Club to go to the ANKC conference) the real problem was the documents that support and are attached  to this this Scheme.  
(For those that want a refresher you can find all the relevant stuff in our files on this site)
A summary of the ANKC minutes state:

3.6 Australian Canine Eye Scheme (ACES)


It was resolved for the ANKC to request further changes to the wording of the ACES documents.

These changes together with other concerns are to be addressed by the ANKC President at a meeting with the AVA Ophthalmologists Panel.

I am not sure exactly what or which "requested changes" will be asked for  –  however The Tasmanian Collie and Shetland Sheepdog club will be chasing this up through our Tas Delegate and the Tas Health Committee and we will also be awaiting to hear the results of the meeting of the ANKC president and the AVA Oph. Panel.

But at least the ANKC has noted and obviously agrees that there are issues with the documentation to this scheme.

Cheers Mim




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#442 From: "Shelbrae Kennels" <tanksalot@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:36 am
Subject:: Re: ACES UPDATE
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What are you saying Robyn - that an eye test not done by an Aces Vet is not a reputable one?
 
Leslie
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#444 From: "Robyn" <jillaroo49@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:29 am
Subject:: Re: ACES UPDATE
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Sorry to take so long to respond to this query.

No I am not saying that at all, what I am saying though is that there have, over
time, been many breeders out there, who get a clear eye reading for a dog on a
certificate that is not numbered, dog not microchipped etc, and then use
photocopys of that certificate, tamper with the dogs details and pass them off
as certificates for clear eyed dogs that have never been tested.

At least with an ACES certificate, there is a guarantee the dog the certificate
is for is accurate for that dog, as the microchip number is checked against the
dogs registration papers.

If you are not pleased with the reading, you have the right of appeal, so one
test is not a fullstop to proceedings. Also there are vets out there giving eye
certificates when they are not even a certified opthamoligist. So where does
that leave those of us that want to see true and correct readings for future
reference with the breeding of our lines?

Why is it, that we accept only certain people can give accurate hip and elbow
scores, but we baulk at an eye scheme that offers reliable recording of results?

Regardless of other opinions, I fully accept and endorse ACES and have all my
dogs tested accordingly, and would not accept a bitch to one of my dogs unless
it too either had an ACES certificate for itself, or both parents if possible.

Cheers
Robyn

--- In ozeyescheme@..., "Shelbrae Kennels" <tanksalot@...> wrote:
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> What are you saying Robyn - that an eye test not done by an Aces Vet is not a
reputable one?
>
> Leslie
> Shelbrae Shelties
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