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Hi Sara and all Pirsigeans.<br>Holland seems to
be Pirsig's most fertile ground beside Scandinavia,
wonder why. It looks like a pioneer country in many
respects - the last being the euthanasia approval which I
think is a wise step, but one that our bigoted pundits
condemn out of hand: it will lead to mass murder, it
sounds. Sensitive stuff though. <br><br>Re. your
omplaints about judging things properly I don't know if the
MOQ can provide a patent tool for particular
problems, many become disappointed by such a statement, the
Quality idea sounds like such a measuring rod - but IMO:
The thing that counts is to find the MEANING to what
happens. I mean, one may suffer all kinds of
disappointments, but they are tragedies only to the point they are
regarded pointless, once one sees a meaning, everything
can be endured - even gladly. <br><br>It may sound as
if I(want to make it sound)was such a profound
thinker when young, but in a general way I was haunted by
the absurdity of what RMP calls the subject/object
metaphysics (at that time I knew of no SOM of course, but
thought it was the way reality had been created). I can't
elaborate here, but the "mind/matter"-dualism robs ALL
existence of meaning. Then I had this my quality-like
insight that at first seemed like a revelation, but
slowly scared me when meeting blank stares (I don't
blame anyone) and for years I went around with the
dread of being insane. That's why the meeting with
Pirsig was such an enormous relief; finally one other
person with ideas like my own only much clearly
expressed. In another form admittedly, but
recognizable.<br><br>And finally here is the point of my "meaning"
agument. To me ZMM - and later the fullfledged MOQ of LILA
- changed absurdity into meaning. How/why? That's
the difficult part to convey, but I will go on trying
<br><br>It's easy to sound like a guru in writing, many are
disappointed upon meeting this shy and awkward person in
real-time settings, but one of the reliefs of the MOQ is
that the intellectual (writing) me is every bit as
real as the biological and social me. Your
depreciatory description of yourself may be just the opposite;
you are possibly regarded the most outgoing and
sociable person around. Anyway the activities you tell
about sound positive and constructive
(meaningful)enough for me, particularly the restoration of the
wooden schooner and sailing with it.<br>You will be all
right Sara ...You can sort of tell these things. <br>Bo
Hi Bo<br>I agree with your description of how the MOQ kicks the chair from under other, conventional philosophy, i see RP as giving the beautiful framework for...
Hi Sara and all Pirsigeans.<br>Holland seems to be Pirsig's most fertile ground beside Scandinavia, wonder why. It looks like a pioneer country in many ...
Hi Pirsig Club members.<br>As no-one else posts I have to start talking to myself (a sure sign of old age). In my reply to Sara (Caledonia) I touched upon ...
Hi Bo<br>Sorry to have remained unresponsive. I enjoyed reading and thinking about your message. I have also been reading your personal philosophical notes... ...
Hi Bo, Sara and other lurkers,<br><br>I read both of your posts found them both interesting. <br><br>Bo, I find how you said that society and technology has...
Hi Geoff<br>Good to 'hear' your voice again! No 'thanks' necessary, anyway, I'm enjoying taking part in this site, and its not yours alone anyway, so dont get ...
Hi Sara and Geoff and all.<br>Thanks for the response. My messages aren't much of a dialogue rather like a Moses down from the mountain so I understand that ...
(continued)<br>The rise of the euthanasia question I see as a manifestation of the collective (social) value and the uncanny feeling we experience in its wake...
Yes, it seems I am reading ZMM again. <br>I think I missed out a whole lot things the first way through and I am now to years older.<br>So I'll give it another...
Not that it's going to change anything, but were Chris Pirsig's killers ever "brought to justice"? I've not been able to find anything about that on the...
Geoff said:<br><br>>Bo, I find how you said that society and >technology has advanced interesting. <br>>Vegetable-like Humans without the technoloy...
A brief, first reply to your interesting, but confusing mail! Call me thick, but I found it difficult to follow your point! A few initial points and ...
Halooo...<br>Is there anybody out there?<br>Was it something I wrote, or is it holiday time for everyone?<br>Has noone anything to say or discuss about ...
Sorry for not posting lately.<br><br>The reason is that I have exams approaching next week so I have been hard at study.<br><br>After next week and a bit, I...
Hi Pirsig Club.<br>We suddenly got relatives visiting from the USA and I had to act the host, but now things are back to normal.<br><br>For Geoff.<br>Stay with...
GOOOD LUCK with your studies Geoff - what's your subject(s)?<br>You didn't mention how you got on with ZMM the 2nd time around - any flashy, quick comments in...
Hi KA<br>You did not get any response to your question about the murder of Chris Pirsig, but I'm afraid that I have no new information on the matter other than...
Update,<br><br>I have now completed 2 of my 5 exams.<br>English and Economics have been completed,<br>Accounting, Math with Stats and Classical Studies ...
Pirsig fans.<br>Internet discussions seem to have only two modes: full ahead and dead stop. I participate in another site (Colin Wilson) which is overflowing...
HI Bo and all (all 2 of us regulars!!??? say something, anything , someone else, PLEASE!!!)<br><br>Im back from a sailing week (as mate, and singing ...
Hi Bo, Sara & all,<br><br>I agree that Pirsig needs a popularizer. The brutal volume of advertising that hits people every day makes it difficult for them to...
Hallo Joao<br>Nice to here another voice here - where are you writing from - Brazil? <br>(I have a fascination with Bahia as I co-own a saveiro buiklt in ...
Hello Sara, Bo, Joao & all,<br><br>I’ve been keeping away from potential discussions, as I really need to reread both Lila and ZMM. <br><br>Sara, I like ...
Joao and Club.<br>I thought we had met before - at the Lila Squad perhaps - but see that you are a Wilson club member too. OK that's fine, you'll perhaps have...
I think a popularizer of Pirsig are in fact his many readers. My brother's friend recommended that I read 'ZMM'. This 'word of mouth' allowed me to discover...
Yes Geoff, and what I was trying to add in my mailings was that, it is by being affected by Pirsig and seeing how quality can be achieved in every day in our ...
Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...