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Re: Euthanasia and the MOQ, part 1.

Hi Bo<br>Sorry to have remained unresponsive. I
enjoyed reading and thinking about your message. I have
also been reading your personal philosophical notes...
but didn't have anything meaningful to communicate
back, so remained dumb (my specialty). You were right
about my being considered outward going by many - a
real socialite in the old days - but dont worry about
your being an old fogie, it's what's inside that
counts!<br>Although I don't listen to the news much, your note about
euthanasia meant I actually read the papers, I was
interested in the 'kill pill' options being considered here
in the Netherlands. I think the way to use such an
'end it all' option is still rather vague, and only
intended for the aged, who are in severe pain, but it
certainly opens up a can of wriggling worm-like ideas to
wrestle with. Who can decide who is allowed to kill
themselves? Like with hanging, wont there always be
mistakes?<br> Won't 'god'(or beauty or quality or ultimate
truth) be angry at humans for defying the gift of
life?<br>This new law, or by-law, fits with NL 'laissez faire'
approach generally. Its not really being openminded, but
allowing others to choose for themselves whether to smoke
dope, go to a whore, etc. (Infact these are not
actually legal practises here, but are 'tolerated' within
strict limits). Despite some international cliche
hurling, the dutch are not over-the-top, law stretching
folk, but very, very democratic... to the point where
most are dully bourgeois (the opposite to openminded
in my opinion!)<br>So they have achieved a high
level of social quality in their country, and intend to
be as fair to all as possible. SO it makes sense
that they would consider the personal wishes of
severly ill people<br>I'm off the clean off some of the
muck I collected helping friends on their 'platbodem'
shiptoday, and motorbiking in the rain on muddy roads... I
look forward to reading your mail in more
detail.<br>Sara




Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:47 pm

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Hi Pirsig Club members.<br>As no-one else posts I have to start talking to myself (a sure sign of old age). In my reply to Sara (Caledonia) I touched upon ...
bo34no
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Apr 25, 2001
8:15 am

Hi Bo<br>Sorry to have remained unresponsive. I enjoyed reading and thinking about your message. I have also been reading your personal philosophical notes... ...
caledonia1963
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Apr 25, 2001
4:47 pm

Hi Bo, Sara and other lurkers,<br><br>I read both of your posts found them both interesting. <br><br>Bo, I find how you said that society and technology has...
enlightenedphilosopher
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Apr 27, 2001
6:16 am

Hi Geoff<br>Good to 'hear' your voice again! No 'thanks' necessary, anyway, I'm enjoying taking part in this site, and its not yours alone anyway, so dont get ...
caledonia1963
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Apr 27, 2001
9:56 am

Hi Sara and Geoff and all.<br>Thanks for the response. My messages aren't much of a dialogue rather like a Moses down from the mountain so I understand that ...
bo34no
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Apr 27, 2001
7:54 pm

(continued)<br>The rise of the euthanasia question I see as a manifestation of the collective (social) value and the uncanny feeling we experience in its wake...
bo34no
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Apr 27, 2001
7:56 pm

Yes, it seems I am reading ZMM again. <br>I think I missed out a whole lot things the first way through and I am now to years older.<br>So I'll give it another...
enlightenedphilosopher
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May 3, 2001
10:45 am

Not that it's going to change anything, but were Chris Pirsig's killers ever "brought to justice"? I've not been able to find anything about that on the...
yah_me
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May 5, 2001
8:32 pm

Geoff said:<br><br>&gt;Bo, I find how you said that society and &gt;technology has advanced interesting. <br>&gt;Vegetable-like Humans without the technoloy...
bo34no
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May 7, 2001
5:49 am

A brief, first reply to your interesting, but confusing mail! Call me thick, but I found it difficult to follow your point! A few initial points and ...
caledonia1963
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May 8, 2001
10:41 am

Halooo...<br>Is there anybody out there?<br>Was it something I wrote, or is it holiday time for everyone?<br>Has noone anything to say or discuss about ...
caledonia1963
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May 17, 2001
11:04 am

Sorry for not posting lately.<br><br>The reason is that I have exams approaching next week so I have been hard at study.<br><br>After next week and a bit, I...
enlightenedphilosopher
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May 18, 2001
6:01 am

Hi Pirsig Club.<br>We suddenly got relatives visiting from the USA and I had to act the host, but now things are back to normal.<br><br>For Geoff.<br>Stay with...
bo34no
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May 18, 2001
9:23 am

GOOOD LUCK with your studies Geoff - what's your subject(s)?<br>You didn't mention how you got on with ZMM the 2nd time around - any flashy, quick comments in...
caledonia1963
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May 18, 2001
5:48 pm

Hi KA<br>You did not get any response to your question about the murder of Chris Pirsig, but I'm afraid that I have no new information on the matter other than...
bo34no
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May 23, 2001
6:59 am

Update,<br><br>I have now completed 2 of my 5 exams.<br>English and Economics have been completed,<br>Accounting, Math with Stats and Classical Studies ...
enlightenedphilosopher
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May 25, 2001
11:41 pm

Pirsig fans.<br>Internet discussions seem to have only two modes: full ahead and dead stop. I participate in another site (Colin Wilson) which is overflowing...
bo34no
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May 31, 2001
6:57 pm

HI Bo and all (all 2 of us regulars!!??? say something, anything , someone else, PLEASE!!!)<br><br>Im back from a sailing week (as mate, and singing ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 1, 2001
11:27 am

Hi Bo, Sara & all,<br><br>I agree that Pirsig needs a popularizer. The brutal volume of advertising that hits people every day makes it difficult for them to...
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Jun 1, 2001
5:27 pm

Hallo Joao<br>Nice to here another voice here - where are you writing from - Brazil? <br>(I have a fascination with Bahia as I co-own a saveiro buiklt in ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 2, 2001
10:22 am

Hello Sara, Bo, Joao & all,<br><br>I’ve been keeping away from potential discussions, as I really need to reread both Lila and ZMM. <br><br>Sara, I like ...
discoverylover
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Jun 2, 2001
3:23 pm

Joao and Club.<br>I thought we had met before - at the Lila Squad perhaps - but see that you are a Wilson club member too. OK that's fine, you'll perhaps have...
bo34no
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Jun 3, 2001
8:21 am

I think a popularizer of Pirsig are in fact his many readers. My brother's friend recommended that I read 'ZMM'. This 'word of mouth' allowed me to discover...
enlightenedphilosopher
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Jun 3, 2001
8:27 am

Yes Geoff, and what I was trying to add in my mailings was that, it is by being affected by Pirsig and seeing how quality can be achieved in every day in our ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 3, 2001
11:43 am

Bo, I find what you wrote interesting; I’m waiting for a continuation....
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Jun 3, 2001
12:22 pm

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joao_csilva
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Jun 3, 2001
4:13 pm

Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
caledonia1963
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Jun 4, 2001
8:53 am

Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...
caledonia1963
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Jun 4, 2001
9:10 am

For Diana: <br>As said I launched this my "change-over-time" idea at another site but was informed that a science-writer, Robert A. Wilson, had anticipated it...
bo34no
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Jun 5, 2001
7:31 am

Hi Sara,<br>You can find the afterword here:<br><a href=http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/afterword.html...
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