Hi Pirsig Club.<br>We suddenly got relatives
visiting from the USA and I had to act the host, but now
things are back to normal.<br><br>For Geoff.<br>Stay
with your school work, we want many (Pirsig)doctors in
our midst.<br><br>Sara! <br>You may remember your
comments to my "commentys"? Anyway this is what I started
to write before the relatives arrived.
<br><br>Confusing! Perhaps. I spent such a long time at the
moq.org.discussions that I take too much for granted. About the
euthanasia issue my opinion is the one about a "last will".
If a written <br>statement is made - OK, but I still
can't see the connection to death penalty. Our
(Norwegian)"Life Testament" is an arrangement initiated by a
movement called "The Human Ethics", but is just about
stopping life-prolonging treatment.<br><br>(Sara): <br>You
said &lt;&lt;the notion of truth is THE major
Intellectual pattern .....&gt;&gt; (snip) I think I am missing
the point rather here! And I think <br>it is a
central one! Can you expand on this difficult subject of
TRUTH and its relation to the 'intellectual level' a
bit? Do you mean <br>that TRUTH exists as the highest
value (Q) in intellectual terms? Perhaps I am still
thinking is Subject /Object terms too much to grasp these
points fully?<br><br>(Me):<br>Thanks for asking me to
expound on this point.<br>You know the paradox that
whatever one says, truth receedes a step back. The
statement ..there is no truth .. becomes a new "truth" etc.
Objectivity counter subjectivity (SOM)is seemingly foolprof,
but here its logic fails and is a dangerous path for
those who demands consistency. In my opinion this was
what broke poor Phaerus of ZAMM. SOM is a mighty tool
but it's like the Sorcerer's Apprentice story, he
knew how to start but not how to stop. P. became its
victim, but somehow he had this vision from the "insane"
no-man's land from where he saw that SOM is a myth of its
own. <br><br>"Truth" a myth?! Isn't that a slippery
slope back into barbarity? Yes, it is. The notion of
what is objective in contrast to subjective is the one
greatest evolutionary step and in my opinion the
"Intellectual level" of the MoQ. This is my interpretation of
the MoQ and something that not all agree with me
about (possibly not Pirsig himself who said he did not
see what it was supposed to solve). For me it solved
EVERYTHING!<br><br>If the "true/false" distinction is the whole
Intellectual Level - and not merely one single intellectual
pattern - it also means that the Q-evolution is in the
process of shaking the intellectual "chains" and that is
also the natural development according to the MoQ
tenets. <br><br>OK this is more than enough. It may sound
as if I left the moq.org to start a new sect over
here, but no, Pirsig is the leading light. <br>Bo