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HI Bo and all (all 2 of us regulars!!??? say
something, anything , someone else, PLEASE!!!)<br><br>Im
back from a sailing week (as mate, and singing
entertainer on a charter ship on the Waddenzee for the
Hemelvaart holidays)... and ready to do a bit of thinking
again - action is necessary for the body, but thought
seems required to stop killing myself with exestential
angst or boredom at the seeming meaninglessness of it
all. <br>Hence my Pirsig interest.<br>About occultism.
I think we all have to keep as open minds as
possible. As Metaphysics is supposed to be where we expand
our human understanding of the universe around us and
within us... so UFOs and other strange reports should be
looked at. <br>My own other focus at the moment is to
look to the very strange world of my own psyche. My
own 'inner space' via dreams and learning Jungian
'active imagination' to try and access more of my human
potential*** through working out our neuroses and unhealthy
thinking and behaviour patterns learned in childhood and
through overcoming our (modern) culture which "recognises
creativity only conditionally" (Dr C.P Estes, author
+jungian analyst and storyteller).<br>*** I mention this
as I think in order to move on as humans, and
achieve a higher state of being, authors such as Pirsig
and Wilson are key, but it's by each individual
striving and contuinually living a creative lif, true to
one's inner direction that fuels this process. Being
true to ones inner directions and strengths on a daily
basis, and, when necessary, bravely facing ridicule,
misunderstanding or opposition of one's own upbringing, society or
tradition is key.<br>This may sound rather flimsey, but i
think I'm on to something!.<br>SO I'd say it's not so
much a case of finding a way to popularise Pirsig
DIRECTLY that is needed, but giving the message that what
inspires you is worth while, whatever it is. If you follow
those sparks of inpiration, with hard work and daily,
plodding meticulous grind to keep the bring something
(anything)into the world you will bring the world further. - so
long as you remain critical and true to the difficult
process of keeping the creative process clear.<br>This
can be realised in the simplest or most complicated
ways. Living your life as mother or hairdresser
'truthfully' is going to have its effect on the world. Not so
much as a great scientist or writer perhaps, but still
its important to sanction peoples individual
creativity.<br>OK Im rambling here - time to go and sand a schooner
some more... but I hope I communicate some of my
optimism about positive change through person action -
however small and seeminlgy insignificant our works may
seem in the big universe!<br><br>My message: Pirsig is
one of many voices of truth and beauty. We should all
try to listen to those wierd rumbings inside and
outside, and make something heard, according to your
special voice.<br>Sara
Pirsig fans.<br>Internet discussions seem to have only two modes: full ahead and dead stop. I participate in another site (Colin Wilson) which is overflowing...
HI Bo and all (all 2 of us regulars!!??? say something, anything , someone else, PLEASE!!!)<br><br>Im back from a sailing week (as mate, and singing ...
Hi Bo, Sara & all,<br><br>I agree that Pirsig needs a popularizer. The brutal volume of advertising that hits people every day makes it difficult for them to...
Hallo Joao<br>Nice to here another voice here - where are you writing from - Brazil? <br>(I have a fascination with Bahia as I co-own a saveiro buiklt in ...
Hello Sara, Bo, Joao & all,<br><br>I’ve been keeping away from potential discussions, as I really need to reread both Lila and ZMM. <br><br>Sara, I like ...
Joao and Club.<br>I thought we had met before - at the Lila Squad perhaps - but see that you are a Wilson club member too. OK that's fine, you'll perhaps have...
I think a popularizer of Pirsig are in fact his many readers. My brother's friend recommended that I read 'ZMM'. This 'word of mouth' allowed me to discover...
Yes Geoff, and what I was trying to add in my mailings was that, it is by being affected by Pirsig and seeing how quality can be achieved in every day in our ...
Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...
For Diana: <br>As said I launched this my "change-over-time" idea at another site but was informed that a science-writer, Robert A. Wilson, had anticipated it...
Hey Jaoa<br>I checked out the Tao of Poo site a coupkle of days ago. Very sweet! I still have fond memories or being read Poo as a child in Scotland. ...
Thanks for this Jaoa...<br>I found it deeply sad, but beautifully written piece.<br>COndolences to him and all who have suffered the loss of a close loved ...
Hi all!<br>Diana - yes, I like your description about how pain helps us. I too am rather vague about the process, as this is the first time in my life I am...
Hi Sara and Pirsig readers.<br>This small "club" is such an relaxing place compared to the bedlam of the Lila Squad and I should beware of introducing any ...
OK it may be relaxed here Bo, but i dont mind a bit of controversy to stir the cobwebs in my brain!<br>What is the particular shocker you were aluding to in ...
Hi all! <br><br>May I come in? <br><br>I'm glad to enter this small club. I'd say it's relaxing, as I'm used to the crowded *agora* of MD and MF. Someone of...
Hi "deadlytoy" and Club.<br>Quite a password you have chosen for yourself Marco, but warmly welcome to this recreation home for us wounded on the battlefields...
HI all<br>Wll done for the mammoth task of starting an Italian site,Marco. I hope it is fun as well as serious hard work!<br>I thought I'd follow on on the...
Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
Hi Sara and Group.<br>Your "trannies" message was directed mainly to Marco, but as he seems to be away discovering China (Marco Polo!) and everyone else away...
Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some consequent parts of Lila. I found some similar points with phenomenology. Phenomenology is a ...
I have a fascination with the tacky, kitsch, souvenirs we human collect from holidays and trips in an attempt to fix those events in our minds through looking ...