Joao and Club.<br>I thought we had met before -
at the Lila Squad perhaps - but see that you are a
Wilson club member too. OK that's fine, you'll perhaps
have noticed me acting the Pirsig "mole" over
there.<br><br>You are right ...brutal volume of advertising... says
it and the Quality IDEA will possibly not make it as
a product on the marketplace and yet it will make
it somehow. When the time is ripe ideas spread as if
by magic, and not only 'intellectual patterns' but
knowledge in its widest sense, you have possibly heard
about the birds opening milk bottles and the monkey's
potato washing technique spreading over great distances
and across the seas. I can't see what other direction
evolution (in its widest sense) may take right now. I have
this my pet idea that I have shown at the CW site, but
for the benefit of those here I repeat it?
<br><br>Using a hundred year yardstick, a person from 1900
would be completely lost to-day, one from 1800 would
find 1900 a bit strange but manageable. A 1700 person
would recognize most tools and procedures in 1800
(except for the political changes) and so it goes until
there is no perceptibe changes - one from year 8oo
would find nothing new in 900 ...except for the people.
This makes a change/time curve that is almost flat
aeons and then slowly starting to rise around the
Renaissance - more at the Industrial Revolution - and having
become steeper and steeper ever since. There are more
new products (and procedures connected with them)
made during the last few years than throughout the
whole of history. I spoke about a person from 1900
being lost in 2000, but in the infotech branch one is
outdated if away for some months these days (I read about
one who was sacked after a long sick leave). Now, my
idea is that such sinus curves can't go on - it's
forbidden mathematically - there can't be infinitely much
change over no time. But what is there to stop it?
Innovation has become economy itself and the smallest sign
of abation sends shockwaves into the stock exchanges
and experts to talk about stagnation and make it
sound as if collapse is just around the
corner.<br><br>I could go on about this ..... how the Western
world seems locked into a relentless race and tries to
convert all to its progress religion by first creating
the fear of poverty (its "sin") and hope for
development (salvation) and can't comprehend how - for
instance - Islamic fundamentalists refuse to be
converted......but will stop. My idea is of course that the Quality
Metaphysics not only explains the West/Islamic conflict, but
also represent a change for change to stop. How? I
will try to explain, but for now close and join you in
"..you can sort of tell these things." <br>Bo
Hello Sara, Bo, Joao & all,<br><br>I’ve been keeping away from potential discussions, as I really need to reread both Lila and ZMM. <br><br>Sara, I like ...
Joao and Club.<br>I thought we had met before - at the Lila Squad perhaps - but see that you are a Wilson club member too. OK that's fine, you'll perhaps have...
I think a popularizer of Pirsig are in fact his many readers. My brother's friend recommended that I read 'ZMM'. This 'word of mouth' allowed me to discover...
Yes Geoff, and what I was trying to add in my mailings was that, it is by being affected by Pirsig and seeing how quality can be achieved in every day in our ...
Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...
For Diana: <br>As said I launched this my "change-over-time" idea at another site but was informed that a science-writer, Robert A. Wilson, had anticipated it...
Hey Jaoa<br>I checked out the Tao of Poo site a coupkle of days ago. Very sweet! I still have fond memories or being read Poo as a child in Scotland. ...
Thanks for this Jaoa...<br>I found it deeply sad, but beautifully written piece.<br>COndolences to him and all who have suffered the loss of a close loved ...
Hi all!<br>Diana - yes, I like your description about how pain helps us. I too am rather vague about the process, as this is the first time in my life I am...
Hi Sara and Pirsig readers.<br>This small "club" is such an relaxing place compared to the bedlam of the Lila Squad and I should beware of introducing any ...
OK it may be relaxed here Bo, but i dont mind a bit of controversy to stir the cobwebs in my brain!<br>What is the particular shocker you were aluding to in ...
Hi all! <br><br>May I come in? <br><br>I'm glad to enter this small club. I'd say it's relaxing, as I'm used to the crowded *agora* of MD and MF. Someone of...
Hi "deadlytoy" and Club.<br>Quite a password you have chosen for yourself Marco, but warmly welcome to this recreation home for us wounded on the battlefields...
HI all<br>Wll done for the mammoth task of starting an Italian site,Marco. I hope it is fun as well as serious hard work!<br>I thought I'd follow on on the...
Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
Hi Sara and Group.<br>Your "trannies" message was directed mainly to Marco, but as he seems to be away discovering China (Marco Polo!) and everyone else away...
Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some consequent parts of Lila. I found some similar points with phenomenology. Phenomenology is a ...
I have a fascination with the tacky, kitsch, souvenirs we human collect from holidays and trips in an attempt to fix those events in our minds through looking ...
Nowadays people prefer to live on the move: they want to travel, to explore new places. They want more freedom, more options in life. <br><br>Is this an...
Bo: << is that Husserl or Heidegger or ..? >><br><br>Yes, exactly. I’m not too much familiar with it myself. But it seems to me that they...
Hi Club! <br><br>Here again, sorry if I can stumble across this place just once a month... anyway, I've seen very good posts, so maybe you don't need me ... ...