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Re: The World needs the Quality Idea.

Olá Bo & all,<br><br>I remember you from "The
Quality Event", but never wrote to the Lila Squad, and
only joined the CW after you mentioned it. In the last
two months I've been posting to the moq focus, and
trying to recall ZMM & Lila. I read Lila a long time ago
(3 years?), and didn't "digest" it properly (lack of
*avalability*, you know?) 'cause I went too fast and my english
was +/-. ZMM, on the other hand, is quite present, as
I went through it many times. Yesterday, I started
reading "The Tao of Pooh" (simple & fast reading) and I'm
on my way to Lila. Hope I have the energy..
<br><br>Don't know if you heard of this book.. these links can
give a good idea of it (bet you'll like it, Geoff -
and it has a lot in common with Sara's
writings):<br><br><a href=http://gweezlebur.com/pooh/index.html
target=new>http://gweezlebur.com/pooh/index.html</a><br><a
href=http://www.just-pooh.com/tao.html
target=new>http://www.just-pooh.com/tao.html</a><br><br>By the way, I'm writing
from Portugal.. also find
the Bahia fascinating, Sara, and Brazil in general..
while NZ plays a bit of a mystical role 'cause its in
the "antipodes"(?) of Portugal (this comes from
childhood..)<br><br>"..such sinus curves can't go on - it's forbidden
mathematically.." <br>I think a lot about this.. with the kind of
evolution taking place, (exponential growth in population,
food & energy consumption, pollution production,..)
maybe "space" will be the way out (!) for the future
(western) generations. <br><br>For a start, I would like to
see the "Economic indicators" - as these gain a life
of its own and start "steering" world life -
evolve.. (the United Nations Development Programme is
pointing good directions - but the adoption of that kind
of reasoning is slow (or
stopped))<br><br><a href=http://www.undp.org/hdro/
target=new>http://www.undp.org/hdro/</a><br><a
href=http://www.undp.org/hdro/highlights/statistics.html
target=new>http://www.undp.org/hdro/highlights/statistics.html</a><br><br>Consid\
er, for example, access to safe water, water
withdrawals, renewable water resources, supply of calories fat
& protein, infant mortality, adult literacy,
unemployment, refugies, child labour, slavery, women rights,
work time, suicide rates, jailings, juvenile
convictions, rapes, homicides, housing, sanitation,
dependency, renewable energy use, nuclear waste, hazardous
waste, waste recycling, protected areas, carbon dioxide
emissions, sulfur dioxide emmissions, deforestation, massive
extintion of species, civil rights in general, public
spending in education, in health, in military, phone TV
computer & internet access - info-exclusion, tuberculosis
malaria & AIDS cases,.. I guess it never stops.<br><br>It
is consensual (?) that half of the world population
lives under conditions that the european and the
american (at least) journalists consider sub-human. ..and
yet there's not a lot of action.<br><br>This is
getting long.. I'll leave Pirsig for another time.. he's
always present, anyway.<br><br>Cheers,<br>
João<br><br><br>PS:"..birds opening milk bottles and the monkey's potato
washing technique spreading over great distances and
across the seas.." - where can I find this, Bo? Like
Diana, I'm enthusiastic about your future explanation..




Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:13 pm

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Bo, I find what you wrote interesting; I’m waiting for a continuation....
discoverylover
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Jun 3, 2001
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joao_csilva
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Jun 3, 2001
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Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
caledonia1963
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Jun 4, 2001
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Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...
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Jun 4, 2001
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For Diana: <br>As said I launched this my "change-over-time" idea at another site but was informed that a science-writer, Robert A. Wilson, had anticipated it...
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Jun 5, 2001
7:31 am

Hi Sara,<br>You can find the afterword here:<br><a href=http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/afterword.html...
joao_csilva
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Jun 5, 2001
3:38 pm

Hey Jaoa<br>I checked out the Tao of Poo site a coupkle of days ago. Very sweet! I still have fond memories or being read Poo as a child in Scotland. ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 8, 2001
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Thanks for this Jaoa...<br>I found it deeply sad, but beautifully written piece.<br>COndolences to him and all who have suffered the loss of a close loved ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 10, 2001
7:50 am

Sara, I think I understand what you are saying about pain. It seems to me that pain helps me ‘unlock’ myself; it opens a kind of sensitivity in me....
discoverylover
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Jun 10, 2001
10:25 pm

Hi all!<br>Diana - yes, I like your description about how pain helps us. I too am rather vague about the process, as this is the first time in my life I am...
caledonia1963
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Jun 12, 2001
7:55 am

Hi Sara and Pirsig readers.<br>This small "club" is such an relaxing place compared to the bedlam of the Lila Squad and I should beware of introducing any ...
bo34no
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Jun 13, 2001
7:46 am

OK it may be relaxed here Bo, but i dont mind a bit of controversy to stir the cobwebs in my brain!<br>What is the particular shocker you were aluding to in ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 15, 2001
8:53 am

Hi all! <br><br>May I come in? <br><br>I'm glad to enter this small club. I'd say it's relaxing, as I'm used to the crowded *agora* of MD and MF. Someone of...
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Jun 22, 2001
6:00 pm

Hi "deadlytoy" and Club.<br>Quite a password you have chosen for yourself Marco, but warmly welcome to this recreation home for us wounded on the battlefields...
bo34no
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Jun 23, 2001
4:57 pm

HI all<br>Wll done for the mammoth task of starting an Italian site,Marco. I hope it is fun as well as serious hard work!<br>I thought I'd follow on on the...
caledonia1963
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Jun 25, 2001
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Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
caledonia63
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Jul 1, 2001
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Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
caledonia63
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Jul 15, 2001
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Where is everybody?<br>Calling all Pirsig readers - write down a line... someone! - and start this ghostly site again - I'm getting lonely here all...
caledonia63
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Jul 15, 2001
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Hi Sara and Group.<br>Your "trannies" message was directed mainly to Marco, but as he seems to be away discovering China (Marco Polo!) and everyone else away...
bo34no
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Jul 17, 2001
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Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some consequent parts of Lila. I found some similar points with phenomenology. Phenomenology is a ...
discoverylover
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Jul 18, 2001
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I'm glad to be chatting again!<br>What were the 'consequent' pages you were reading Geoff? - Do let us know how your reading makes sense to you, ...
caledonia63
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Jul 20, 2001
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I have a fascination with the tacky, kitsch, souvenirs we human collect from holidays and trips in an attempt to fix those events in our minds through looking ...
caledonia63
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Jul 20, 2001
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Nowadays people prefer to live on the move: they want to travel, to explore new places. They want more freedom, more options in life. <br><br>Is this an...
discoverylover
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Jul 24, 2001
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Dear Discoverylover, Sara and all.<br><br>Disco. wrote in a previous message):<br>&gt; Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some ...
bo34no
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Jul 25, 2001
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Bo: &lt;&lt; is that Husserl or Heidegger or ..? &gt;&gt;<br><br>Yes, exactly. I’m not too much familiar with it myself. But it seems to me that they...
discoverylover
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Jul 27, 2001
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Hi Club! <br><br>Here again, sorry if I can stumble across this place just once a month... anyway, I've seen very good posts, so maybe you don't need me ... ...
deadlytoy
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Jul 28, 2001
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.... PART II<br><br>** Language, Rituals and the MOQ **<br><br>How many time did we discuss language Bo? Dozens? Hundreds? Well, we used to agree, but lately...
deadlytoy
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Jul 28, 2001
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(I had to post this separately for the lencth of the previous message)<br><br><br>Diana:<br>Nowadays people prefer to live on the move: they want to travel, to...
deadlytoy
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Sara wrote:<br>&gt; The books are monuments to the beautiful<br>&gt; search for higher meaning in life, beyond earthly successes, and try<br>&gt; to form a...
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Bo <br>I was first annoyed, then disappointed and finally slightly cynically amused inreaction to your previous comment:<br><br>"I am a bit reluctant to speak ...
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