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Re: Chris' Murderers...?

Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the
afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather
sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on the
ideas rather than be interested in gory details, but
since the subject is opened I cant help but ask. Can
you copy or summarise it for
me?<br>--------------------<br>I was shocked and horrified to hear that Chris
was
murdered. How awful. <br><br>It must have made it difficult
to remain positive about human posential... and
perhaps explains the energetic strong argument about
eradicating the 'animal' level street gangs of inner cities
through reintroduction of police or army-type forces.
<br>Despite being fervently against martial law and diliking
police force in general, I see the logic that thugs,
hoodlums and bulies need to be forced to obey to the basic
social morals or good conduct and democracy, so we can
live together as more civilised humans, and look to
developing a more enlightened way of life. <br><br>I only
partially see Pirsig's point that the 20th century emphasis
on intellectual refutation of 19th cetury bougeois
strict and hypocritical morals led to the thughs gaining
power. <br><br>Any insights into these issues
anyone?<br>Sara




Mon Jun 4, 2001 9:10 am

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Hallo Clubbers... & Wow Joao!<br>A lot of words, and ethusiasm, and desperation about the state of the world - but I'm not clear about your message or question...
caledonia1963
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Jun 4, 2001
8:53 am

Hi Bo<br>My version of ZMM did not have the afterword you mention here. I am curious, perhaps rather sensationally, and I know I should really concentrate on...
caledonia1963
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Jun 4, 2001
9:10 am

For Diana: <br>As said I launched this my "change-over-time" idea at another site but was informed that a science-writer, Robert A. Wilson, had anticipated it...
bo34no
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Jun 5, 2001
7:31 am

Hi Sara,<br>You can find the afterword here:<br><a href=http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/afterword.html...
joao_csilva
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Jun 5, 2001
3:38 pm

Hey Jaoa<br>I checked out the Tao of Poo site a coupkle of days ago. Very sweet! I still have fond memories or being read Poo as a child in Scotland. ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 8, 2001
10:11 am

Thanks for this Jaoa...<br>I found it deeply sad, but beautifully written piece.<br>COndolences to him and all who have suffered the loss of a close loved ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 10, 2001
7:50 am

Sara, I think I understand what you are saying about pain. It seems to me that pain helps me ‘unlock’ myself; it opens a kind of sensitivity in me....
discoverylover
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Jun 10, 2001
10:25 pm

Hi all!<br>Diana - yes, I like your description about how pain helps us. I too am rather vague about the process, as this is the first time in my life I am...
caledonia1963
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Jun 12, 2001
7:55 am

Hi Sara and Pirsig readers.<br>This small "club" is such an relaxing place compared to the bedlam of the Lila Squad and I should beware of introducing any ...
bo34no
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Jun 13, 2001
7:46 am

OK it may be relaxed here Bo, but i dont mind a bit of controversy to stir the cobwebs in my brain!<br>What is the particular shocker you were aluding to in ...
caledonia1963
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Jun 15, 2001
8:53 am

Hi all! <br><br>May I come in? <br><br>I'm glad to enter this small club. I'd say it's relaxing, as I'm used to the crowded *agora* of MD and MF. Someone of...
deadlytoy
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Jun 22, 2001
6:00 pm

Hi "deadlytoy" and Club.<br>Quite a password you have chosen for yourself Marco, but warmly welcome to this recreation home for us wounded on the battlefields...
bo34no
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Jun 23, 2001
4:57 pm

HI all<br>Wll done for the mammoth task of starting an Italian site,Marco. I hope it is fun as well as serious hard work!<br>I thought I'd follow on on the...
caledonia1963
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Jun 25, 2001
3:06 pm

Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
caledonia63
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Jul 1, 2001
9:39 am

Hallo is there anybody there? All on holiday.<br>i hope my mail was not so dull it put anybody off commenting on this forum!<br>im off for a spin on my ...
caledonia63
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Jul 15, 2001
8:09 am

Where is everybody?<br>Calling all Pirsig readers - write down a line... someone! - and start this ghostly site again - I'm getting lonely here all...
caledonia63
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Jul 15, 2001
8:17 am

Hi Sara and Group.<br>Your "trannies" message was directed mainly to Marco, but as he seems to be away discovering China (Marco Polo!) and everyone else away...
bo34no
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Jul 17, 2001
6:59 pm

Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some consequent parts of Lila. I found some similar points with phenomenology. Phenomenology is a ...
discoverylover
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Jul 18, 2001
1:25 am

I'm glad to be chatting again!<br>What were the 'consequent' pages you were reading Geoff? - Do let us know how your reading makes sense to you, ...
caledonia63
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Jul 20, 2001
10:01 am

I have a fascination with the tacky, kitsch, souvenirs we human collect from holidays and trips in an attempt to fix those events in our minds through looking ...
caledonia63
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Jul 20, 2001
10:06 am

Nowadays people prefer to live on the move: they want to travel, to explore new places. They want more freedom, more options in life. <br><br>Is this an...
discoverylover
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Jul 24, 2001
11:49 pm

Dear Discoverylover, Sara and all.<br><br>Disco. wrote in a previous message):<br>&gt; Hello, I’m here too. In the last three days I read some ...
bo34no
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Jul 25, 2001
7:18 am

Bo: &lt;&lt; is that Husserl or Heidegger or ..? &gt;&gt;<br><br>Yes, exactly. I’m not too much familiar with it myself. But it seems to me that they...
discoverylover
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Jul 27, 2001
7:13 am

Hi Club! <br><br>Here again, sorry if I can stumble across this place just once a month... anyway, I've seen very good posts, so maybe you don't need me ... ...
deadlytoy
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Jul 28, 2001
9:33 am

.... PART II<br><br>** Language, Rituals and the MOQ **<br><br>How many time did we discuss language Bo? Dozens? Hundreds? Well, we used to agree, but lately...
deadlytoy
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Jul 28, 2001
9:37 am

(I had to post this separately for the lencth of the previous message)<br><br><br>Diana:<br>Nowadays people prefer to live on the move: they want to travel, to...
deadlytoy
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Jul 28, 2001
9:40 am

Sara wrote:<br>&gt; The books are monuments to the beautiful<br>&gt; search for higher meaning in life, beyond earthly successes, and try<br>&gt; to form a...
bo34no
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Aug 1, 2001
7:29 pm

Bo <br>I was first annoyed, then disappointed and finally slightly cynically amused inreaction to your previous comment:<br><br>"I am a bit reluctant to speak ...
caledonia63
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Aug 8, 2001
10:19 am

Sara and All.<br>God, this is the misunderstanding of the year, but entirely my fault. The <br>opening paragraph was meant to be slightly ironic ....we are...
bo34no
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Aug 12, 2001
5:38 am

What a relief Bo!<br>I may be prone to negative, paranoid thinking, but I really didn't guess your cinicism in that paragraph. Context context...<br>I have...
caledonia63
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