Hi all! <br><br>May I come in? <br><br>I'm glad
to enter this small club. I'd say it's relaxing, as
I'm used to the crowded *agora* of MD and MF. Someone
of you (Bo, especially) already know me: I'm Marco,
one of the two Italian active contributors. <br><br>I
will not probably be active also in this forum, as
English is not my language and it's really hard for me
follow every mailing list. Mainly I'm here to whish you
fortune in the effort of growing this club. Far from me
any idea that this is a *competitor* of the two
MOQ.org mailing lists. Every *variation on the theme* is
always a good thing. <br><br>Coming to the thread, I
agree with Geoff that Pirsig readers are the
popularizer, right now. Nevertheless, along with Bo, I think
that there's the need for someone to deepen the MOQ
insights. The strange situation is that the MOQ has been
possible also thanks to the fact that Pirsig is not an
academic; but probably, in order to be deepened, now it
needs also some young and innovative academic.
<br><br>And in the meanwhile? Waiting for someone to deepen
it, we can work for another kind of development: the
*enlargement* to a wider range of people. Not that quantity is
quality, of course; but maybe, sooner or later, one among
the many will pop up and take the MOQ where RMP has
left it.<br><br>I subscribed to the MOQ.org lists two
years ago, and immediately I understood the great value
in the direction of a better MOQ understanding.
After 6 months, I felt I could help the MOQ and asked
the MOQ.org steerers for the consent to open an
Italian MOQ site. They agreed, and now, after one year,
the Italian site is working. It has been for me a
great experience. Even if the great part of the job is
about boring translations, I've learnt an incredible
amount of moq related things. <br><br>And the result was
not only personal. Today Italy is the first
non-English country for number of contacts to the MOQ site
(in absolute we are third, after USA and UK). I'm
still working to develop the site, and I do hope this
result will be confirmed. I've discovered that several
studies have been made in Italian universities, even if
there's not a solid *net* of MOQ students. <br><br>Joao,
I see that you had to read the English version of
Pirsig books. Aren't they available in your language?
It's a pity. I remember a French MOQer who said once
that the French version of ZAMM (or Lila?) was a
disaster, and he had to buy the English version to
understand. <br><br>Fortunately we have a good Italian
translations of both, and the books had a good success here.
They have been published by one of the most important
Italian book companies (Adelphi, the same, just as
example, who publishes Kundera). Pirsig's books hace
always a good evidence in our book stores.
<br><br>Actually, the low rate of non English speakers subscribed
to the lists is a sign that the MOQ can hardly be
developed in Latin, Slav or Asian countries. <br><br>In few
words, I think that if we want to increase the
popularization of the MOQ, we should help the MOQ to go out from
the English borders where it lies. I'm giving the
help I can, and I can assure you all it is *good*.
<br><br>It can be done with or without the help of MOQ.org.
On the net, as well as everywhere it's possible. If
someone has good ideas, I'll be glad to offer my help and
experience.<br><br>Ciao to all, and good luck<br>Marco
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