Hi Sara and Group.<br>Your "trannies" message was
directed mainly to Marco, but as he seems to be away
discovering China (Marco Polo!) and everyone else away on
holiday (this person is just back) I may throw in a word
or two. Languages and translation between the
various kinds is a most fascinating topic and I agree
with your observations here, however my linguistic
ability is limited so I turn to my favourite theme:
language in a MoQ context. <br><br>At the MD a dispute
arose after I had stated that no "primitive" language
has been found. One person said that babies' prattle
was a proto-language, and that languages are merely
sound-making. This is nonsense in my opinion, there is a leap
from one reality into another the moment one enters
the language realm. I have read about a famous person
(to us oldies at least) - Helen Keller - who was born
blind, deaf and mute, but had an awakening when someone
poured water over her hands and then wrote "water" in
the palm; she suddenly understood the principle of
language.<br><br>It's a mystery that it seems to be a complete thing,
how remote the tribe its language is fully developed,
not necessarily of the Indo-<br>European type and its
vocabulary limited to its natural habitat, but nevertheless.
In my opinion grunts and groans are in the same
group as bared fangs and raised bristles: "social
signals" that conveys approval/disapproval very clearly,
but it isn't language proper. Words, grammar, syntax
etc. is something completely different and is
inextricably connected with the the human race. Language and
burial ceremonies seem to have come about at the same
time, which means that language introduces the idea of
"death" into existence (naturally). I also made the claim
that animals are immortal, something that wasn't
understood either. <br><br>But what about the MoQ context?
As I see it, language was the ultimate "social
signal" (pattern) - but so volatile that the DQ
<br>hijacked it to escape the social stasis and enter a new
level in the Q-evolution. Not that language as such is
Intellect, IMO it plays the same role as the carbon atom in
the Inorganic/Biological <br>relationship. Carbon is
matter, yet the building block of life, language is a
social pattern yet the carrier of intellect. <br><br>As
usual SOM makes a mess of everything, in its context
language is (objectively) just sounds/signs, the meaning
is "just in your mind" and thus not real. In the MoQ
light it becomes clear: Each static level is
better/more real than the previous one. Language is
intangible, yet more real than the real ting and when it
entered existence "death" became a reality and the human
beings started burial ceremonies - remember the RITUAL
chapter in Lila!<br><br>(As the mail lists says): "Maybe
in reply to" Sara<br>Bo