Cool I am just trying to get a whole pile of newbies here into
their armour so anything you find lurking is good.
Look forward to poking our pointy things at each other soon.
Jehanne
From:
scawf@... [mailto:scawf@...] On Behalf Of Zebee
Johnstone Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:35 PM To: scawf@... Subject: Re: [scawf] Re: FS: small leather and metal clamshell guantlets
Alas no, same person took them. If I find
any more armour lurking I'll let people know :) I'm sure I have some
elbows somewhere!
Hi all,
I have been following this topic and have found your thoughts all very
interesting.
I like Simon have now been through several training institutions and
have had the added advantage of being an instructor at the Army
Recruit Training Centre (Kapooka).
This was an interesting time because over the course of 6 weeks you
had to impart the same level of knowledge that their parents had taken
18 plus years to do. The challenge here was picking the right mind
set to teach to.
Some people can learn by seeing, some by hearing and most by doing.
I myself benefit from a combination of all three.
When teaching I try to stick to basics, slow and repetative but you
need to watch your audience and move on when the interest starts to go.
For more experienced fighters - to improve your own fighting watch
others, see what they do, how do I counter that, where can I hit them
etc and don't be afraid to get someone out with a video camera to
watch yourself.
To all fighters - if you don't understand something ASK the person
what they did, have them do it again slowly (or what they saw that
made them do it). This is something that I benefited greatly from
when posted top Darwin and only being able to practice with others
infrequently.
If you can't find what you are after in your area - travel, visit
another group and pick their brains different groups fight in
different ways.
The best piece of fighting advice I can remember is steal from
everyone. Take what you see others doing and see if it works for you-
some will some won't - toss the rubbish and see your game improve.
Finally one of the best ways I have learnt is from getting in and
teaching myself. Everyone has something to offer (even if it is more
questions)
Have fun and look forward to seeing you on the field.
Jon Dai
I'd just like to let you know about a new training session that will
be held in Rowany.
Time: Sunday evenings 6pm
Venue: Camperdown Memorial Pk, off Australia St, Camperdown (a short
stroll from Parramatta rd, and a 10 minute walk from Newtown stn.
The plan is to focus on drills and training rather than just biff, as
there are a bunch of newbie fighters like me who are keen to work on
technique, with the idea being tossed up of a monthly friendly tourney.
We hope to make it a little more structured than Monday training.
Everyone is welcome, we won't just be focusing on newbie stuff but it
won't just be biff either.
We look forward to seeing people there and hope that this will be
accessible to more fighters.
YIS
Ailis Inghean Mhedhbha
http://www.boxergirl.net/index.php?m=train&s=2 is about basics of
boxing, the stuff about stance and power seems to me to be useful for
SCA fighters too.
Be interesting to discuss the differnces. I think, for example, that
the bits about protecting the head by hunching shoulders and dropping
chin aren't suitable for SCA fighting, but what about the foot
position and the body angle?
Silfren
Not bad at all and I have printed it off to adapt if for a training session.
Stance stuff is very much to what I have been taught for years and still cannot master. The arms and elbow section can be easily transferred to shield, similarly for making a fist = holding a sword. Jab = snap and a hook is a wrap. If you have trouble visualising it, try it on a pell although I would recommend slowly and watch your recovery as you may damage your elbows if you miss. Crosses are your trailing style shots where the tip drops over the corner of your opponents shield or are a wind up for an offside drop shot/body shot.
Reminder too for those who live in Sydney, Stowe's monthly bash is on this Wednesday night armour inspection is 7:30pm at their regular training venue.
Jon Dai
To: scawf@... From: zebeej@... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:17:27 +1100 Subject: [scawf] boxing
Be interesting to discuss the differnces. I think, for example, that the bits about protecting the head by hunching shoulders and dropping chin aren't suitable for SCA fighting, but what about the foot position and the body angle?
On 11/20/07, Stephen Davis <s.davis_1969@...> wrote:
> Not bad at all and I have printed it off to adapt if for a training session.
>
> Stance stuff is very much to what I have been taught for years and still
cannot master.
What is the trouble you have?
When doing heavy I found the obvious - holding that damn shield up -
was difficult, but also keeping my feet the right distance apart, took
me ages when learning to fence to have control over the buggers.
I would also tend to hunch - again I think that was a reaction to the
weight of the gear.
Sillfren
Its a habit that comes from work and results in driving upward and staying that way. Can be overcome with constant work but to do that requires conscious though which I would rather focus on my attack or defence and work on the other in down time.
Jon
To: scawf@... From: zebeej@... Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:11:55 +1100 Subject: Re: [scawf] boxing
> Not bad at all and I have printed it off to adapt if for a training session. > > Stance stuff is very much to what I have been taught for years and still cannot master.
What is the trouble you have?
When doing heavy I found the obvious - holding that damn shield up - was difficult, but also keeping my feet the right distance apart, took me ages when learning to fence to have control over the buggers.
I would also tend to hunch - again I think that was a reaction to the weight of the gear.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM, gkcasey2005 <gkcasey@...> wrote:
>
> This link was posted up onto the Fencers List. Great resource for
> anyone learning swordwork.
>
> http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Any-Two-Handed-Sword
Umm... depends on what you want from your swordwork I guess. ("Keep
your battlecry strong" is a worry...)
Seems to have no tactics, no control of the opponent's blade, no
understanding of defence (even the blitzkreiging Germans had some idea
of that!) and no understanding of what to do if your pell fights
back...
While this guy is swinging his sword about and yelling his battlecry,
someone will deflect the blade and spit him.
Silfren
That would have to be one of the worst two hander articles I have read. For heavy I would recommend (if you can get a copy of it) 'Ye Headlesse House Fighter's Handbook and Training Manual -lesson 24'. Tournaments Illuminated Vol XXII No 1 and 3 also have articles.
There are also good references within the fencing side from the German fight schools.
Mix and match and find out what works for you.
Alt track down a knight in your area who uses two handers (or has in the past)- Polit has Sir Bruci, Stormhold has Sir Hugh the little and Sir Serridon (Please excuse the spelling)(See Rauf for fencing), Rowany has Sir Loyola the list is not exclusive just the first ones that come to mind. Pick their brains for tips and techniques that may work for you. Heavies pick fencers brains too for a lot of their technique in this area is directly transferable.
Umm... depends on what you want from your swordwork I guess. ("Keep your battlecry strong" is a worry...)
Seems to have no tactics, no control of the opponent's blade, no understanding of defence (even the blitzkreiging Germans had some idea of that!) and no understanding of what to do if your pell fights back...
While this guy is swinging his sword about and yelling his battlecry, someone will deflect the blade and spit him.
I am finally getting out of the medical mess that has plagued me over
the last 6 months and am getting active again on this list/in general.
This is a site that I found recently as I am researching women's
armour so that I can finish making my own armour. As I larger woman I
was also interested in plate armour that is fitted to a underlayer so
that there is more flexibility in adapting to the body.
Some of the examples on this site are really not ok but several are.
Jehanne
To: scawf@... From: gkcasey@... Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:36:15 +0000 Subject: [scawf] Women's Armour
I am finally getting out of the medical mess that has plagued me over the last 6 months and am getting active again on this list/in general.
This is a site that I found recently as I am researching women's armour so that I can finish making my own armour. As I larger woman I was also interested in plate armour that is fitted to a underlayer so that there is more flexibility in adapting to the body.
Some of the examples on this site are really not ok but several are.
Bleaney just put these up on another list.
Jehanne
painbank.com
A blog on heavy combat with training tips.
chivalrytoday.com
An interesting site about chivalry in our modern society
Ignoring the initial cringe at all the “fantasy”
armour on this site, I’ve been using a Cherbourg style breast and back plate,
similar to the one of that site, for several years now and have found it to be
a very comfortable. The vertical articulation on the breast plate allows for a
good range of motion. I wear it over a gambeson and find the combination of
padding and plate to be very effective protection against chest blows. Not a
difficult style to make either if you’ve got an armourer locally.
Cheers,
Art.
From:scawf@... [mailto:scawf@...] On Behalf Of gkcasey2005 Sent: Friday, 30 May 2008 6:07 PM To:scawf@... Subject: [scawf] Re: Women's
Armour
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Hi one and all,
My SCAdian name is Eydís and mundanely known as Tasha Derrett. I'm a
member of the College of St Kessog, located in the highlands of the
Barony of Southron Gaard. We currently don't have any authorised heavy
fighters here in the highlands and it is my goal to become authorised
myself and help/encourage others in my group to do the same by the end
of the year. My current difficulty is that I managed to put myself out
of commission through a horse fall resulting in casts on both of my
wrists - thankfully it wasn't more serious but it is a major
inconvenience. But as a result I've had some time to do more web
surfing than usual and found the following body armour patterns
http://ramsgaardram.tripod.com/id10.html
I was wondering if any one has used these patterns and what they're
like to wear? Is there anything you would change?
Eydís
There is no indication of how the plates are joined which is unfortunate.
The centre front plates would in my opinion tend to pinch together potentially leaving nasty armour bites to the breasts. That front piece should be made in one piece (top to bottom) and dished to provide the suitable curve.
Have you had any fighter training yet?
That will give you a better idea of how your body moves.
Everyone needs slightly different armour to be comfortable.
I used to fight with breast and back plate (note 2 pieces) jointed with leather at the sides with wide leather straps across the shoulders. Plus groin guard, arms and legs of course.
All that over a lightly padded gambeson.
If you're going to May Crown I could talk to you about it there.
Maybe pattern some armour.
Marit the Wanderer
(wandering senior marshal)
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Hi Marit,
I've had a little bit of fighter training, enough to get a taste for
heavy fighting anyway. However it was limited by the loaner armour I
could use ie. fit and the stuff I made isn't up to scratch.
The author says in the text she uses shoe laces to join the plates. I
had wondered about the possibility of armour bite.
Unfortunately I won't be going to May Crown, otherwise it would be a
brilliant opportunity to meet up.
Eydís
As you've had a go at fighting, you will have noticed some things feel better to you than others for fighting.
If someone has a video camera it helps to find out how you move. This will give you a better idea of the style of armour for you. (Sorry if this sounds a little dopey)
Look at yourself in front of a full length mirror. Does your body shorten when you reach down to the side? Where? Measure. This will tell you what type of articulation you will find handy in your armour. You want to be able to bend enough to pick up your sword. (Think about that) I've seen fighters who can't bend over in their armour. They are disadvantaged.
Do you want your armour to be out from your body? (It will ring)
Do you want your armour close fitting? (Some people do)
Do you want minimum armour? (Check the armour regulations - available on the marshal web page)
One thing you will need is a personal groin guard. You could get an ice hockey female groin guard or you could make your own. The area you need to protect is between the hips and below the navel. (in other words your womb and ovaries) An inverted truncated isosceles triangle with its truncated point curved and all corners rounded to avoid armour bites.
............
. .
. .
. .
. . curve here
Attach the loop (other end) to the truncated point, and attach the belt to the top edges. Thread the belt through the loop. (Its sort of a G-string on steroids)
I made mine out of 10 gauge aluminium and seat belt type strapping (narrower) and glued a dense foam inside as a liner.
All for now
Marit
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hey there,Lindoret here, thought it was time to join the fray, We currently have
the pleasure of hosting your Baron and Baroness (Chris & Clare) I have been a
female heavy fighter for over 20 years and have a few suggestions. I agree with
Marit about the personal groin guard, I have ones made of belt grade leather
lined with 1.5cm closed cell foam, as Marit has described it is like an
oversized G string, ensure that the belt goes around your hips with the edges
snug but not limiting your leg movemnent (not this is not required armour but
recomended) same is also true for breast protection. For many years I have been
wearing a rigid one piece breast protector made from shaped 0.5cm PVC (cut and
shaped with heat) my Lord Torg made this for me in 1982 and its still working.
This is sort of like a rigid crop top, with a belly panel and three back panels
all from PVC, they are mounted inside a light leather jerkin (coat of plates)and
worn over a Wool gambeson.
More recently I have been fighting Rapier and use a martial arts breast
protector (commercially made) very comfortable- I would suggest getting one of
these to start.
If you have breast and groin protection you can to some degree borrow mens
armour (depending on your size) i am about a size 10 with long arms and legs and
had difficulty with arms and legs as the guys stuff was too wide and bulky.
I can speak with Chris and Clare and see if they can convey some ideas from
Festival and us.
I wish you well in fighting, it is tremendous fun.
Lindoret
Good things to think about. I definitely want more than just minimum
armour. I have a groin guard from a martial arts store, though I like
the ideas that have been posted. I also have a rigid breast protector
used for fencing but I do want better armour for my torso. The
college has some armour, two sets of leg armour, two sets of arm
armour, three legal helms, one steel gorget, one set shaped steel
plates for chest and back (sorry if I'm not describing it well), and
since I don't have a flat chest the plates aren't suitable for me at
least. I'm currently working on a leather gorget though my progress is
somewhat slow atm.
Eydís
To: scawf@... From: derrett@... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:06:30 +1200 Subject: Re: [scawf] intro and body armour question
Good things to think about. I definitely want more than just minimum armour. I have a groin guard from a martial arts store, though I like the ideas that have been posted. I also have a rigid breast protector used for fencing but I do want better armour for my torso. The college has some armour, two sets of leg armour, two sets of arm armour, three legal helms, one steel gorget, one set shaped steel plates for chest and back (sorry if I'm not describing it well), and since I don't have a flat chest the plates aren't suitable for me at least. I'm currently working on a leather gorget though my progress is somewhat slow atm.
Firstly I must apologise for being off the planet for so long. My health has
been so dire that my priority has been on not dying.
So hello everyone and lets get some ideas, communication etc flowing.
To all those who have been patient, supportive and spiffingly good at waiting
for me to return - A HUGE THANK YOU. You all know who you are!!
Jehanne de Boniface mka Gina
for POlit, Lochac
One idea that I and nameless others have mused about is some form of women's
fighting unit in Lochac.
We don't mean anything other than perhaps just having one unit in one melee
sometime some place. OR, anything up to a specialist unit that formally exists
and trains when we are in the same space.
Methinks that my opinion is to have just a few fighters at one place, one time
but at least have some form of heraldic tabard or colours etc so it looks
spiffy. Use it as a fun for female fighters, way of encouraging women into
fighting and also providing a focus like in other kingdoms on the notion of
women as fighters.
So could be a mix of heavy, archers, rapier, ballista etc. Probably too grand
an idea for a war scenario but might work really well in a melee scenario.
Jehanne
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