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#169 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject:: The Australian Democrats are rebuilding
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The Australian Democrats are rebuilding
to be the number one option for
government.

Australian Democrats Tasmania are at :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian_Democrats_Tasmania/

#168 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:31 am
Subject:: Re: Grill a Bastard!
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Peter Garrett, environmental bastard

He said: "The task is of reconfiguring our economy to harness instead
of degrading nature."

He did: Approved the Gunns Pulp Mill, which will destroy forests and
sustainable industries.
Garrett, Maiden Speech, 8 December 2004
The slack environmental assessment processes surrounding the proposed
Tamar Valley Pulp Mill are well documented, as are the hefty
donations from the Gunns Corporation to the Liberal and Labor
parties. But it takes a special act of bastardy to sell out both the
Australian environment and the Australian economy at the same time.

In his first speech in Canberra, Peter Garrett spoke of how we take
from our environment faster than it can replenish and that each
single threat to our forests, wetlands or oceans makes the task
of "reconfiguring our economy to harness instead of degrading nature"
more important.

So what does he then do? Approve a bloody big pulp mill! Old growth
trees from the Tasmanian wilderness will be pulped and sold at low
cost, and the potential toxic run off into the Tamar Estuary will
destroy some of Tasmania's lucrative salmon farms.

The Australian Democrats say we need sustainable industries that add
value and create jobs here. The One Tree Project showed how one
Tasmanian tree can be worth up to $10,000 when made into tables,
chairs and other value-added products made here in Australia. Pulped
or wood chipped and shipped overseas, the same tree earns under $450
and creates hardly any jobs.

For approving wanton destruction of the environment and selling out
sustainable industries just to prove you have what it takes to one
day be Prime Minister, the Australia Democrats nominate Peter Garrett
a bastard.

http://www.bastardwatch.com.au/?p=61
>
> Grill a Bastard!
>
> Hello there,
>
> Turn up the heat and expose the hypocrisy of the
> bastards in power.
>
> http://www.bastardwatch.com.au/grill_a_bastard
>
> Make sure you visit
>
> http://www.bastardwatch.com.au
>
> to see what the Australian Democrats are doing
> to keep the bastards on their toes 24/7
>

#167 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:24 am
Subject:: Grill a Bastard!
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Grill a Bastard!

Hello there,

Turn up the heat and expose the hypocrisy of the
bastards in power.

http://www.bastardwatch.com.au/grill_a_bastard

Make sure you visit

http://www.bastardwatch.com.au

to see what the Australian Democrats are doing
to keep the bastards on their toes 24/7

#166 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 5:46 am
Subject:: Mill setback hits Gunns share price
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Shares in woodchipper Gunns Ltd have fallen sharply after the
federal government declined full approval for Gunns' $2.2 billion
pulp mill in Tasmania's Tamar Valley.

Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said on Monday that he
had not approved all operating conditions allowing the Gunns mill to
proceed and wanted further environmental studies carried out.

Mr Garrett said he had approved 13 conditions so far, but three
would not be granted until the completion of studies of potential
marine impacts.

The minister also imposed a new condition allowing civil penalties
of up to $1.1 million per offence for any breach of the
environmental limits for the mill's operation.

"I am not satisfied ... that I can grant final approval for this
mill without fully understanding its potential environmental
impacts," Mr Garret said.

"That includes having a thorough understanding of the potential
impacts of the mill's effluent discharge on commonwealth marine
waters and absolute confidence in the proposed management and
response strategies that are proposed to put in place to protect the
environment."

Gunns now has until March 3, 2011 to re-submit the three conditions
for approval after its environmental impact modelling is completed.

Forest Industries Association of Tasmania (FIAT) chairman Dr Julian
Amos said he was disappointed all of the modules did not gain
unconditional approval.

"Although most of the modules have now been approved, and this is a
positive, the conditions placed on the final three modules will
cause continuing doubt and delay," he said.

"These three modules relate to marine impacts, and it is my
understanding that the minister has approved these in principle,
however, retaining conditions based on a precautionary approach is
unhelpful and will foster further doubt over the mill.

"At this time of economic uncertainty, such an approach will be
detrimental to the Tasmanian economy."

January 5, 2009 - 2:38PM

http://news.smh.com.au/business/mill-setback-hits-gunns-share-price-
20090105-7aao.html?sssdmh=dm16.354182

#165 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 4:04 am
Subject:: Is Garrett a Samson ?
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Perhaps if Peter Garrett
had hair, he would have some strength
to stand up to the corrupt and evil forces.

When Delilah cut off Samson's locks,
he lost his strength.

When Garrett, was a musician,
he seemed to have some social conscience,
then he joined, the ALP and he was
a lost cause .

Please Peter, try and regain some of the trust
from your old, oils fans, even if you have
to grow some hair ,to do it.

I would not ask you to resign from the ALP,
obviously the perks of office are too tempting
to turn your back on .



>
> My post was just approved
>
> Terry:
>
> 05 Jan 2009 2:37:31pm
>
> I really thought Peter Garrett was
> the Minister for Economic Development,
> perhaps he has found his environment cap
> from his days in the ACF, but sadly it has faded a lot.
>
> He should have been tough with Gunns
> and said you have failed to deliver the reports on time
> so it is No Mill , No Extensions !!!
>
> Gunns have tried to bypass the processes ,
> all the way through,sometimes machieving this end.
>
> It is time for Governments to stand up to this company
> and let them know they do not make the rules or run the country.
>
>
>
> >
> > Some Comments (112)
> >
> > Add yours at the ABC Site
> >
> > A number of feasability studies indicate that more jobs,
royalties
> > and revenue would be developed from expanding tourism to
> sustainably
> > capitalise of natural and intrinsic values in Tasmania than
would
> be
> > by Gunns and forestry projects.
> >
> > Do some research. If you are concerned about employment,
> innovative
> > tourism beats the wood harvesting related industry by a mile.
> >
> >
> > important to note that there are other (dirty) mills operating
in
> > Tasmania. It's just unfortunate that Gunns wants to build
another
> > dirty one. The best possible outcome would be if Gunns went back
> to
> > the totally chlorine free mill that produces no dioxin.
> >
> > But please do note that NO ACTUAL DECISION has been made here.
> Maybe
> > PG will just keep changing the rules untill Gunns sink or give
up.
> >
> > my glass is only half full....
> >
> > maybe there was no point in approving something that probably
> won't
> > go ahead due to financial constraints.
> >
> > this way it's a win-win for the gov't, particularly garrett -
they
> > look good for a change yet the outcome is the same.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How long before Kevin Rudd takes the decision process away from
> > Peter Garrett and hands it to Penny Wong? It's fantastic to see
a
> > Minister making informed and independent decisions, but it
hardly
> > seems to fit the tone of the rest of the government.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Harder to be a decision maker than he thought...better to
postpone
> > and manage by c'tee then someone else needs to be counted...the
> beds
> > are burning !
> >
> >
> > 1. You obviously haven't heard the majority of Tasmanians don't
> want
> > this pulp mill, certainly not at the proposed site on the Tamar
> > River and especially not when approved by faulty processes that
> > sidestepped much of the environmental assessment process.
> >
> > 2. Perhaps you missed the State Government of Tasmania (staunch
> > supporters of the proposed mill) suggesting that the mill would
> not
> > contribute significantly to the economy and the state can stand
on
> > its own two feet without the mill. (Yes, even I was shocked by
> that
> > one!)
> >
> > 3. You have subscribed to the dominant, short-term ideology of
our
> > times, that profit and money are all important, sweeping up
> anything
> > that cannot be measured by the dollar (including irreplaceable
> > marine species) in their wake.
> >
> > I for one am delighted with Minister Garrett's decision and will
> > continue to advocate that this pulp mill should not see the
light
> of
> > day for the sake of my children and their children and their
> > children.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't be so sure. Garrett will probably will approve the
mill
> > in the end.
> >
> > This article is merely part of a smoke screen. The mill is
nowhere
> > near ready to be built anyway, with financing and approval
> processes
> > yet to be completed.
> >
> > The Left should read the words of the article carefully. If PG
is
> > satisfied that the mill will meet environmental limits, then he
> will
> > approve it.
> >
> > But at the moment, the construction of the mill is miles away.
The
> > mill has yet to reach the end of its approval process. There are
> no
> > pressing deadlines yet, so Garrett can make some posturing to
> please
> > the Greens.
> >
> > Over the next few months, the government will set certain
> > environmental limits. Gunns will make some study into the levels
> of
> > pollution, to submit to the ALP. Behind closed doors, the
approval
> > process will continue.
> >
> > By the time the final approval is made, it will be too late for
> the
> > Left supporters to stop it (or to change their election vote).
> >
> > Wow! I'm stunned. Who would have thought that a Labor government
> > would knock back more jobs for the "boys" for environmental
> > concerns.
> > Well done Peter!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its an extension by stealth
> >
> >
> > Everyone in the know knows that Gunns are bad news.
> >
> > You realise that no desision has been made yet...
> >
> > Garrett said no further extensions would be given - it would be
> > approved or declined based on his assessment. Now they have
until
> > March 3? Cop out or sell-out?
> >
> >
> >
> > Amazing. Would still be good if he just scrapped it outright.
> Gunns
> > still has the chance to get it passed by March 3.
> >
> >
> > When he knocks it back outright - not with further extensions
and
> > studies - I'll be happy to eat humble pie. Until then, he's
still
> > spineless.
> >
> > It should just be thrown out, no point dragging the process on
any
> > further.
> >
> > Please may this be the straw that breaks the back of Gunns and
> once
> > and for all seals the fate of this awful business. If Gunns had
> > really been interested in building an environmentally safe mill
> > based on a sustainable timber harvest, it has had plenty of
> > opportunities to modify its proposal to something that would be
> > environmentally and socially acceptable. The company's
> unwillingness
> > to do so shows what their real motivation has been all along.
Good
> > riddance Gunn's pulp mill.
> >
> >
> > Well, the loonies really are running the place now.
> >
> > Think about that when you Mainlanders quaff your Gunns Wine...
> >
> >
> > I'd rather drink vinegar than Gunns wine and you might be
> interested
> > to know that the wine industry is over producing and there will
be
> a
> > glut. So we should all avoid gunns wines and just keep the other
> > wine makers going.
> >
>

#164 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:56 am
Subject:: No Mill , No Extensions !!!
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My post was just approved

Terry:

05 Jan 2009 2:37:31pm

I really thought Peter Garrett was
the Minister for Economic Development,
perhaps he has found his environment cap
from his days in the ACF, but sadly it has faded a lot.

He should have been tough with Gunns
and said you have failed to deliver the reports on time
so it is No Mill , No Extensions !!!

Gunns have tried to bypass the processes ,
all the way through,sometimes machieving this end.

It is time for Governments to stand up to this company
and let them know they do not make the rules or run the country.



>
> Some Comments (112)
>
> Add yours at the ABC Site
>
> A number of feasability studies indicate that more jobs, royalties
> and revenue would be developed from expanding tourism to
sustainably
> capitalise of natural and intrinsic values in Tasmania than would
be
> by Gunns and forestry projects.
>
> Do some research. If you are concerned about employment,
innovative
> tourism beats the wood harvesting related industry by a mile.
>
>
> important to note that there are other (dirty) mills operating in
> Tasmania. It's just unfortunate that Gunns wants to build another
> dirty one. The best possible outcome would be if Gunns went back
to
> the totally chlorine free mill that produces no dioxin.
>
> But please do note that NO ACTUAL DECISION has been made here.
Maybe
> PG will just keep changing the rules untill Gunns sink or give up.
>
> my glass is only half full....
>
> maybe there was no point in approving something that probably
won't
> go ahead due to financial constraints.
>
> this way it's a win-win for the gov't, particularly garrett - they
> look good for a change yet the outcome is the same.
>
>
>
>
> How long before Kevin Rudd takes the decision process away from
> Peter Garrett and hands it to Penny Wong? It's fantastic to see a
> Minister making informed and independent decisions, but it hardly
> seems to fit the tone of the rest of the government.
>
>
>
>
> Harder to be a decision maker than he thought...better to postpone
> and manage by c'tee then someone else needs to be counted...the
beds
> are burning !
>
>
> 1. You obviously haven't heard the majority of Tasmanians don't
want
> this pulp mill, certainly not at the proposed site on the Tamar
> River and especially not when approved by faulty processes that
> sidestepped much of the environmental assessment process.
>
> 2. Perhaps you missed the State Government of Tasmania (staunch
> supporters of the proposed mill) suggesting that the mill would
not
> contribute significantly to the economy and the state can stand on
> its own two feet without the mill. (Yes, even I was shocked by
that
> one!)
>
> 3. You have subscribed to the dominant, short-term ideology of our
> times, that profit and money are all important, sweeping up
anything
> that cannot be measured by the dollar (including irreplaceable
> marine species) in their wake.
>
> I for one am delighted with Minister Garrett's decision and will
> continue to advocate that this pulp mill should not see the light
of
> day for the sake of my children and their children and their
> children.
>
>
>
>
> I wouldn't be so sure. Garrett will probably will approve the mill
> in the end.
>
> This article is merely part of a smoke screen. The mill is nowhere
> near ready to be built anyway, with financing and approval
processes
> yet to be completed.
>
> The Left should read the words of the article carefully. If PG is
> satisfied that the mill will meet environmental limits, then he
will
> approve it.
>
> But at the moment, the construction of the mill is miles away. The
> mill has yet to reach the end of its approval process. There are
no
> pressing deadlines yet, so Garrett can make some posturing to
please
> the Greens.
>
> Over the next few months, the government will set certain
> environmental limits. Gunns will make some study into the levels
of
> pollution, to submit to the ALP. Behind closed doors, the approval
> process will continue.
>
> By the time the final approval is made, it will be too late for
the
> Left supporters to stop it (or to change their election vote).
>
> Wow! I'm stunned. Who would have thought that a Labor government
> would knock back more jobs for the "boys" for environmental
> concerns.
> Well done Peter!
>
>
>
>
> Its an extension by stealth
>
>
> Everyone in the know knows that Gunns are bad news.
>
> You realise that no desision has been made yet...
>
> Garrett said no further extensions would be given - it would be
> approved or declined based on his assessment. Now they have until
> March 3? Cop out or sell-out?
>
>
>
> Amazing. Would still be good if he just scrapped it outright.
Gunns
> still has the chance to get it passed by March 3.
>
>
> When he knocks it back outright - not with further extensions and
> studies - I'll be happy to eat humble pie. Until then, he's still
> spineless.
>
> It should just be thrown out, no point dragging the process on any
> further.
>
> Please may this be the straw that breaks the back of Gunns and
once
> and for all seals the fate of this awful business. If Gunns had
> really been interested in building an environmentally safe mill
> based on a sustainable timber harvest, it has had plenty of
> opportunities to modify its proposal to something that would be
> environmentally and socially acceptable. The company's
unwillingness
> to do so shows what their real motivation has been all along. Good
> riddance Gunn's pulp mill.
>
>
> Well, the loonies really are running the place now.
>
> Think about that when you Mainlanders quaff your Gunns Wine...
>
>
> I'd rather drink vinegar than Gunns wine and you might be
interested
> to know that the wine industry is over producing and there will be
a
> glut. So we should all avoid gunns wines and just keep the other
> wine makers going.
>

#163 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:50 am
Subject:: "The loonies really are running the place now "
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Some Comments (112)

Add yours at the ABC Site

A number of feasability studies indicate that more jobs, royalties
and revenue would be developed from expanding tourism to sustainably
capitalise of natural and intrinsic values in Tasmania than would be
by Gunns and forestry projects.

Do some research. If you are concerned about employment, innovative
tourism beats the wood harvesting related industry by a mile.


important to note that there are other (dirty) mills operating in
Tasmania. It's just unfortunate that Gunns wants to build another
dirty one. The best possible outcome would be if Gunns went back to
the totally chlorine free mill that produces no dioxin.

But please do note that NO ACTUAL DECISION has been made here. Maybe
PG will just keep changing the rules untill Gunns sink or give up.

my glass is only half full....

maybe there was no point in approving something that probably won't
go ahead due to financial constraints.

this way it's a win-win for the gov't, particularly garrett - they
look good for a change yet the outcome is the same.




How long before Kevin Rudd takes the decision process away from
Peter Garrett and hands it to Penny Wong? It's fantastic to see a
Minister making informed and independent decisions, but it hardly
seems to fit the tone of the rest of the government.




Harder to be a decision maker than he thought...better to postpone
and manage by c'tee then someone else needs to be counted...the beds
are burning !


1. You obviously haven't heard the majority of Tasmanians don't want
this pulp mill, certainly not at the proposed site on the Tamar
River and especially not when approved by faulty processes that
sidestepped much of the environmental assessment process.

2. Perhaps you missed the State Government of Tasmania (staunch
supporters of the proposed mill) suggesting that the mill would not
contribute significantly to the economy and the state can stand on
its own two feet without the mill. (Yes, even I was shocked by that
one!)

3. You have subscribed to the dominant, short-term ideology of our
times, that profit and money are all important, sweeping up anything
that cannot be measured by the dollar (including irreplaceable
marine species) in their wake.

I for one am delighted with Minister Garrett's decision and will
continue to advocate that this pulp mill should not see the light of
day for the sake of my children and their children and their
children.




I wouldn't be so sure. Garrett will probably will approve the mill
in the end.

This article is merely part of a smoke screen. The mill is nowhere
near ready to be built anyway, with financing and approval processes
yet to be completed.

The Left should read the words of the article carefully. If PG is
satisfied that the mill will meet environmental limits, then he will
approve it.

But at the moment, the construction of the mill is miles away. The
mill has yet to reach the end of its approval process. There are no
pressing deadlines yet, so Garrett can make some posturing to please
the Greens.

Over the next few months, the government will set certain
environmental limits. Gunns will make some study into the levels of
pollution, to submit to the ALP. Behind closed doors, the approval
process will continue.

By the time the final approval is made, it will be too late for the
Left supporters to stop it (or to change their election vote).

Wow! I'm stunned. Who would have thought that a Labor government
would knock back more jobs for the "boys" for environmental
concerns.
Well done Peter!




Its an extension by stealth


Everyone in the know knows that Gunns are bad news.

You realise that no desision has been made yet...

Garrett said no further extensions would be given - it would be
approved or declined based on his assessment. Now they have until
March 3? Cop out or sell-out?



Amazing. Would still be good if he just scrapped it outright. Gunns
still has the chance to get it passed by March 3.


When he knocks it back outright - not with further extensions and
studies - I'll be happy to eat humble pie. Until then, he's still
spineless.

It should just be thrown out, no point dragging the process on any
further.

Please may this be the straw that breaks the back of Gunns and once
and for all seals the fate of this awful business. If Gunns had
really been interested in building an environmentally safe mill
based on a sustainable timber harvest, it has had plenty of
opportunities to modify its proposal to something that would be
environmentally and socially acceptable. The company's unwillingness
to do so shows what their real motivation has been all along. Good
riddance Gunn's pulp mill.


Well, the loonies really are running the place now.

Think about that when you Mainlanders quaff your Gunns Wine...


I'd rather drink vinegar than Gunns wine and you might be interested
to know that the wine industry is over producing and there will be a
glut. So we should all avoid gunns wines and just keep the other
wine makers going.

#162 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:31 am
Subject:: Re: Garrett has refused to approve Gunns' Mill
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/05/2459301.htm?
section=business

>
> Garrett delays pulp mill approval
>
> Posted 1 hour 17 minutes ago
> Updated 18 minutes ago
>
>
> Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett has refused to approve
> Gunns' planned Tasmanian pulp mill, saying more environmental
> studies need to be done.
>
> Mr Garrett says the proposed $2 billion mill in the Tamar Valley
> cannot go ahead until more studies are undertaken on its potential
> impacts to marine environments.
>
> "National environment legislation requires that I take a
> precautionary approach to environmental protection," he said in a
> statement.
>
> "I am not satisfied, with that in mind and informed by the advice
of
> the Independent Expert Group (IEG), that I can grant final
approval
> for this mill without fully understanding its potential
> environmental impacts.
>
> "That includes having a thorough understanding of the potential
> impacts of the mill's effluent discharge on Commonwealth marine
> waters and absolute confidence in the proposed management and
> response strategies that are proposed to put in place to protect
the
> environment."
>
> Twelve modules of the environmental impact study were to be
approved
> by Mr Garrett for the mill to go ahead but Mr Garrett has
confirmed
> that he has not approved modules "L", "M" and "N" of the draft
> Environmental Impact Management Plan (EIMP).
>
> A new condition will also be put on the mill meaning Gunns could
be
> liable for criminal and civil penalties if the mill is approved
and
> breaks defined "environmental limits".
>
> "Under this new condition, civil penalties of up to $1.1 million
per
> offence can be imposed on Gunns and it also provides the basis for
> future variation, suspension or revocation of the mill's
> environmental approval," Mr Garrett said.
>
> Gunns will now have to resubmit the rejected three modules by
March
> 3 to continue the approvals process.
>
> The three modules rejected by Mr Garrett relate to the
> commissioning, monitoring and operation of the mill.
>
> Module L in particular deals with hydrodynamic modelling and the
> impact of mill effluent on the marine environment.
>
> Mr Garrett says he will not make a final decision on the mill
until
> the modelling has been completed, which was a requirement of
> approval.
>
> He says the conditions for modelling and testing set by former
> environment minister Malcolm Turnbull are unsatisfactory.
>
> "It's my view that the results of this modelling are critical to
> finalising the EIMP, which must address the potential impacts of
the
> proposed mill on the Commonwealth marine environment and other
> matters of national environment significance," he said.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/05/2459301.htm?
> section=business
>

#161 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:20 am
Subject:: Garrett has refused to approve Gunns' Mill
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Garrett delays pulp mill approval

Posted 1 hour 17 minutes ago
Updated 18 minutes ago


Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett has refused to approve
Gunns' planned Tasmanian pulp mill, saying more environmental
studies need to be done.

Mr Garrett says the proposed $2 billion mill in the Tamar Valley
cannot go ahead until more studies are undertaken on its potential
impacts to marine environments.

"National environment legislation requires that I take a
precautionary approach to environmental protection," he said in a
statement.

"I am not satisfied, with that in mind and informed by the advice of
the Independent Expert Group (IEG), that I can grant final approval
for this mill without fully understanding its potential
environmental impacts.

"That includes having a thorough understanding of the potential
impacts of the mill's effluent discharge on Commonwealth marine
waters and absolute confidence in the proposed management and
response strategies that are proposed to put in place to protect the
environment."

Twelve modules of the environmental impact study were to be approved
by Mr Garrett for the mill to go ahead but Mr Garrett has confirmed
that he has not approved modules "L", "M" and "N" of the draft
Environmental Impact Management Plan (EIMP).

A new condition will also be put on the mill meaning Gunns could be
liable for criminal and civil penalties if the mill is approved and
breaks defined "environmental limits".

"Under this new condition, civil penalties of up to $1.1 million per
offence can be imposed on Gunns and it also provides the basis for
future variation, suspension or revocation of the mill's
environmental approval," Mr Garrett said.

Gunns will now have to resubmit the rejected three modules by March
3 to continue the approvals process.

The three modules rejected by Mr Garrett relate to the
commissioning, monitoring and operation of the mill.

Module L in particular deals with hydrodynamic modelling and the
impact of mill effluent on the marine environment.

Mr Garrett says he will not make a final decision on the mill until
the modelling has been completed, which was a requirement of
approval.

He says the conditions for modelling and testing set by former
environment minister Malcolm Turnbull are unsatisfactory.

"It's my view that the results of this modelling are critical to
finalising the EIMP, which must address the potential impacts of the
proposed mill on the Commonwealth marine environment and other
matters of national environment significance," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/05/2459301.htm?
section=business

#160 From: derrit
Date: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:47 am
Subject:: Misleading tapvision.info website hit stats mentioned by tapcontact@...
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TAP WEBSITE STATISTICS

> The www.tapvision.info website gets around an average of 2500 hits
per
> day or just under one million per year. For comparison, Tassie
times
> gets x10 this number.
> Most hits occur on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.
> Most people accessing the site do so with RSS that automatically
> monitors for changes to the website.
> The average number of pages accessed per visit is 2.5.
> "pulp" and "mill" are the 2 most popular search words.


I reckon most of those 2500 hits per day are just software bots
searching the internet to keep various search engines up-to-date.
They use RSS because they really only want to visit websites to get
details of webpages that have changed recently.

The real way to check would be to look at the website's server access
logfiles which would record details of just who/what has visited. The
bots are easily distinguishable from real web-browsing people based
on entries in those logfiles.

Probably not good for anti-mill people to get too much of a swelled
head over these most likely misleading tapvision.info website hit
stats. What would be of interest is to see the stats for real person
hits to the website. I suspect that would be very much lower,
probably around 15 per day at most.

#159 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject:: Paul Newman helped to save the Franklin River
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Sadness as a great environmental champion loses battle
with cancer.

Condolences to his friends and family.



Legendary actor Paul Newman dies at 83

Paul Newman, the Academy-Award winning superstar who personified
cool as an activist, race car driver, popcorn impresario and the
anti-hero of such films as Hud, Cool Hand Luke and The Colour of
Money, has died aged 83, a spokeswoman says.

Newman died on Friday of cancer, spokeswoman Marni Tomljanovic said
Saturday. No other details were immediately available.

In May, Newman said he had dropped plans to direct a production of
Of Mice and Men, citing unspecified health issues.

He got his start in theatre and on television during the 1950s, and
went on to become one of the world's most enduring and popular film
stars, a legend held in awe by his peers. He was nominated for
Oscars 10 times, winning one regular award and two honorary ones,
and had major roles in more than 50 motion pictures, including
Exodus, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Verdict, The Sting
and Absence of Malice.

Newman worked with some of the greatest directors of the past half
century, from Alfred Hitchcock and John Huston to Robert Altman,
Martin Scorsese and the Coen brothers. His co-stars included
Elizabeth Taylor, Lauren Bacall, Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks and, most
famously, Robert Redford, his sidekick in Butch Cassidy and The
Sting.

He sometimes teamed with his wife and fellow Oscar winner Joanne
Woodward, with whom he had one of Hollywood's rare long-term
marriages. "I have steak at home, why go out for hamburger?" Newman
told Playboy magazine when asked if he was tempted to stray. They
wed in 1958, around the same time they both appeared in The Long Hot
Summer, and Newman directed her in several films, including Rachel,
Rachel and The Glass Menagerie.

Newman died on Friday after a long battle with cancer at his
farmhouse near Westport, publicist Jeff Sanderson said. He was
surrounded by his family and close friends.

28th September 2008, 5:49 WST

http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=518249

#158 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:11 am
Subject:: Ricky Maynard and Brenda Hean - Film and Television News
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Portrait of a Distant Land – Part one showing on ABC, Sunday 28
September at 1.30pm

Portrait of a Distant Land is a two half-hour documentary series
about Tasmanian Aboriginal photographer Ricky Maynard and his
journey to reveal his people's true history. For the first time,
internationally acclaimed Maynard embarks on a journey across
Tasmania as he seeks to document through his photographs, the `true'
story of his people.

Produced by Hobart's Roar Film and funded by Screen Tasmania, this
powerful and compelling story will screen on ABC Television as part
of the Message Stick program. Part one begins on Sunday, 28
September 2008 at 1.30pm and part two screens at the same time on
Sunday, 5 October 2008. Repeats will be shown on ABC2.

For more information on the program or to view the trailer, please
visit http://www.roarfilm.com.au/ or
http://www.screen.tas.gov.au/news/showcase.php.

For information on ABC Television's programming, please visit
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/.



Whatever Happened to Brenda Hean? – Season starts 3 October at the
State Cinema

Scott Millwood's Whatever Happened to Brenda Hean? begins a season
at the State Cinema in Hobart on 3 October 2008. This film tells the
remarkable story of Brenda Hean – one of the first leaders of
environmental political party the United Tasmanian Group – whose
fight to save Tasmania's Lake Pedder lead to her mysterious
disappearance in 1972. Thirty-five years later award winning
Tasmanian filmmaker Scott Millwood (Wildness) undertakes a quest to
discover the truth.

The quest takes us on a journey into the landscape and eccentric
community of Tasmania, painting a portrait of an inspirational woman
whose environmental values still resonate today.   She reminds
people today that it is never too late to create change.

A special screening will be held on Sunday, 4 October 2008 at 4.00pm
to help raise money for the Wilderness Society and will feature a
question and answer session with the filmmaker.

What: Wilderness Society Fundraiser Screening
When: Sunday 5 October, 4pm
Where: State Cinema, 375 Elizabeth Street, North Hobart

More information: Tickets available now from the Tasmanian
Wilderness Society (TWS) Shop in Salamanca Place, The TWS campaign
Centre or by calling (03) 6224 1550. For further information on the
film, please visit http://www.brendahean.com.

http://www.screen.tas.gov.au

#157 From: "Joanna McRae" <jo.mcrae@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 11:06 am
Subject:: Peter Garrett
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Peter Garrett is rapidly losing all credibility. In the latest pulp mill rally,  when we shouted "Peter Garret, Gunns parrot" we got the most responses from the watching public - they knew exactly what we meant. Unfortunately it is even more true today.


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#156 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:10 am
Subject:: Re: Who is the Federal Minister for Environment ?
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now we know why John Gay was fundraising overseas
it was not to build the mill it was to fill up the briefcases
to buy off the Federal Minister for Environment.

Shame  Peter Gay Shame !!!!


>
> now he has further sold out to Gunns
>
> The former Peter Garrett now known as Peter Gay
> has been bought by Gunns.
>
>
> > Oh thats right he lost all credibility when he sold out years
ago
> > to the criminals in the Australian Labor Party
> >
> >
> > > I thought he was a former musician with a social conscience
> > >
> >
>

#155 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:07 am
Subject:: Re: Who is the Federal Minister for Environment ?
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now he has further sold out to Gunns

The former Peter Garrett now known as Peter Gay
has been bought by Gunns.


> Oh thats right he lost all credibility when he sold out years ago
> to the criminals in the Australian Labor Party
>
>
> > I thought he was a former musician with a social conscience
> >
>

#154 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:05 am
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Oh thats right he lost all credibility when he sold out years ago
to the criminals in the Australian Labor Party


> I thought he was a former musician with a social conscience
>

#153 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:03 am
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I thought he was a former musician with a social conscience

#152 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:58 am
Subject:: Premier Paul Bartlett stifles public debate
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Unfortunately I missed today's action as well, but it was fiery ,
with police being called and citizens ejected.

Premier Paul Bartlett is now presiding over a government that
stifles public debate.

If we allow the 2 L parties to continue in the Parliament, it will
be the end of Democracy.




--- In tapvision@..., "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In tapvision@..., "Terry" <modelpower2006@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob McMahon announced 10,000 before we marched, but  I heard
radio
> > reports, giving police estimates as 5000.
>
>
>
> I wondered if the 5000 was the official number released to the
media.
> I remember him saying that there were three 'counters' at the gate
> who were going to decide on the final tally to give to the media.
> When I watched the news that night, they just said something
> like 'thousands turned out / marched'  etc  No number.
>
> Doesn't really matter - there was lots there. The organisers did a
> great job. Wish I could be at the thingy on Wednesday but a girly
has
> got to work sometime :-)
>
> Zahira
> Tasmanian Middle Eastern Dance Festival
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray
>

#151 From: "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
Date: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:45 am
Subject:: Re: Rally
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--- In tapvision@..., "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
wrote:
>
> Bob McMahon announced 10,000 before we marched, but  I heard radio
> reports, giving police estimates as 5000.



I wondered if the 5000 was the official number released to the media.
I remember him saying that there were three 'counters' at the gate
who were going to decide on the final tally to give to the media.
When I watched the news that night, they just said something
like 'thousands turned out / marched'  etc  No number.

Doesn't really matter - there was lots there. The organisers did a
great job. Wish I could be at the thingy on Wednesday but a girly has
got to work sometime :-)

Zahira
Tasmanian Middle Eastern Dance Festival
http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray

#150 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:57 am
Subject:: Re: Rally
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Bob McMahon announced 10,000 before we marched, but  I heard radio
reports, giving police estimates as 5000.

A  comparison is the Carols By Candlelight also in City
Park,which usually attracts 10,000 - 12,000, the park looked to be
as jam packed as that event, perhaps more so, because people do take
up more lawn space for carols than people standing close together
for a rally.

Was not there 5000 at a pro mill rally in Royal Park , last year?




--- In tapvision@..., "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
wrote:
>
> What a great turn out for the rally! Did anyone hear what the
offical
> total was?
>
> Zahira
> New Belly Dance Courses start soon
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray
>

#149 From: "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
Date: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:28 pm
Subject:: Rally
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What a great turn out for the rally! Did anyone hear what the offical
total was?

Zahira
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray

#148 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:01 pm
Subject:: Re: Civic Reception for Peter Cundall ?
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A Civic Reception not ceremony, sorry
>
> What is the latest on this?
>
> Did we find out the protocol
> for requesting this function?
>

#147 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:37 am
Subject:: Civic Ceremony for Peter Cundall ?
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What is the latest on this?

Did we find out the protocol
for requesting this function?

#146 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:35 am
Subject:: Re: Peter Cundall supports Rally at City Park
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Thanks Zahira ,

See you there !!!

By the way, there was a letterbox drop in my letterbox this
morning,with the details,as well.





-- In tapvision@..., "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
wrote:
>
> > I just caught a coomercial on Southern Cross Television
> > for the rally.
> >
> > think he said it is on August 23
> >
> > not sure what time though
>
>
> 12pm
>
> >
> > perhaps reminder notices could go out through the calendar in
the
> > Tap Yahoo Group.
>
> I just checked the calendar and it has been set up so that anyone
can
> place an event on there so I reckon you may as well put a reminder
> there if you need one.
>
>
> Zahira
>

#145 From: "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:54 am
Subject:: Re: Peter Cundall supports Rally at City Park
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> I just caught a coomercial on Southern Cross Television
> for the rally.
>
> think he said it is on August 23
>
> not sure what time though


12pm

>
> perhaps reminder notices could go out through the calendar in the
> Tap Yahoo Group.

I just checked the calendar and it has been set up so that anyone can
place an event on there so I reckon you may as well put a reminder
there if you need one.


Zahira

#144 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:34 am
Subject:: Peter Cundall supports Rally at City Park
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I just caught a coomercial on Southern Cross Television
for the rally.

think he said it is on August 23

not sure what time though

perhaps reminder notices could go out through the calendar in the
Tap Yahoo Group.

Also ,I would be post announcements into Hummannity Media
and Aus Community News,if you  want ?



--- In tapvision@..., "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> Thanks for the reply, but you still did not post the time or
> date of the City Park Rally
>
> The Tap Yahoo Group should post or repost all events to it's
> membership,as this is my main way of finding out news  of
> pulp mill events.
>
> The Yahoo Group calendar section should also be used more often,
> with automatic reminders being sent out from the calendar .
>
> I would also be happy to repost announcements into Hummannity
Media
> and Aus Community News.
>
> Terry
>
> P.S. What happened about the Civic Ceremony for Peter Cundall ,
that
> was discussed earlier?
>
>
>
>   --- In tapvision@..., Nick <nj_towle@> wrote:
> >
> > G'day Terry and all,
> >
> > If you check out the Tasmedia website www.tasmedia.org you'll be
> able
> > to pick up most of the pulp mill events. This coming week on
> > Wednesday there is a forum on the pulp mill and climate change
> over
> > in Riverside. If you need a lift there I'd recommend you email
the
> > organising crew as soon as possible to see if they can connect
you
> to
> > someone local. contact@
> >
> > It may be good to feed back to the organisers that you didn't
pick
> up
> > on the publicity efforts for this rally, there may well be many
> > others who haven't yet heard.  Perhaps with future events you
may
> be
> > in a position to help extend their advertising efforts.
> >
> > We still have a week to go before the rally so keep spreading
the
> > word. www.tapvision.info
> >
> > Yours for the future,
> >
> > Nick T
> >
> >
> >
> > >First I heard of it
> > >
> > >When is the Anti Pulp Mill rally at City Park?
> > >
> >
>

#143 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:51 am
Subject:: [TAP] Re: Rally at City Park
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Hi Nick,

Thanks for the reply, but you still did not post the time or
date of the City Park Rally

The Tap Yahoo Group should post or repost all events to it's
membership,as this is my main way of finding out news  of
pulp mill events.

The Yahoo Group calendar section should also be used more often,
with automatic reminders being sent out from the calendar .

I would also be happy to repost announcements into Hummannity Media
and Aus Community News.

Terry

P.S. What happened about the Civic Ceremony for Peter Cundall , that
was discussed earlier?



   --- In tapvision@..., Nick <nj_towle@...> wrote:
>
> G'day Terry and all,
>
> If you check out the Tasmedia website www.tasmedia.org you'll be
able
> to pick up most of the pulp mill events. This coming week on
> Wednesday there is a forum on the pulp mill and climate change
over
> in Riverside. If you need a lift there I'd recommend you email the
> organising crew as soon as possible to see if they can connect you
to
> someone local. contact@...
>
> It may be good to feed back to the organisers that you didn't pick
up
> on the publicity efforts for this rally, there may well be many
> others who haven't yet heard.  Perhaps with future events you may
be
> in a position to help extend their advertising efforts.
>
> We still have a week to go before the rally so keep spreading the
> word. www.tapvision.info
>
> Yours for the future,
>
> Nick T
>
>
>
> >First I heard of it
> >
> >When is the Anti Pulp Mill rally at City Park?
> >
>

#142 From: Nick <nj_towle@...>
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:58 am
Subject:: [TAP] Re: Rally at City Park
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G'day Terry and all,

If you check out the Tasmedia website www.tasmedia.org you'll be able to pick up most of the pulp mill events. This coming week on Wednesday there is a forum on the pulp mill and climate change over in Riverside. If you need a lift there I'd recommend you email the organising crew as soon as possible to see if they can connect you to someone local. contact@...

It may be good to feed back to the organisers that you didn't pick up on the publicity efforts for this rally, there may well be many others who haven't yet heard.  Perhaps with future events you may be in a position to help extend their advertising efforts.

We still have a week to go before the rally so keep spreading the word. www.tapvision.info

Yours for the future,

Nick T



First I heard of it
When is the Anti Pulp Mill rally at City Park?

#141 From: "Terry" <modelpower2006@...>
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:33 am
Subject:: Re: Rally at City Park
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First I heard of it

When is the Anti Pulp Mill rally at City Park?



--- In tapvision@..., "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone attending from the West Tamar who is able to give someone
a
> lift? (That someone being me :-)
>
> Zahira
> Tasmanian Middle Eastern Dance Festival
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray/ali/ali10.htm
>

#140 From: "zahira1au" <zahira1au@...>
Date: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:43 pm
Subject:: Rally at City Park
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Is anyone attending from the West Tamar who is able to give someone a
lift? (That someone being me :-)

Zahira
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/kazzray/ali/ali10.htm


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