Hi Jennifer,
Just a note to let you know that this group is Australia wide and we have a
number of Cob breeders living in the North East and Border area of Victoria,
3 to 4 hrs drive from Melbourne as well as some in the Gippsland area.
Regards Robyn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Ashley <jen@...>
To: <welshcobs@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [welshcobs] Re: cob arab for and against?


> Hi Joelene, my name is Jennifer. I have just signed up on the welsh
> cobs email group so have read your mail (attached). I live in the
> Melbourne area and have been in love with the Section D cob since 1994.
> Problem is, in this area I have searched high and low for the exremely
> elusive typey pure Section D cob or TB x Sect. D and have come to the
> conclusion that they just don't exists for purchase unless you go out of
> state or they are so expensive the average horse rider/lover can't
> afford one. I am not a breed show person so I am not in need of the
> perfect absolutely stunning horse for the show ring, but do want a horse
> with good confirmation and temperament so that we can have a healthy
> lifelong relationship with all sorts of riding challenges and fun. Do
> you think I can find such a horse in this area?, and secondly, if I do
> find one it is a youngster whom is untried under saddle with a really
> hefty price tag. For me as a pleasure rider with mid level riding
> ability and relatively limited funds to gamble with, this poses an
> unacceptable risk. In the end, I have always ended up going with the
> flow as most others do (for their own personal reasons, probably
> different than mine) and buying from the existing pool of average priced
> average horses. My feeling is, that the reason why cobs are not selling
> has nothing to do with the drought (cobs by nature do not need anywhere
> near the amount of feed as does the average thoroughbred, so are much
> cheaper to feed!) because as far as I can see horses are selling quite
> well in general and for pretty darn good money. Even an aged horse of
> average ability and experience is selling in excess of $3,000 and more
> near the $6,000 - $8,000 mark. I know this because I have been in the
> market for another horse for the last three months. I was completely
> stunned when I opened the Horse Deals last month and could only find a
> handfull of prospects at around $3,000. My feeling is that specialised
> breeds (Welsh Section D, Andalusians, Freisans, Lippizaners, Tennesee
> Walking Horses, etc.) are always going to attract a smaller more
> specialised market in general. Especially in a country where the horse
> industry has a fairly narrow field and is dominated firstly by the
> thoroughbred, then the warmblood followed by the riding pony. Quarter
> horses also seem to have a potent following of their own but theirs is a
> closed society. There are the Arab folks whom are also doing their own
> thing but to a lesser extent than the QH folks. I have a lovely Quarter
> horse x Stock horse whom I have retrained from western to english. She
> has as good movement as many thoroughbreds but is looked down upon in
> open classes and in general because she is quarter horse bred. I reckon
> that cobs may have a similar problem with stigma ("They are only good
> for pulling carts", "Their leg action doesn't suit riding classes"
> etc.). It is a shame that all horses are not treated equal according to
> their ability in a given sport rather then on breed! I used to get upset
> with people and felt really embarassed for my mare. Here she was out
> there trying her heart out and people were making comments like "gee
> quarter horses really have big bums" and "quarter horses don't have very
> good movement do they?". Then when they see her going I get comments
> like, "oh she's got movement, must be stockhorse in her". Oh well, I got
> used to it.
>
> I apologise if I do sound a bit frustrated. I am because, you are up
> there in QLD with stock you would like to sell and I am down here in VIC
> dying to own a good natured allround cob or TB x cob for an affordable
> price! The TB x cob you have mentioned would definately suit my riding
> style (hunter under saddle, dressage, Adult riding) and his temperament
> sounds ideal for my needs. But I just can't take the chance of buying
> site unseen and the shipping costs would be prohibitive, so I go on
> searching locally hoping I'll find the right one someday. I wish there
> was some way to get breeders/enthusiasts all round Australia to help
> each other promote the breed. Like, breeders in VIC providing a place
> for QLD or NSW or WA breeders to send their stock to be viewed and sold,
> thus providing a wider market. And of course stock from VIC going to
> other states in the same way. Maybe the exchange could be something like
> access to different breeding lines interstate to widen the pool of
> quality stock? Just a thought.
>
> Please feel free to openly question anything I have said. I am open to
> others points of view.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jennifer Ashley
>
> Joelene Thorburn wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone Thanks for your advice re the Cob x arabs. Currently I
> > have three mares which I solely bought to breed to Trouby. 2 TBs and
> > 1 pure welsh Sec C. I still have the yearling here TB x Cob, he was
> > born Dec 2001. I had advertised and advertised him and he hasn't
> > sold. To me there is no market for Cobs pure or part bred in Qld.
> > The yearling is so quiet, been handled since he was 1 week old, I
> > have taken him to two shows and into pony club to be around other
> > horses and he is fully rugged etc. In September I will have two foals
> > on the ground (if the pure mare doesn't sell) - another TB x Cob and
> > the Pure Welsh - it will be interesting to see how long before I can
> > find a home for them! With the new mare I bought I decided to put her
> > to a purebred stallion to get an Anglo with the hope that there is a
> > market for them. The other problem with the Cobs especially in Qld
> > (from what I have found) is there is not many classes for them. I
> > hate getting an Ag show program and reading it and to find there is
> > only classes for the Welsh A and B and never anything for the Cobs and
> > they won't put them on, and very rarely do they have any other
> > registered breed classes. At least with the arabs every Ag show has
> > classes for them and they have specific arab only shows more than once
> > a year! From my experience over the past year I have enjoyed my pure
> > arab geldings rather than the cob. And at least everyone knows what
> > an Arab is! So many times have I been to an ag show and people say,.
> > "What kind of horse is that?" I would really like to see my stallion
> > end up down south to where he would be more utilized in the show ring
> > and for breeding and have competition! Sorry for rambling on and I
> > hope I haven't offended anyone. RegardsJoelz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:mailto:Mona <mona5@...
> > To: welshcobs@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:51 AM
> > Subject: [welshcobs] Re: cob arab for and against?
> > I think the fastest growing market is the thoroughbred x
> > cob for
> > performance horses. That is where the money will be. The
> > arab x cob I
> > guess works on the same theory that the cobs sturdiness and
> > character
> > x the atheletic arab/thoughbred gives a hell of a
> > performance horse
> > either way.
> >
> > Mona
> > --- In welshcobs@..., "Griffin Park"
> > <dazzleme2@b...>
> > wrote:
> > > Cant read your email Julie, try a different background or
> > font
> > > cheers
> > > Deb
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Julie Frauenfelder (Fluerdelys Welsh Cobs)
> > > To: welshcobs@...
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:59 PM
> > > Subject: [welshcobs] cob arab for and against?
> > >
> > >
> > > HI joelene,I have done this cross several times that is
> > cob x
> > arab mare;crabbet type mareswith bone] and it works very
> > we;; but you
> > find that most of them end up in eventing or pony club
> > homes. but
> > the4 i have bred have go to different uses,farm pony for
> > kids,show
> > harness home in SA,Adult riding club [this person is
> > coming back
> > for another one]and the last one is just being broken in but
> > the
> > important thing ic that they have the temprement to do
> > anything you
> > want with them and as Megan said they would make excellent
> > show
> > hunters .YOU SROULD CONSIDER THIS SERIOUSLYAS i HAVE BREED
> > ARABS
> > BEFORE COBS AND i KNOW WHICH ARE THE BEST COBS Julie
> > >
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