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#1458 From: "robbo7474" <robbo74@...>
Date: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:09 pm
Subject:: CHEERS!
robbo7474
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G'day all!

Heather and I would like to thank everyone who was at Bakewell this weekend for
making us feel so welcome. We had an awesome day, and I was especially wrapped
to be able to get some air time!

Big thanks to Mirek for guiding us out to the site, Rick and Shaun for arranging
and assisting me with my flight, and especially Kevin for the generous loan of
his glider.

Cheers, Daniel (Robbo)

#1459 From: shaun wallace <shaun@...>
Date: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:06 am
Subject:: for Angelow
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Sorry i don't seam to have your e-mail address Angelow, so I'm sending
this to the group.
You can all watch this if You would like. It is very evocative.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=zeitgeist+the+movie&emb=0&aq=f&aq=1&oq=zei\
t#
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#1460 From: Angelo Polletta <angelopolletta@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:06 am
Subject:: Re: for Angelow
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Thanks for the info Shaun. Hope others will watch it and form there own opinions about the whole thing.
I have changed my Email address the new one is   www.angelopol@...


From: shaun wallace <shaun@...>
To: western_soarers@...
Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 6:06:50 PM
Subject: [western_soarers] for Angelow

 

Sorry i don't seam to have your e-mail address Angelow, so I'm sending
this to the group.
You can all watch this if You would like. It is very evocative.

http://video. google.com/ videosearch? q=zeitgeist+ the+movie& emb=0&aq= f&aq=1&oq= zeit#
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#1461 From: "paul.morrison123" <morpau@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:19 am
Subject:: hello everyone
paul.morriso...
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just wondering if anyone is heading out on sunday?

#1462 From: "Mirek" <mgenerow@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:41 am
Subject:: Outback Air Race
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Would you like to help the Flying Doctor?

The Flying Doctor has certainly helped a few Western Soarers over the years -
(the 'sorer' members).  The government only partially funds the RFDS, they rely
heavily on donations.

Stuart Payne, a friend of mine is flying in the Outback Air Race and looking for
sponsorship. 100% of the donations goes straight to the RFDS, the racing pilots
pay their own costs and pay a fee to enter the race.

You can donate directly to the RFDS at www.rfdswa.org.au

or to sponsor Stuart's team contact stuart.payne@...

You never know when you,your family or friends might need the RFDS.

#1463 From: "Mirek" <mgenerow@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:55 am
Subject:: Re: hello everyone
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--- In western_soarers@..., "paul.morrison123" <morpau@...>
wrote:
>
> just wondering if anyone is heading out on sunday?
>
Where are you thinking of flying?  It looks like Sunday will be light and
variable, E in the morning, swinging to N in the afternoon.  It might be a bit
of a challenge to launch off Bakewell and catch a thermal.

You could go towing if you can get a few people interested.  You might need to
spend a bit of time sorting out the tow car & tow gear.

#1464 From: "Rick Williams" <hillfly@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:37 pm
Subject:: flying down south this weekend?
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Latest ARL forecast is indicating nice conditions for Contos tomorrow......
Could scoot down there first thing in the morning (sat) - 3- 4hrs drive......paragliding in the morning (around 10kts westerly) and hang gliding in the afternoon (strengthening to around 15kts westerly in the afternoon).....and then head back to Perth Sat night as Sunday will not be flyable as light southerly winds forecast for sunday morning /day ....but might be nice "site" seeing weather........should be some room at any one of the Contos camp grounds (Just behind the launch) this time of year ($6 each per day/night per person?), for those who want to camp over sat night.....then a leisurely drive back Sunday  - or maybe stay in comfort somewhere around Margaret river, Busselton.....
 
Regards,
 
Rick.

#1465 From: shaun wallace <shaun@...>
Date: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:31 am
Subject:: Looking for a job
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Hi all
My working relationship with my current employer seams to have compleatly broken down. There for I'm looking for another job to keep me in WA. If I can't fined work here I will have to go back to Qld, which I don't want to do at this pont.

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#1466 From: Paul Morrison <morpau@...>
Date: Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:10 am
Subject:: RE: Re: hello everyone
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 thats ok maybe next weekend.

To: western_soarers@...
From: mgenerow@...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:55:30 +0000
Subject: [western_soarers] Re: hello everyone

 
--- In western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au, "paul.morrison123" <morpau@...> wrote:
>
> just wondering if anyone is heading out on sunday?
>
Where are you thinking of flying? It looks like Sunday will be light and variable, E in the morning, swinging to N in the afternoon. It might be a bit of a challenge to launch off Bakewell and catch a thermal.

You could go towing if you can get a few people interested. You might need to spend a bit of time sorting out the tow car & tow gear.




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#1467 From: "Holmes Family" <robnkath1@...>
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:27 am
Subject:: Re: flying down south this weekend?
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Hi Rick - Couldn't make it this time - in Broome for the weekend (flying no good there unfortunately).
Contos is one of the most spectacular sites that we have, but sadly, seldom flown. It would be very nice if someone (hint hint) could rev the site up a bit.
Great if you can keep a watch on Contos for weekends in the future - I would be one to join in for an early saturday departure from Perth and camp overnight either at Contos or in MRiver.
cheers
RobH
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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: [western_soarers] flying down south this weekend?

 

Latest ARL forecast is indicating nice conditions for Contos tomorrow......
Could scoot down there first thing in the morning (sat) - 3- 4hrs drive......paragliding in the morning (around 10kts westerly) and hang gliding in the afternoon (strengthening to around 15kts westerly in the afternoon).....and then head back to Perth Sat night as Sunday will not be flyable as light southerly winds forecast for sunday morning /day ....but might be nice "site" seeing weather........should be some room at any one of the Contos camp grounds (Just behind the launch) this time of year ($6 each per day/night per person?), for those who want to camp over sat night.....then a leisurely drive back Sunday  - or maybe stay in comfort somewhere around Margaret river, Busselton.....
 
Regards,
 
Rick.


#1468 From: shaun wallace <shaun@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:45 am
Subject:: Fwd: [chgc-members] FW: Forward request SGM group
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jason Turner <jason@...>
Date: Aug 11, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [chgc-members] FW: Forward request SGM group
To: Canungra Club <members@...>

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: fly.paragliders@... [mailto:fly.paragliders@...] On Behalf Of High Adventure
Sent:
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: Forward request SGM group

 

If you have received this message in Error I apologize and if you wish your email address removed from our data base please respond and it will be moved immediately

 

 

The Special general meeting is about to take place and I have been asked by the Particpants fo the Special general meeting to forward this to all pilots we know as the HGFA board will not

 

The new proponents have outlined their plan to reduce fees and bring the HGFA back to being Open and Honest

 

The future of our sport relies on this SGM getting through and your participation in it succeeding. Please make sure that when you vote that it sent by registered post as things tend to go missing at the HGFA office lately.

 

Regards to a better future and getting back to Flying

 

Please pass this onto other pilots wishing for change

 

 

 

Below 2 emails

 

 

Email from a Victorian Instructor to all his students

 

I have been a member of the HGFA since the early 80's and then it was an organization run mostly by volunteers who wanted to see the sport flourish and some lowly paid office bearers, the sport grew in the hands of volunteers mostly and there has always been an expectation from the members that the office bearers and committee had the best interests of the sport at heart. Whether they were being paid or offering their services as volunteer's

 

However since Chris Fogg and the current committee have been running the HGFA things have become repressed and dictatorial, as the letters attached will show. We have gone from in excess of 3000 members to now just 2300 members in 18 months. This will mean a further increase in fees from the $390 a year to be a HGFA member next renewal.

 

I personally believe that Chris Fogg has lied to the membership to stop the first SGM (special general meeting) ballot taking place so that he could get his contract renewed as GM with his cronies that he has on the current board - his contract was renewed for a further 5 years reportedly with a large pay out clause should he be sacked.

 

I also believe that Chris Fogg has only his own interest at heart and not the interest of the members and organization that he should be supporting.

 

He was getting in excess of $80,000 per year - base salary + expenses before he had his contract renewed, I expect that has gone up with his new contract.

 

If he is seen to have done as I expect that he has, I would assume that he would be removed from his job and his current contract would become void.

 

I believe that the job of GM in such a small organization could be done better by say a semi retired professional person with some time on his hands for a lot less than Mr. Fogg is being paid and that there really is no call for a high paid exec to be in charge of a little paper pushing organization such as the HGFA.
He is unnecessarily costing a great deal of members funds - your money and doing very little in return for his salary
It has been done before and should be done again by someone that has the best interests of the federation at heart.

 

I am also in complete aggreance with the complaints from John and the others about the increase in fees/robbing the states of their/your moneys and the lack of transparency on part of the committee and GM - this is all totally unacceptable.

 

 

 

 

Inappropriate Actions by the Current Board

By John Twomey 33651

I view the following as inappropriate actions; Refusal to report current membership numbers and the disastrous effect of their policies and culture (GM reported 2,607 members in Sept. 07), illegal removal of a Board Member (Brian Webb), misrepresenting our financial situation in support of their fee increase, ignoring input from the membership, refusing to recognise the memberships power and Motions passed at the last SGM, ignoring input from State/regional associations, ignoring the Rules (constitution), denying members their rights under the Rules, denying a members right to access records (membership, statistical, financial and legal), ignoring and not reporting the views of individual Board members, inappropriately threatening legal action, citing non existent legal advice (at the last AGM), improper inaccurate and selective AGM and Board Minutes keeping, poor fiscal management, supporting inappropriate use by the GM of his disciplinary powers and delays in proceedings and maintaining a non transparent disciplinary process, restricting magazine access/content, and refusing to provide membership details to frustrate democratic action.

The excesses of the Board are exemplified by the sacking of Board Member Brian Webb by the 5 board members named for removal in the current Special General Meeting. They asked him to resign, he declined. They then presumed to remove him citing Rule 6.3 from the Constitution claiming (falsely) that it gave them the power to remove him, it does not. A board member can only be removed at a General Meeting, Rule 6.23 and 6.24 of the Constitution headed “Removal of member”. The membership elected Brian and only you in General Meeting can remove him; as you are being asked to remove that same 5 in the current SGM.

The GM and President’s Reports in July Soaring mislead you regarding Brian by suggesting he had left the Board to pursue other interests, not true, they sacked him. Brian was his own man and had his own voice so he was side lined, he was sometimes kept out of Board email traffic and decision making. He is still constitutionally a member of the board and one of the three named new members was a pretender until the recent resignation of Don Cramer. Only 3 of the present Board were elected.

The President implied in July Soaring that nominations were called for the Board casual vacancies, this is not true, the 5 offered the positions to friends, attempting to maintain control and to partly negate this Special General Meeting.

The latest resignation of Don Cramer sees the loss of the last Board Member that had publicly voiced an independent view on Board policy. Recently Don Cramer and Brian Webb were openly critical of the Board and GM for the arbitrary misuse of the GM’s disciplinary powers. They in fact offered support and apologies to the recipient of his attention Mr Maderson Ford. I believe this was a factor in Don’s resignation.

The new Board decided to bring in huge unnecessary fee increases (56%). Contrary to their claims the fee increase was not necessary as we had ample reserves ($500,000 +) to meet all contingencies including a possible but unlikely call by our insurers to pay their full yearly premium in advance. You were told by the General Manager that such an insurance call “could be devastating to the organisation” (Soaring Mag., Sept. 08, Page 42, Para. 2), Pres. Javier Alverez used the word “bankruptcy” (Soaring Mag. October 08, Page 39) these claims were not true. The HGFA’s last audited statement of its financial position (07/08 financial accounts) showed we had reserves of $500,000 + on
30 June 2008. Also, we had traded in profit for the two previous financial years. A CPI increase was appropriate.

The Board took the relatively low State/ Regional fees component ($20 to $50 per person) and keep those also, effectively curtailing the States/ regions ability to fund State operations, maintain sites and fund other Club and State/ regional initiatives; this includes any commitment to site procurement which requires reliable assured ongoing funding. The taking of State/Regional fees is highly detrimental to our sports of Paragliding and Hang-gliding which are not airport based. The loss of reliable state operational funding will lead to poor site maintenance, loss of sites and increases in Club fees. The high fees are losing us members and membership numbers are now a Board secret, as is everything.

The neutering of the State/regional bodies will reduce volunteerism and increase less effectual centralized paid bureaucracy. If people do not have influence they will not have interest; you must engage them. This GM and Board in assuming all funds and power are destroying HGFA institutions. This recently included the Safety and Operations Committee (Holtkamp, Wenness, and other respected volunteers) which the GM first ignored and recently disbanded. They were disbanded after offering constructive criticism of a proposed GM/Board policy. Their comments addressed safe training operations.

The Board restricted (despite protest) the SGM “yes” side to a single sided A4 page to accompany the Special General Meeting Postal Ballot, on which to present their profiles, intentions and policies to the membership (censorship), they are also including only one page however the GM and President print up to 6 pages monthly in our magazine much of it devoted to self promotion, attacks and unjustified and unsubstantiated insinuations aimed at the members who do not agree with them. August Soaring magazine has seven pages of present Board Member profiles and propaganda. Through persistence they have managed to have their minimal but fortunately the most important constructive information included in Soaring magazine, August Edition, presented by Alex Jones.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: members-bounce@... [mailto:members-bounce@...] On Behalf Of raefmackay
Sent:
Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:36 AM
To: members
Subject: [chgc-members] Fw: HGFA Upcoming Special General Meeting

 


To All Pilots
 
There is an upcoming SGM of the HGFA.
 
The SGM consists of a Postal Vote by all HGFA members on each of 5 seperate motions. Each motion asks for the replacement of an existing Board member.
 
The following material has been prepared and sent for your information by the "Yes" side of the motions. Please read and consider the information prior to voting on the motions.
 

The HGFA have said they will be forwarding the Ballot Paper shortly, exactly when has not been advised. We have asked for arrangements to be put in place for scrutineers to be present for the opening and counting of the Ballots, our requests have to date been ignored.  
 
 
John Twomey



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#1469 From: christina quinn <yellow_dinosaur23@...>
Date: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:22 am
Subject:: 2010 Competitions
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Hey guys,

It's great to see a bunch of familiar WA names on the list for the Bogong cup! Hopefully we can have some great flying in mt beauty! Definitely a world away from flying in WA.

Just a little reminder that you guys are all welcome here in Canungra, and dont forget the Classic which runs from the 3rd-10th october. Visit the website to check it out http://www.triptera.com.au/canungra/classic2009/

(the rego page has been fixed now too, for those who tried before..)

Happy landings,

Christina

 




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#1470 From: christina quinn <yellow_dinosaur23@...>
Date: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:00 am
Subject:: Canungra Classic 2009
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Hey guys,

If you could forward this email onto your various membership lists and clubs that'd be awesome. Apologies if I've sent this to incorrect emails, i just went through the HGFA club list.

Basically just a quick note to let you all know that the Canungra Classic Hang gliding competition is coming up soon (3rd - 10th October), and we'd love for you all to come up have a fly with us. Also, the main reason of this message is to let you know that the registration page is now back up and online. It's been down for a while due to HGFA website difficulties, but it looks like they're all fixed up now. So click on the link below and get signed up!

http://www.triptera.com.au/canungra/classic2009/


If you have any questions or need help finding accommodation up here, feel free to email me (christina@...) and I'll make sure that your questions get to the right person.

Hope to see you all up here in October.

Christina.




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#1471 From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Date: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:29 am
Subject:: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
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Paul

 

I refer you to the message below that is attributed to you. If this is a 'fake Email' you should disown it without delay. Because if you really have sent this your actions are quite inexcusable,

 

It seems you have sent this in your capacity as Secretary HGFA. This is an abuse of your position, because you have used the position and HGFA resourcesto promulgate your personal agenda.  I take particular exception because you have by implication defamed HGAWA, an association with which I have recently taken up a committee role.

 

In your second paragraph you claim that 'not one cent in funds was ever returned' to Western Microlights. The fact is that $2000 of funding to Western Microlights was approved at the HGAWA April 2009 AGM. We are still waiting for Western Microlights to send a quote or invoice so that the funding can be finalised.

 

The  next paragraph is misleading. The truth is that if HGFA has done anything to restore equity between trike pilots and other disciplnes, it has done so by raising the membership fees so much that everybody feels equally ripped off. This email implies you are seeking to place the Microlight pilots apart from the other sports by seeking a greater apportionment of the funding.  This will just alienate the groups instead of bringing them together.  Seeking to drive a wedge into the greater Hang Gliding community will not serve any useful purpose, and is likely to do lasting damage.

 

Then we come to paragraph four, an abortive attempt at the 'straw man' strategy. The SGM does not call for a return to the â€good old days’ (whatever that means). There is no mention of â€good old days’ in any of the supporting material. In the past, there have been good days and there have been bad days; no different from now really. But when an organisation seeks to correct a damaging policy direction; this is not regression. It is how organisations recover and move forward, every competent manager knows this.

 

As for the next paragraph, the SGM group has never  'PUBLICLY stated that trikes should not be part of the HGFA'   It is a serious error to assume that everybody who wants to see the back of this appalling Board is part of the SGM group. It becomes more apparent every day that the Board has managed to infuriate a broad spectrum of the hang gliding community. The level of anger I see expressed in some posts, from people I have never heard of, astonishes me.

 

 This SGM has come from an entirely different group than the first one from Canungra. I drafted the requisition and found the candidates. Lex coordinated the process. We are both in WA. Canungra is in Queensland.

 

For the sake of probity, I should make it clear that I am current Chairman of HGAWA. However, I am not writing this from that position, The views above are my own. This computer is my own, paid for by me. I have made use of no resources other than my own to produce this.

 

As I stated at the start, if the message attributed to you below is a fake I'd be happy to hear you disown it.

 

Regards

 

Peter

--- On Sat, 15/8/09, john twomey <johntvhpa@...> wrote:


From: john twomey <johntvhpa@...>
Subject: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
To: "'Andrew Medew' (VHPA Committee)" <hang_gliding@...>, "Azure Photography" <info@...>, "Bob Hayes (NQHGA)" <rohayes@...>, "Brian Webb (HGFA Comm)" <brianmwebb@...>, "b webb" <brianwebb@...>, "Carolyn Dennis" <carolyn@...>, "Chris Clements" <chrisclements@...>, "Chris Drake" <christopher@...>, cindi.thornton@..., "Colin Page Photography" <shot@...>, "godfrey" <skygodfrey@...>, "Greg Hollands" <greg.s.hollands@...>, "Greg Lowry" <g.lowry@...>, "Hamish Barker" <hamish.barker@...>, "'Hamish Barker'" <hamish_barker@...>, "Jiri Stipek" <jiri5@...>, "Jos Weemaes (PICO)" <jweemaes@...>, lawrence.pozzani@..., "Lisa Chaleston" <lmccpa@...>, "maderson ford" <madersonford@...>, "Mark Wild" <mark@...>, "'Martin Halford' (VHGA)" <president@...>, "Michael Porter (ACTHGPGA)" <michael.porter@...>, "Peter South" <ronwaysouth@...>, "Rob van der Klooster" <robvanderklooster@...>, "Sky Piglet" <skypiglet@...>, "Stephen Clark (TASHPA)" <stephenmclark@...>, "tony klemm" <adklemm@...>
Received: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 7:43 AM


 

From: johntvhpa@...
To: raefon72@...; ronwaysouth@...; aa.jones@...; rayfirth@...
Subject: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:43:01 +1000

Pilots
 
The following copy of a message was sent to me by a trike pilot as he felt we should know of it. Coffey direct campaigning to trike pilots.
 
John Twomey
 


From:
To: johntvhpa@...
Subject: Fw: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:07:06 +1000


This may be of interest to you....
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

Fellow trike pilots,

I am sending this email to you as HGFA Secretary and as a trike pilot concerned for all trike pilots within the HGFA. You should be aware that a small number of the membership has, as is their right under the constitution, called for a Special General Meeting (SGM). The SGM vote will soon be upon us and will prove to be a watershed moment for the HGFA and particularly for trike pilots. Read on to learn why you should vote and why you should vote NO.

 

For too many years, trike pilots have been treated as the poor relations in the HGFA and were generally unable to access any funds from the State Associations despite being required to pay the state levy for many years – in my own club’s case, for 15 years members paid this fee and not one cent in funds was ever returned. The fees garnered from trike pilots were generally used to support sites that trikers never used, clubs that trikers did not belong to and events that trikers could not enter, except that they were in demand as underpaid tug pilots.

 

That situation has been rectified by the current Board and trike pilots now pay the same membership fees as every other member with no additional levies or surcharges which, in previous times, were only ever there because “wealthy” trike pilots were easy targets to milk for additional revenue. Furthermore, the HGFA under the current Board with the negotiation skill of the current General Manager has brought trike pilots greater scope and recognition in the HGFA insurance. These benefits will be lost if the SGM succeeds in their motions. Only a NO vote will prevent a loss of these newly established privileges.

 

The proponents of the SGM are lobbying to replace 5 of the current Board members with their own nominees specifically in order to return the HGFA to what they see as being those “good-old-days” when trikers were regarded as milking cows and second-class citizens. Only a NO vote will prevent that.

The proponents of the SGM and their nominees have already PUBLICLY stated that trikes should not be part of the HGFA, that all trikers should be forced to join the rival organisation and that the HGFA would be better off if restricted solely to the soaring disciplines without any motorised craft. Only a NO vote will prevent that.

 

Trike pilots, acting as a group, have it within their power to reject the SGM motions and keep the HGFA moving forward towards a better, fairer, more equitable organisation for the benefit of all members. Only a NO vote will allow that to happen.

 

Your vote counts. You have the power to keep the positive direction of this organisation through your vote.

 

You are being asked to vote twice in a short period, firstly on the SGM motions and then again in the standard general elections where these same SGM candidates are already self nominating. Only through your vote can you send the message that the trike community supports the current directions of the HGFA.

 

If you want continued improvement and recognition as an important member of the HGFA you need to:

  1. Vote NO to the SGM vote.
  2. Nominate yourself or vote for those who will continue to work on your behalf for a better microlight representation in the HGFA through the general election vote.

Regards,

Paul Coffey

HGFA Secretary

This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It may not be distributed, in whole or in part, in any form with out the express written consent of the sender. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not use, copy, retain or deliver this message to anyone, and you should kindly notify the sender by reply email before destroying the message. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Views expressed in this communication may not be those of the HGFA. Except as required at law, the HGFA does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this message has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, viruses.

 


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#1472 From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Date: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:54 am
Subject:: RE: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
ronwaysouth
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Hi Paul
 
Responding in two parts is a good idea, because the issues are quite separate.
 
a) Western Microlight Club and HGAWA funding
 
The requirements to provide an invoice or quote to complete the funding was made clear at the meeting and published in the minutes. Other clubs did this and got funding. The minutes were published on the HGAWA website shortly after the meeting, and the HGAWA website is clearly linked on the HGFA website. The minutes are still there for anyone to see. http://flywa.com.au/hgawa/forms/HGAWA%20SGM%202009-07-24.pdf. Also, on  3 August you raised this very issue on the HGFA forum. I responded on 6 August with this same information on the  forum and even supplied and extract of the minutes.
 
It  seems that if you are looking for an explanation for any perceived lack of funding to Western Microlights from HGAWA, a serviceable mirror would be a good place to start.
 
On a more serious note, HGAWA is currently working through our strategic plan and identifying projects to be funded. If Western Microlights has other identified or potential projects requiring funding this would be a very good time to raise them so they can be incorporated in the plan.
 
Other issues
 
Sorry Paul, but your assertion that anything that anybody says, who wants to see the current Board ousted,  forms part of the SGM agenda does not carry. Take the argument to its logical conclusion: if somebody supporting the SGM also states that dolphins should be harvested for pet food; does that put dolphin slaughter on the SGM agenda? You are too intelligent to be putting this sort of thing forward. The prime motivation for the SGM is a well founded belief that the activities of the current Board present a clear and present danger to the sport of Hang Gliding. The agenda of the proponents is clearly set out in the 'Future Vision'. It is all about returning control of HGFA to the members, proper financial management, and ensuring HGFA employees are delivering value. See for yourself here http://flywa.com.au/sgm/.
 
I could quite easily trawl through the forums and find all sorts of  defamatory rubbish from Board supporters and demand that you disown it. But I won't, because this is a serious issue and requires mature debate.
 
I regret any distress I may have caused you in referring to abuse of your position. I will try to choose my words more carefully. One of the motions of the SGM is to remove you from the committee. Assuming you do not want to be removed, it is in your personal interest that the SGM motions fail. Thus you are at risk of confusing HGFA's interests with your own personal interests. By using HGFA resources to specifically seek the defeat of the motions you open yourself to the possibility that you are using them for personal interest. You have thus placed yourself in a very ambiguous position at best. By targeting your  message at one section of the Hang Gliding community, and fostering feelings of marginalisation, you risk promoting division for your own ends.
 
I am perfectly happy for you to send this entire thread to all the people you sent your original message to. By doing this, you could return to the balanced position that you are required to maintain as HGFA secretary, on this issue at least. Better still, send it to all HGFA members. They are an intelligent lot, let them judge for themselves if I speak true or ill.
 
Regards
 
Peter 


--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Paul Coffey <trikernews@...> wrote:

From: Paul Coffey <trikernews@...>
Subject: RE: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future
To: "'Peter South'" <ronwaysouth@...>, paul@..., aa.jones@..., western_soarers@..., bwynne@..., rayfirth@..., alaricgiles@...
Cc: "''Andrew Medew' (VHPA Committee)'" <hang_gliding@...>, "'Azure Photography'" <info@...>, "'Bob Hayes (NQHGA)'" <rohayes@...>, "'Brian Webb (HGFA Comm)'" <brianmwebb@...>, "'b webb'" <brianwebb@...>, "'Carolyn Dennis'" <carolyn@...>, "'Chris Clements'" <chrisclements@...>, "'Chris Drake'" <christopher@...>, cindi.thornton@..., "'Colin Page Photography'" <shot@...>, "'godfrey'" <skygodfrey@...>, "'Greg Hollands'" <greg.s.hollands@...>, "'Greg Lowry'" <g.lowry@...>, "'Hamish Barker'" <hamish.barker@...>, "'Jiri Stipek'" <jiri5@...>, "'Jos Weemaes (PICO)'" <jweemaes@...>, lawrence.pozzani@..., "'Lisa Chaleston'" <lmccpa@...>, "'maderson ford'" <madersonford@...>, "'Mark Wild'" <mark@...>, "''Martin Halford' (VHGA)'" <president@...>, "'Michael Porter (ACTHGPGA)'" <michael.porter@...>, "'Rob van der Klooster'" <robvanderklooster@...>, "'Sky Piglet'" <skypiglet@...>, "'Stephen Clark (TASHPA)'" <stephenmclark@...>, "'tony klemm'" <adklemm@...>, "'Chris Fogg'" <general.manager@...>
Received: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 2:03 PM

Hello Peter,

Thank you for your email. I have responded in two parts.

(a) Western Microlight Club and HGAWA funding:

Thank you for the information about the funding for Western Microlight Club. Now that we know what we are expected to do, we will do so but this is the first time we have been informed of any process or requirement beyond what we’ve already done. That is, we made an application to the AGM, our delegate was informed that it was approved and that the funds would be forthcoming and that’s the last we heard of it. We’ve never been told anything different and neither our delegate nor myself, as club secretary, have received any contact from HGAWA about the matter.

Western Microlight Club thanks HGAWA for the promise of $2,000. However, we’d like it recognised that this will just be returning some of the fees levied on our club members and passed to HGAWA over the years. $27.50 per year for 15 years is $412.50. Some years we’ve had more than 50 members paying the State Levy to HGAWA – the average number has been around 30. Taking that over the life of the club, and being conservative, it means that over $10,000 has been contributed to HGAWA by our club members.

(b) Other issues you have raised:

Regarding public statements about trikes not being part of the HGFA… I was present at the State Associations’ meeting when your SGM nominee to replace the HGFA President made that very statement quite clearly and forcefully. He stated that trikes should not be part of the HGFA and that the HGFA would be much better off if restricted to the soaring disciplines. I believe that such a statement made in front of all State Association delegates is a public statement.

Further public statements are those statements made on various forums and email chains supporting the SGM, many of which have said the same thing.

Recently, Mr Twomey tried to distance himself and the SGM nominees from such statements by claiming that those views are simply the views of some “others” who have expressed their own views. In my opinion, that’s a spurious argument. I contend that the publicly expressed “views of others” who support your case are also your views unless you publicly express disagreement with those views, as Board members have done consistently.

Those “views of others” in support of the SGM case are, by default, the views of the SGM proponents unless they had publicly disavowed those with which they did not agree — I have never seen any such public disavowal.

There is nothing in my email about seeking to place microlight pilots apart from the other sports and there is no implication that microlight pilots are seeking a greater apportionment of funding. On the contrary, trikers just want a fair share of the funds which they contribute and which they have always contributed instead of the almost nothing which they have been receiving Australia-wide for more than 15 years.

In all that time, the majority of the funds gleaned from the microlight pilots have been used by the other disciplines for clubs that trikers do not belong to, sites that trikers don’t use, events that trikers can’t enter and activities that trikers are not invited to attend.

Naturally, trikers are concerned as your SGM group has committed to returning the HGFA to that previous funding model where trikers and all minority groups received little and effectively subsidised the other more populous disciplines and large clubs.

I stand accused of abuse of position and of having a personal agenda. I believe that neither accusation has any merit. My only agenda is a fair and equitable deal for all HGFA members regardless of location or discipline. As HGFA Secretary, I have every right to contact members who the Board has identified as a group which could be disadvantaged more than other groups by the passage of the SGM vote and to alert them to that fact.

The SGM vote is now almost upon us and whichever side prevails will have a mandate from the members and that Board can then turn its attention to the election of the new Board for 2010-2012.

Regards,

Paul

 

Paul Coffey

HGFA Secretary

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From: Peter South [mailto:ronwaysouth@...]

Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 7:29 PM

To: paul@...; aa.jones@...; western_soarers@...; bwynne@...; rayfirth@...; alaricgiles@...

Cc: 'Andrew Medew' (VHPA Committee); Azure Photography; Bob Hayes (NQHGA); Brian Webb (HGFA Comm); b webb; Carolyn Dennis; Chris Clements; Chris Drake; cindi.thornton@...; Colin Page Photography; godfrey; Greg Hollands; Greg Lowry; Hamish Barker; 'Hamish Barker'; Jiri Stipek; Jos Weemaes (PICO); lawrence.pozzani@...; Lisa Chaleston; maderson ford; Mark Wild; 'Martin Halford' (VHGA); Michael Porter (ACTHGPGA); Rob van der Klooster; Sky Piglet; Stephen Clark (TASHPA); tony klemm

Subject: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

 

Paul

I refer you to the message below that is attributed to you. If this is a 'fake Email' you should disown it without delay. Because if you really have sent this your actions are quite inexcusable,

It seems you have sent this in your capacity as Secretary HGFA. This is an abuse of your position, because you have used the position and HGFA resourcesto promulgate your personal agenda. I take particular exception because you have by implication defamed HGAWA, an association with which I have recently taken up a committee role.

In your second paragraph you claim that 'not one cent in funds was ever returned' to Western Microlights. The fact is that $2000 of funding to Western Microlights was approved at the HGAWA April 2009 AGM. We are still waiting for Western Microlights to send a quote or invoice so that the funding can be finalised.

The next paragraph is misleading. The truth is that if HGFA has done anything to restore equity between trike pilots and other disciplnes, it has done so by raising the membership fees so much that everybody feels equally ripped off. This email implies you are seeking to place the Microlight pilots apart from the other sports by seeking a greater apportionment of the funding. This will just alienate the groups instead of bringing them together. Seeking to drive a wedge into the greater Hang Gliding community will not serve any useful purpose, and is likely to do lasting damage.

Then we come to paragraph four, an abortive attempt at the 'straw man' strategy. The SGM does not call for a return to the â€good old days’ (whatever that means). There is no mention of â€good old days’ in any of the supporting material. In the past, there have been good days and there have been bad days; no different from now really. But when an organisation seeks to correct a damaging policy direction; this is not regression. It is how organisations recover and move forward, every competent manager knows this.

As for the next paragraph, the SGM group has never 'PUBLICLY stated that trikes should not be part of the HGFA' It is a serious error to assume that everybody who wants to see the back of this appalling Board is part of the SGM group. It becomes more apparent every day that the Board has managed to infuriate a broad spectrum of the hang gliding community. The level of anger I see expressed in some posts, from people I have never heard of, astonishes me.

This SGM has come from an entirely different group than the first one from Canungra. I drafted the requisition and found the candidates. Lex coordinated the process. We are both in WA. Canungra is in Queensland.

For the sake of probity, I should make it clear that I am current Chairman of HGAWA. However, I am not writing this from that position, The views above are my own. This computer is my own, paid for by me. I have made use of no resources other than my own to produce this.

As I stated at the start, if the message attributed to you below is a fake I'd be happy to hear you disown it.

Regards

Peter

 

--- On Sat, 15/8/09, john twomey <johntvhpa@...> wrote:

 

From: john twomey <johntvhpa@...>

Subject: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

To: "'Andrew Medew' (VHPA Committee)" <hang_gliding@...>, "Azure Photography" <info@...>, "Bob Hayes (NQHGA)" <rohayes@...>, "Brian Webb (HGFA Comm)" <brianmwebb@...>, "b webb" <brianwebb@...>, "Carolyn Dennis" <carolyn@...>, "Chris Clements" <chrisclements@...>, "Chris Drake" <christopher@...>, cindi.thornton@..., "Colin Page Photography" <shot@...>, "godfrey" <skygodfrey@...>, "Greg Hollands" <greg.s.hollands@...>, "Greg Lowry" <g.lowry@...>, "Hamish Barker" <hamish.barker@...>, "'Hamish Barker'" <hamish_barker@...>, "Jiri Stipek" <jiri5@...>, "Jos Weemaes (PICO)" <jweemaes@...>, lawrence.pozzani@..., "Lisa Chaleston" <lmccpa@...>, "maderson ford" <madersonford@...>, "Mark Wild" <mark@...>, "'Martin Halford' (VHGA)" <president@...>, "Michael Porter (ACTHGPGA)" <michael.porter@...>, "Peter South" <ronwaysouth@...>, "Rob van der Klooster" <robvanderklooster@...>, "Sky Piglet" <skypiglet@...>, "Stephen Clark (TASHPA)" <stephenmclark@...>, "tony klemm" <adklemm@...>

Received: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 7:43 AM

 

 


From: johntvhpa@...

To: raefon72@...; ronwaysouth@...; aa.jones@...; rayfirth@...

Subject: FW: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:43:01 +1000

 

Pilots

 

The following copy of a message was sent to me by a trike pilot as he felt we should know of it. Coffey direct campaigning to trike pilots.

 

John Twomey

 


 

From:

To: johntvhpa@...

Subject: Fw: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:07:06 +1000

 

This may be of interest to you....

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:49 AM

Subject: Microlight Pilots need to secure your organisation's Future

 

Fellow trike pilots,

I am sending this email to you as HGFA Secretary and as a trike pilot concerned for all trike pilots within the HGFA. You should be aware that a small number of the membership has, as is their right under the constitution, called for a Special General Meeting (SGM). The SGM vote will soon be upon us and will prove to be a watershed moment for the HGFA and particularly for trike pilots. Read on to learn why you should vote and why you should vote NO.

 

For too many years, trike pilots have been treated as the poor relations in the HGFA and were generally unable to access any funds from the State Associations despite being required to pay the state levy for many years – in my own club’s case, for 15 years members paid this fee and not one cent in funds was ever returned. The fees garnered from trike pilots were generally used to support sites that trikers never used, clubs that trikers did not belong to and events that trikers could not enter, except that they were in demand as underpaid tug pilots.

 

That situation has been rectified by the current Board and trike pilots now pay the same membership fees as every other member with no additional levies or surcharges which, in previous times, were only ever there because “wealthy” trike pilots were easy targets to milk for additional revenue. Furthermore, the HGFA under the current Board with the negotiation skill of the current General Manager has brought trike pilots greater scope and recognition in the HGFA insurance. These benefits will be lost if the SGM succeeds in their motions. Only a NO vote will prevent a loss of these newly established privileges.

 

The proponents of the SGM are lobbying to replace 5 of the current Board members with their own nominees specifically in order to return the HGFA to what they see as being those “good-old-days” when trikers were regarded as milking cows and second-class citizens. Only a NO vote will prevent that.

The proponents of the SGM and their nominees have already PUBLICLY stated that trikes should not be part of the HGFA, that all trikers should be forced to join the rival organisation and that the HGFA would be better off if restricted solely to the soaring disciplines without any motorised craft. Only a NO vote will prevent that.

 

Trike pilots, acting as a group, have it within their power to reject the SGM motions and keep the HGFA moving forward towards a better, fairer, more equitable organisation for the benefit of all members. Only a NO vote will allow that to happen.

 

Your vote counts. You have the power to keep the positive direction of this organisation through your vote.

 

You are being asked to vote twice in a short period, firstly on the SGM motions and then again in the standard general elections where these same SGM candidates are already self nominating. Only through your vote can you send the message that the trike community supports the current directions of the HGFA.

 

If you want continued improvement and recognition as an important member of the HGFA you need to:

1.                  Vote NO to the SGM vote.

2.                  Nominate yourself or vote for those who will continue to work on your behalf for a better microlight representation in the HGFA through the general election vote.

Regards,

Paul Coffey

HGFA Secretary

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#1473 From: "John Twomey" <vote@...>
Date: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:10 pm
Subject:: Reasons to vote Yes on the HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
johntvhpa
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Dear Pilot,
 
Your SGM ballot paper is coming.  Voting "Yes" to each motion removes a board member who inappropriately:
 
1. Increased the HGFA annual fee (up to 56%) despite holding $500,000+ in reserves.
2. Retained what was your State/regional fees component.
3. Acted contrary to the HGFA Rules (Constitution) and members rights and interests.
 
The "Yes" vote candidates propose to remedy these matters.
 
The following material was submitted to, but censored from our magazine:-
 
The Board decided to bring in huge unnecessary fee increases (up to 56%).  Contrary to their claims, the fee increase was not necessary: The HGFA has always had ample reserves ($500,000+) to meet all contingencies.  You were told by the General Manager that a possible insurance premium call could be devastating (Soaring Mag., Sept. 08, Page 42, Para. 2), Pres. Javier Alverez used the word "bankruptcy" (Soaring Mag. Oct. 08, page 39), neither claim was true.  Our reserves are double such an unlikely call. See the HGFA's last audited financial statements (HGFA 07/08 accounts, Page 6).  Also, the HGFA has traded profitably (averaging $40,000 surplus every year) for at least four years (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008). Treasurer Mark Mitsos recently emailed some members claiming we had made losses, again not true.
 
Further they decided to take your State/Regional fees component and keep those also, effectively curtailing your State/regions ability to fund local operations, maintain sites and fund other Club and State/regional initiatives including Site Procurement.
 
The taking of State/Regional fees is highly detrimental to our sports of Paragliding and Hang-gliding which are not airport based. The loss of reliable State operational funding will lead to poor site maintenance, loss of sites and increases in Club fees.
 
The high fees are losing us members and membership numbers are being withheld.  A figure of 2,220 was stated by Bob Hayes (August Soaring) while one new Board member recently mentioned low 2100's. This is down from 2,607 in Sept. 2007.
 
The excesses of the Board are exemplified by the sacking of Board Member Brian Webb by the 5 board members named for removal in this Special General Meeting.  The 5 asked Brian to resign, he declined. They then sacked him, disregarding rules 6.23 and 6.24 ("Removal of member") of our Constitution which requires a General Meeting to remove a Board Member. The members elected Brian and only you in General Meeting can remove him; as we are asking you to remove that 5 now.
 
The GM and President in in July Soaring (pages 40 - 41) suggested Brian had left the Board to pursue other interests, not true. Brian was his own man and had his own voice so they sacked him. He is still constitutionally a member of the board, and has even renominated for the upcoming Board election. There are only 3 elected Members left on the present Board.
 
The President implies in his column in July Soaring that nominations were called for the Board casual vacancies, not true, the 5 offered their friends the positions in an attempt to maintain control and negate this Special General Meeting. That's another reason they sacked Brian.
 
The latest resignation of Don Cramer is the loss of a Board Member we believed had much to contribute. He at times voiced an independent view on Board policies.  Both Don Cramer and Brian Webb were openly critical of the GM and Board for the unchecked arbitrary and inappropriate use of the GM's disciplinary powers.  Don and Brian offered their support and apologies to the recipient of their attention, Mr. Maderson Ford. I believe this led to Dons resignation. Brian and Don have wished us luck with the SGM.
 
The SGM's 5 named Board Members have jeopardised our flying community by: Ignoring input from the membership, ignoring input from State/regional associations, ignoring the Rules (constitution), denying members rights under the Rules, denying a members right to access records (membership, statistical, financial, insurance, and legal), ignoring and not reporting the views of individual Board members, inappropriately threatening legal action, misrepresenting our financial situation in support of the fee increase, claiming to possess nonexistent legal advice (at the last AGM), improper selective Minutes keeping, poor fiscal management, illegal removal of a Board Member and supporting inappropriate use by the GM of his disciplinary powers and delays in proceedings and maintaining a non transparent disciplinary process. Further they have frustrated the ability of concerned individuals and groups to inform the membership by restricting access to the magazine, denying members their right to propose AGM motions, and withholding members postal and email addresses, in order to block democratic action, and even to frustrate a legal SGM conducted earlier in the year (see my article Soaring magazine July 09 Edition).
 
The neutering of the State/regional bodies will reduce volunteerism and increase less effectual centralized paid bureaucracy. If people do not have influence they will not have interest; you must engage them.  This GM and Board in assuming all funds and power are destroying HGFA institutions. This recently included the Safety and Operations Committee (Holtkamp, Wenness, and other respected volunteers) which the GM first ignored and recently disbanded. They were disbanded after offering constructive criticism of a proposed GM/Board policy. Their comments addressed safe training operations.
 
John Twomey
 
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#1474 From: "John Twomey" <vote@...>
Date: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:10 pm
Subject:: Reasons to vote Yes on the HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
johntvhpa
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Dear Pilot,
 
Your SGM ballot paper is coming.  Voting "Yes" to each motion removes a board member who inappropriately:
 
1. Increased the HGFA annual fee (up to 56%) despite holding $500,000+ in reserves.
2. Retained what was your State/regional fees component.
3. Acted contrary to the HGFA Rules (Constitution) and members rights and interests.
 
The "Yes" vote candidates propose to remedy these matters.
 
The following material was submitted to, but censored from our magazine:-
 
The Board decided to bring in huge unnecessary fee increases (up to 56%).  Contrary to their claims, the fee increase was not necessary: The HGFA has always had ample reserves ($500,000+) to meet all contingencies.  You were told by the General Manager that a possible insurance premium call could be devastating (Soaring Mag., Sept. 08, Page 42, Para. 2), Pres. Javier Alverez used the word "bankruptcy" (Soaring Mag. Oct. 08, page 39), neither claim was true.  Our reserves are double such an unlikely call. See the HGFA's last audited financial statements (HGFA 07/08 accounts, Page 6).  Also, the HGFA has traded profitably (averaging $40,000 surplus every year) for at least four years (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008). Treasurer Mark Mitsos recently emailed some members claiming we had made losses, again not true.
 
Further they decided to take your State/Regional fees component and keep those also, effectively curtailing your State/regions ability to fund local operations, maintain sites and fund other Club and State/regional initiatives including Site Procurement.
 
The taking of State/Regional fees is highly detrimental to our sports of Paragliding and Hang-gliding which are not airport based. The loss of reliable State operational funding will lead to poor site maintenance, loss of sites and increases in Club fees.
 
The high fees are losing us members and membership numbers are being withheld.  A figure of 2,220 was stated by Bob Hayes (August Soaring) while one new Board member recently mentioned low 2100's. This is down from 2,607 in Sept. 2007.
 
The excesses of the Board are exemplified by the sacking of Board Member Brian Webb by the 5 board members named for removal in this Special General Meeting.  The 5 asked Brian to resign, he declined. They then sacked him, disregarding rules 6.23 and 6.24 ("Removal of member") of our Constitution which requires a General Meeting to remove a Board Member. The members elected Brian and only you in General Meeting can remove him; as we are asking you to remove that 5 now.
 
The GM and President in in July Soaring (pages 40 - 41) suggested Brian had left the Board to pursue other interests, not true. Brian was his own man and had his own voice so they sacked him. He is still constitutionally a member of the board, and has even renominated for the upcoming Board election. There are only 3 elected Members left on the present Board.
 
The President implies in his column in July Soaring that nominations were called for the Board casual vacancies, not true, the 5 offered their friends the positions in an attempt to maintain control and negate this Special General Meeting. That's another reason they sacked Brian.
 
The latest resignation of Don Cramer is the loss of a Board Member we believed had much to contribute. He at times voiced an independent view on Board policies.  Both Don Cramer and Brian Webb were openly critical of the GM and Board for the unchecked arbitrary and inappropriate use of the GM's disciplinary powers.  Don and Brian offered their support and apologies to the recipient of their attention, Mr. Maderson Ford. I believe this led to Dons resignation. Brian and Don have wished us luck with the SGM.
 
The SGM's 5 named Board Members have jeopardised our flying community by: Ignoring input from the membership, ignoring input from State/regional associations, ignoring the Rules (constitution), denying members rights under the Rules, denying a members right to access records (membership, statistical, financial, insurance, and legal), ignoring and not reporting the views of individual Board members, inappropriately threatening legal action, misrepresenting our financial situation in support of the fee increase, claiming to possess nonexistent legal advice (at the last AGM), improper selective Minutes keeping, poor fiscal management, illegal removal of a Board Member and supporting inappropriate use by the GM of his disciplinary powers and delays in proceedings and maintaining a non transparent disciplinary process. Further they have frustrated the ability of concerned individuals and groups to inform the membership by restricting access to the magazine, denying members their right to propose AGM motions, and withholding members postal and email addresses, in order to block democratic action, and even to frustrate a legal SGM conducted earlier in the year (see my article Soaring magazine July 09 Edition).
 
The neutering of the State/regional bodies will reduce volunteerism and increase less effectual centralized paid bureaucracy. If people do not have influence they will not have interest; you must engage them.  This GM and Board in assuming all funds and power are destroying HGFA institutions. This recently included the Safety and Operations Committee (Holtkamp, Wenness, and other respected volunteers) which the GM first ignored and recently disbanded. They were disbanded after offering constructive criticism of a proposed GM/Board policy. Their comments addressed safe training operations.
 
John Twomey
 
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#1475 From: "Gary H" <drat@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:00 am
Subject:: This makes interesting reading if you have'nt seen it yet !!
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Special Resolution Notice - new HGFA diciplinary procedures.

Special Resolution Notice - new HGFA diciplinary procedures.

Postby cnd » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:13 am

Re-Post. This topic, and all replies to it, "accidentally vanished" overnight ...

The following changes to HGFA rules have been submitted to the HGFA Secretary for all members to vote on. You will recieve your ballot paper for voting some time in the next month - on or before the 5th September.


SPECIAL RESOLUTION

Proposed Amendments to the HGFA Constitution.

As per #7.29 & #7.15 of the HGFA Constitution, the following amendments are
put to the membership for a special resolution vote. The items underlined in bold are the
proposed additions to the current rules.

PART 5: DICIPLINING OF MEMBERS

5.1 [...] the Operations Manager may:

5.7.1 suspend any certificates, Licences or privileges issued by the Federation for up to 14
days,
pending a hearing before the Disciplinary Tribunal, by forwarding the member
the documents outlined in 5.8.2


5.7.2 notify the Committee who shall immediately appoint a Disciplinary Tribunal consisting
of 3 randomly chosen members of the Federation.

5.7.3 Where the complainant or member named in the complaint is any HGFA board
member or any employee or officer of the HGFA, then the President of a State or
Regional group to which the complainant belongs shall assume the role and all
powers of the HGFA Operations Manager to handle the dispute, and that State or
Regional groups’ committee shall assume the role and powers of the HGFA
committee to appoint the tribunal and enforce any ruling.




Why are these changes necessary?

There are 5 amendments above:-

5.7.1a (the 14 day limit is needed to prevent members being suspended indefinitely without
hearings or evidence)

5.7.1b (the requirement for documentation and evidence to support any suspension is needed
to prevent uninformed, premature, or unfair suspensions and to protect the HGFA against
lawsuits for wrongful suspensions)

5.7.2a (the word “immediately” is needed to remove the potential for unfair delays,
indefinite suspensions, or tribunal tampering)

5.7.2b (random selection is needed, to help prevent dishonest tribunal appointments or other
tampering/bias)

5.7.3 (this the new clause is needed, because without it, the board and HGFA employees are
unable to be held accountable for any dishonest actions of their own, and/or members
involved in disputes with the HGFA are unable access fair hearings or discipline procedures)

An incident occurred earlier this year which highlighted some serious shortcomings in the
HGFA discipline process. The following is an account of this incident, with the relevant
amendment references from above included [in square backets] to explain the necessity for
each of them. The Board and General Manager may dispute this account [5.7.3] of the events
– but in brief – they are as follows:

An apprentice employee of a Board Member was conducting illegal, unsupervised training
operations, and complaints about this situation were not acted upon by the board [5.7.3].
This rouge apprentice incorrectly assumed that a second person, an instructor competing for
business at the same site, was responsible for making the complaint and the apprentice
physically assaulted the instructor when he turned up on launch in full view of numerous
witnesses.

The instructor reported this incident to the police and requested that the HGFA take
disciplinary action. Witness statements and police contact details were made available.

The General Manager immediately suspended the instructor – the victim of the assault, giving
as the only reason for the suspension the excuse that “some parts of the event reported were
questionable”. No evidence was provided [5.7.1b], and when he was later given evidence to
disprove his original “questionable” claims, he did not remove the suspension [5.7.1a]. The
instructor asked the witnesses if any of them had heard from the GM – and they all said “no”
[5.7.1b].

The instructor remained suspended without income and without evidence for several months
[5.7.1a] while the GM prepared a long list of allegations against him. It is unacceptable that
members be suspended indefinitely without evidence – only after the evidence has been
collected, examined, and made available, should any suspension be enforced – otherwise the
chances of unfairly suspending innocent pilots is too great. The GM incredulously included
in his allegations sent to the tribunal his opinion that the instructor “deserved to be assaulted”
on account of the “malicious rumors” circulating about the apprentice. The GM didn’t tell
the tribunal that the Apprentice was in fact guilty of the “rumors”. The GM did concede that
there was no evidence suggesting that the instructor was even involved in those rumors. In
short; the GM’s tribunal instructions fell far short of the impartial, unbiased role he should be
expected to play in such situations [5.7.3].

The tribunal was carefully selected by either the GM or the Board. The HGFA Treasurer was
the employee of the rogue apprentice, and the HGFA President was a close personal friend of
the rogue apprentice [5.7.2b]. The GM explained in the magazine and in replies to the
suspended instructor that the reasons for the long delay included difficulty “selecting the
tribunal”, and the time taken to “train them” [5.7.2a]. Exactly how impartial a tribunal might
be, when it’s been selected and trained by people directly involved in the dispute itself is a
serious ethical issue that needs to be fair, and if anything isn’t fair about it, anyone involved
in corruption of the tribunal need to be held accountable [5.7.3].

Constitution #5.9 states that the tribunal should receive the complaint, the evidence, and the
members response all at once, 14 days after giving the member time to respond. However in
this incident, the GM sent all the allegations without the instructors’ response to the tribunal
in advance [5.7.3]. The instructor was given 14 days to respond, and chose to send his
response in sealed envelopes to prevent the GM altering his reply, or perverting the panels’
impartiality with unfair cover notes etc. The GM ignored this, opened the sealed envelopes,
took considerably longer than 14 days to deliver the remaining material to the tribunal [5.7.3].
Although the GM had many different items of evidence, he deliberately withheld all evidence
from the tribunal that supported the instructors claims (eg: police reports, information about
the Apprentice’s illegal activities, etc), and he chose not to contact any witnesses or obtain
any evidence in support of the instructor. The 5.7.1b amendment makes it mandatory for the
GM to send the tribunal all the evidence, instead of just select parts that might bias their
findings.

As of this writing, many more months have passed, the tribunal has apparently sent their
recommendation/finding to the GM (Chris Fogg) but he is taking a very long time to write
their response into a “report” for the instructor. All this while, the instructor still remains
suspended [5.7.1a].

If you would like the HGFA to operate a fair and unbiased discipline system, and would like
the HGFA itself to be able to be disciplined for breaking the rules, just like you, me, and
other regular pilots can be – please vote in favor of this special resolution.

Signed: 4th August 2009.
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Re: Special Resolution Notice - new HGFA diciplinary procedures.

Postby nyopa » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:31 am

Tha management don't like it if you have something not positive to say, or make suggestions and canvas support for a positive idea.

Gone by midday is my guess. :roll:

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Re: Special Resolution Notice - new HGFA diciplinary procedures.

Postby rastus » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:34 pm

My reply was something like: in the case you mention above, perhaps it should be reported to CASA and the Australian Federal Police. The latest Soaring magazine made a point of highlighting that CASA and the Australian Federal Police will be targeting unlicensed activities. The fact that the illegal instruction that was taking placed appears to have been sanctioned by an HGFA board member and as you say, no action was taken, then CASA and the Australian Federal Police would need to take that into account. I am no lawyer but I would say that once this has taken place, the instructor who was suspended could probably take up some sort of civil suit to recover lost earnings!
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#1476 From: "Mirek" <mgenerow@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:42 am
Subject:: RE: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
konrad6da
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Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@... to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)


#1477 From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:14 am
Subject:: RE: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
ronwaysouth
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Mirek
 
I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.
 
Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie). Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way, the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern honest people.
 
If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.
 
If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do what Mirek suggests and vote on line.
 
Regards
 
Peter
 


--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek <mgenerow@...> wrote:

From: Mirek <mgenerow@...>
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)



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#1478 From: pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:49 am
Subject:: Re: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
peterwenners...
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Hi Mirek,

The date on the voting form was an error in printing. 

There are 28 days so the vote is not due or wont be counted until Thursday 17th September.

All the best

Peter

On 24/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Peter South wrote:


Mirek
 
I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.
 
Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie). Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way, the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern honest people.
 
If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.
 
If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do what Mirek suggests and vote on line.
 
Regards
 
Peter
 


--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

From: Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)



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#1479 From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:10 pm
Subject:: Fw: Re: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
ronwaysouth
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Hi Paul
 
Can you please clarify what the closing date for the vote actually is??
 
Peter South

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@...> wrote:

From: pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@...>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:49 AM

 
Hi Mirek,

The date on the voting form was an error in printing. 

There are 28 days so the vote is not due or wont be counted until Thursday 17th September.

All the best

Peter

On 24/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Peter South wrote:


Mirek
 
I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.
 
Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie). Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way, the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern honest people.
 
If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.
 
If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do what Mirek suggests and vote on line.
 
Regards
 
Peter
 


--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au> wrote:

From: Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au>
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)



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#1480 From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:41 pm
Subject:: Fw: Re: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
ronwaysouth
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All
 
See below, important notice.
 
Please forward to others who may not be on this list.
 
Peter

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Paul Coffey <pcoffey@...> wrote:

From: Paul Coffey <pcoffey@...>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: "'Peter South'" <ronwaysouth@...>
Cc: "'Chris Fogg'" <general.manager@...>, "Geoff White" <Fly@...>, "Javier Alvarez" <JavierAlvarez@...>, "Mark Mitsos" <mark_mitsos@...>, "Paul Coffey" <pcoffey@...>, "Peter Dower" <peter.dower@...>, "Peter Wennersten" <pwenn@...>, "Stephen Clark" <stephenmclark@...>, "Tracey Hayes" <info@...>
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 12:34 PM

Hi Peter,

I confirm that votes will be accepted up to the last mail on Thursday 17th September. Counting of votes will be soon thereafter.

Regards,

Paul

 

Paul Coffey

HGFA Secretary

This email, including all attachments, is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It may not be distributed, in whole or in part, in any form with out the express written consent of the sender. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not use, copy, retain or deliver this message to anyone, and you should kindly notify the sender by reply email before destroying the message. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Views expressed in this communication may not be those of the HGFA. Except as required at law, the HGFA does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this message has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, viruses.


From: Peter South [mailto:ronwaysouth@...]
Sent: Monday, 24 August 2009 8:11 PM
To: paul@...; Secretary@...
Cc: western_soarers@...; bwynne@...; Raef Mackay; rayfirth@...; aa.jones@...; rob_woodward@...; john twomey
Subject: Fw: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper

 

Hi Paul

 

Can you please clarify what the closing date for the vote actually is??

 

Peter South

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@...> wrote:


From: pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@...>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:49 AM

 

Hi Mirek,

 

The date on the voting form was an error in printing. 

 

There are 28 days so the vote is not due or wont be counted until Thursday 17th September.

 

All the best

 

Peter

 

On 24/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Peter South wrote:



 

Mirek

 

I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.

 

Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie). Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way, the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern honest people.

 

If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.

 

If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do what Mirek suggests and vote on line.

 

Regards

 

Peter

 



--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au> wrote:


From: Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au>
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)

 


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#1481 From: "grantbond006" <grantbond006@...>
Date: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:37 am
Subject:: Bakewell tomorrow
grantbond006
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Haven't heard any talk of anyone flying this weekend though Weatherzone is
calling 13km/h southerly wind all day, 16 deg. max, mostly sunny so I'll head
out before noon, maybe even strap on a butt pl..., um,...hmm, I mean powered
harness:) Anyone for an aerotow?

#1482 From: "Maggie Webb and Peter Kerr" <magnpete@...>
Date: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:34 pm
Subject:: Re: Bakewell tomorrow
pjkkerr
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16 deg...don't forget your gloves.
 
See you there.
 
Pete Kerr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow

 

Haven't heard any talk of anyone flying this weekend though Weatherzone is calling 13km/h southerly wind all day, 16 deg. max, mostly sunny so I'll head out before noon, maybe even strap on a butt pl..., um,...hmm, I mean powered harness:) Anyone for an aerotow?


#1483 From: "Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr" <magnpete@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:33 pm
Subject:: Re: Bakewell tomorrow
pjkkerr
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Nice flying for some at Bakewell yesterday.
 
Turns out that Grant is a natural butt-plugger.
 
I know that some people disapprove of this sort of behaviour, but you know what they say, "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!".
 
I'm afraid the footage of your takeoff might be a bit shaky Grant, my wobbly hand seems to defeat most anti-shake lenses. When I find/write some post-processing software to remove the shake from video clips I'll process that clip for you.
 
Pete Kerr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow

 

Haven't heard any talk of anyone flying this weekend though Weatherzone is calling 13km/h southerly wind all day, 16 deg. max, mostly sunny so I'll head out before noon, maybe even strap on a butt pl..., um,...hmm, I mean powered harness:) Anyone for an aerotow?


#1484 From: Grant Bond <grantbond006@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:12 pm
Subject:: Re: Bakewell tomorrow
grantbond006
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   Oh man, how embarrassing, I hope my parents don't find out.
   Thanks Pete for sticking around to see me off safely, you made it look so easy and with the hill not on just had to give it a go, was as easy as a car tow. All went smooth with no suprises and my best landing at Bakewell for a while. Free flight gets first prefrance where pluging will fill in the gaps, it's like the hand of god giving you a little push when sinking out.
    The vid was fine for the takeoff, hope yours turned out ok. 

--- On Sun, 30/8/09, Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr <magnpete@...> wrote:

From: Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr <magnpete@...>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Sunday, 30 August, 2009, 12:33 AM

 
Nice flying for some at Bakewell yesterday.
 
Turns out that Grant is a natural butt-plugger.
 
I know that some people disapprove of this sort of behaviour, but you know what they say, "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!".
 
I'm afraid the footage of your takeoff might be a bit shaky Grant, my wobbly hand seems to defeat most anti-shake lenses. When I find/write some post-processing software to remove the shake from video clips I'll process that clip for you.
 
Pete Kerr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow

 
Haven't heard any talk of anyone flying this weekend though Weatherzone is calling 13km/h southerly wind all day, 16 deg. max, mostly sunny so I'll head out before noon, maybe even strap on a butt pl..., um,...hmm, I mean powered harness:) Anyone for an aerotow?



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#1485 From: Grant Bond <grantbond006@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:19 pm
Subject:: Re: Bakewell tomorrow
grantbond006
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 Oh man, how embarrassing, I hope my parents don't find out.
   Thanks Pete for sticking around to see me off safely, you made it look so easy and with the hill not on just had to give it a go, was as easy as a car tow. All went smooth with no suprises and my best landing at Bakewell for a while. Free flight gets first preference where pluging will fill in the gaps, it's like the hand of god giving you a little push when sinking out.
    The vid was fine for the takeoff, hope yours turned out ok. 


--- On Sun, 30/8/09, Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr <magnpete@...> wrote:

From: Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr <magnpete@...>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Sunday, 30 August, 2009, 12:33 AM

 
Nice flying for some at Bakewell yesterday.
 
Turns out that Grant is a natural butt-plugger.
 
I know that some people disapprove of this sort of behaviour, but you know what they say, "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!".
 
I'm afraid the footage of your takeoff might be a bit shaky Grant, my wobbly hand seems to defeat most anti-shake lenses. When I find/write some post-processing software to remove the shake from video clips I'll process that clip for you.
 
Pete Kerr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: [western_soarers] Bakewell tomorrow

 
Haven't heard any talk of anyone flying this weekend though Weatherzone is calling 13km/h southerly wind all day, 16 deg. max, mostly sunny so I'll head out before noon, maybe even strap on a butt pl..., um,...hmm, I mean powered harness:) Anyone for an aerotow?



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#1486 From: Grant Bond <grantbond006@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:57 am
Subject:: Re: Fw: Re: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
grantbond006
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 This gives me an idea for a comedy where the accused gets to pick his own mates for the jury, is in charge of all the evidence against himself and is also the judge. I guess it wouldn't be as funny if the jury was neutral with nothing to lose, the proper authorities held the evidence and the judge was not the accused.
 When voteing think positive. 

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Peter South <ronwaysouth@...> wrote:

From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
Subject: Fw: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@...
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 8:41 PM

 
All
 
See below, important notice.
 
Please forward to others who may not be on this list.
 
Peter

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Paul Coffey <pcoffey@westnet. com.au> wrote:

From: Paul Coffey <pcoffey@westnet. com.au>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: "'Peter South'" <ronwaysouth@ yahoo.com. au>
Cc: "'Chris Fogg'" <general.manager@ hgfa.asn. au>, "Geoff White" <Fly@dtkmicrolights. com>, "Javier Alvarez" <JavierAlvarez@ y7mail.com>, "Mark Mitsos" <mark_mitsos@ optusnet. com.au>, "Paul Coffey" <pcoffey@westnet. com.au>, "Peter Dower" <peter.dower@ campbelltown. nsw.gov.au>, "Peter Wennersten" <pwenn@optusnet. com.au>, "Stephen Clark" <stephenmclark@ iprimus.com. au>, "Tracey Hayes" <info@azurephotograp hy.com.au>
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 12:34 PM

Hi Peter,

I confirm that votes will be accepted up to the last mail on Thursday 17th September. Counting of votes will be soon thereafter.

Regards,

Paul

 

Paul Coffey

HGFA Secretary

This email, including all attachments, is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It may not be distributed, in whole or in part, in any form with out the express written consent of the sender. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not use, copy, retain or deliver this message to anyone, and you should kindly notify the sender by reply email before destroying the message. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Views expressed in this communication may not be those of the HGFA. Except as required at law, the HGFA does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this message has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, viruses.


From: Peter South [mailto:ronwaysouth @yahoo.com. au]
Sent: Monday, 24 August 2009 8:11 PM
To: paul@trikernews. com; Secretary@hgfa. asn.au
Cc: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au; bwynne@bigpond. net.au; Raef Mackay; rayfirth@gmail. com; aa.jones@bigpond. net.au; rob_woodward@ ultimateposition ing.com; john twomey
Subject: Fw: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper

 

Hi Paul

 

Can you please clarify what the closing date for the vote actually is??

 

Peter South

--- On Mon, 24/8/09, pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@ gmail.com> wrote:


From: pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:49 AM

 

Hi Mirek,

 

The date on the voting form was an error in printing. 

 

There are 28 days so the vote is not due or wont be counted until Thursday 17th September.

 

All the best

 

Peter

 

On 24/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Peter South wrote:



 

Mirek

 

I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.

 

Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie). Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way, the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern honest people.

 

If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.

 

If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do what Mirek suggests and vote on line.

 

Regards

 

Peter

 



--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au> wrote:


From: Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au>
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it arrives before the deadline.

 

If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.  It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com to let them know of any concerns about voting too.

 

Mirek

(Western Soarers Club Secretary)

 


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#1487 From: Mark Wild <mark@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:58 am
Subject:: Re: Fw: Re: Urgent! - HGFA Special General Meeting ballot paper
mark@...
Send Email Send Email
 
I like the part about "Counting of votes will be soon thereafter" Yes
soon after the GM checks to see the outcome is what he wants.

Yes the it is a bad joke, I heard that the HGFA Has lost over 700
members in the last 12 months, 700 out of 3000 is a very large number.
That is almost $250,000 less funds for next years budget.

I'm  laughing



Grant Bond wrote:
>
>
>  This gives me an idea for a comedy where the accused gets to pick his
> own mates for the jury, is in charge of all the evidence against
> himself and is also the judge. I guess it wouldn't be as funny if the
> jury was neutral with nothing to lose, the proper authorities held the
> evidence and the judge was not the accused.
>  When voteing think positive.
>
> --- On *Mon, 24/8/09, Peter South /<ronwaysouth@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Peter South <ronwaysouth@...>
>     Subject: Fw: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General
>     Meeting ballot paper
>     To: western_soarers@...
>     Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 8:41 PM
>
>
>     All
>
>     See below, important notice.
>
>     Please forward to others who may not be on this list.
>
>     Peter
>
>     --- On *Mon, 24/8/09, Paul Coffey /<pcoffey@westnet. com.au>/* wrote:
>
>
>         From: Paul Coffey <pcoffey@westnet. com.au>
>         Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General
>         Meeting ballot paper
>         To: "'Peter South'" <ronwaysouth@ yahoo.com. au>
>         Cc: "'Chris Fogg'" <general.manager@ hgfa.asn. au>, "Geoff
>         White" <Fly@dtkmicrolights. com>, "Javier Alvarez"
>         <JavierAlvarez@ y7mail.com>, "Mark Mitsos" <mark_mitsos@
>         optusnet. com.au>, "Paul Coffey" <pcoffey@westnet. com.au>,
>         "Peter Dower" <peter.dower@ campbelltown. nsw.gov.au>, "Peter
>         Wennersten" <pwenn@optusnet. com.au>, "Stephen Clark"
>         <stephenmclark@ iprimus.com. au>, "Tracey Hayes"
>         <info@azurephotograp hy.com.au>
>         Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 12:34 PM
>
>         Hi Peter,
>
>         I confirm that votes will be accepted up to the last mail on
>         Thursday 17^th September. Counting of votes will be soon
>         thereafter.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Paul
>
>     / /
>
>     /Paul Coffey/
>
>     **HGFA Secretary******
>
>     This email, including all attachments, is intended only to be read
>     or used by the addressee. It may not be distributed, in whole or
>     in part, in any form with out the express written consent of the
>     sender. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged
>     information. If you are not the addressee indicated in this
>     message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such
>     person), you may not use, copy, retain or deliver this message to
>     anyone, and you should kindly notify the sender by reply email
>     before destroying the message. Confidentiality and legal privilege
>     are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you.
>     Views expressed in this communication may not be those of the
>     HGFA. Except as required at law, the HGFA does not represent,
>     warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this message has
>     been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors,
>     viruses.
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* Peter South [mailto:ronwaysouth @yahoo.com. au]
>     *Sent:* Monday, 24 August 2009 8:11 PM
>     *To:* paul@trikernews. com; Secretary@hgfa. asn.au
>     *Cc:* western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au; bwynne@bigpond.
>     net.au; Raef Mackay; rayfirth@gmail. com; aa.jones@bigpond.
>     net.au; rob_woodward@ ultimateposition ing.com; john twomey
>     *Subject:* Fw: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special
>     General Meeting ballot paper
>
>
>
>     Hi Paul
>
>
>
>     Can you please clarify what the closing date for the vote actually
>     is??
>
>
>
>     Peter South
>
>     --- On *Mon, 24/8/09, pw Gmail /<peter.wennersten@ gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>         From: pw Gmail <peter.wennersten@ gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special General
>         Meeting ballot paper
>         To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
>         Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:49 AM
>
>
>
>         Hi Mirek,
>
>
>
>         The date on the voting form was an error in printing.
>
>
>
>         There are 28 days so the vote is not due or wont be counted
>         until Thursday 17th September.
>
>
>
>         All the best
>
>
>
>         Peter
>
>
>
>         On 24/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Peter South wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>         Mirek
>
>
>
>         I just got my voting papers today, and sent them straight away.
>
>
>
>         Just spoke to Lex, he's not got his yet (lives in Collie).
>         Anybody in WA country area has effectively been denied a vote
>         with very little chance of receiving their ballot, and getting
>         it in the post in time to arrive by this Friday. By the way,
>         the Constitution specifies 28 days for postal vote and 14 days
>         for notice of meeting. It seems Constitutions only govern
>         honest people.
>
>
>
>         If people needed any more evidence just how desperate to hold
>         on to power this committee is, here it is.  Rather than try
>         the so called 'legal advice' to defeat this requisition, they
>         have simply adopted a new strategy: restrict the opportunity
>         to vote. If you are away on business for a couple of days; you
>         miss out. If you live in the country; you miss out.
>
>
>
>         If you want to make sure there is a record of your vote, do
>         what Mirek suggests and vote on line.
>
>
>
>         Regards
>
>
>
>         Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>         --- On *Mon, 24/8/09, Mirek /<mgenerow@optusnet. com.au>/* wrote:
>
>
>             From: Mirek <mgenerow@optusnet. com.au>
>             Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Urgent! - HGFA Special
>             General Meeting ballot paper
>             To: western_soarers@ yahoogroups. com.au
>             Received: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 9:42 AM
>
>
>
>             Send in your vote today or tomorrow to make sure it
>             arrives before the deadline.
>
>
>
>             If you haven’t received your ballot form yet and want to
>             vote you’d better ring the HGFA office to let them know.
>             It might be a good idea to e-mail vote@hgfapilots. com
>             <http://au.mc597.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vote@hgfapilots.com>
to
>             let them know of any concerns about voting too.
>
>
>
>         Mirek
>
>         (Western Soarers Club Secretary)
>
>
>
>        
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