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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

 

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685
 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: dbwellington@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: phillipknight@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Wainwright

To: western_soarers@...

Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

... or just put on 10kg or so (not that I'm implying anything about Kiwi Dave) ...

 

Filthy Phil

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From: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of christina quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:18 AM
To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think you should step away from the dark side and get a Litespeed RS.
 
oohh, smoke sail.. oohh carbon options.. shiney.

 

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: dbwellington@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: phillipknight@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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To: western_soarers@...
From: Pete-Fran@...
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:19:35 +1000
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think they call it "natural ballast"

 

Pete :)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Wainwright

To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

... or just put on 10kg or so (not that I'm implying anything about Kiwi Dave) ...

 

Filthy Phil

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From: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of christina quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:18 AM
To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think you should step away from the dark side and get a Litespeed RS.
 
oohh, smoke sail.. oohh carbon options.. shiney.

 

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: dbwellington@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: phillipknight@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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Dear All
We Red Cordially invite ewes to visit us all the way up here in Gero - land of flying - 29/5/8 til 2/6/8
It is foundation day weekend in WA - hooray - best we celebrate by flying dancing singing drinking etc
So bring your shit up north - here's the plan....
 
fly, eat, fly, drink, fly , party, fly , eat etc etc ( and Cath said something about washing dishes....)
 
You are all welcome to stay at and around our house - privileged people can sleep in the caravan or shed - the under privileged should bring a tent / sleep in ya car...there's alway been enough room in the past.  People who want more luxury (or to impress girl/boyfriends )then it might be an idea to book flash accomadation before it runs out for the long weekend.
 
day by day
friday night - back yard fire and BBQ ( with free sausages) for those who get here early then corroboree practice...
saturday - fly all day, orientate to local sites etc, harass the locals at pubs and restaurants....more coroboree practice
sunday - fly all day , spot landing comp, ? beach fire ( or backyard fire) - weather permitting....BIG coroboree
monday - fly all day , most of you will want to F' off home that arvy for work Tuesday..... But if you fall in love with gero then arrangements can be made.....
 
Our address - 29 Zuytdorp  Ct , Mahomets, Geraldton (Turn Left just before first shell service station on way into town, then turn Right at the "T" onto McAleer Dr, then it's the fourth Left and you're into our street - we live down the end on the Left side of the street - little caravan is next to the house - if you get lost your a bloody idiot.)
 
Please RSVP before 25/5/8 to the mickgibberd@... so we've got a bit of an idea, but late entries will be welcomed after suitable ridicule and humiliation ( and a spell in the stocks )
 
C U Soon, Mick Cath and Chat ( the Cat) - Spike sends a spiritual welcome and will be the safety officer from above.
 

 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: Pete-Fran@...
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:19:35 +1000
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think they call it "natural ballast"

Pete :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Wainwright <mailto:pwainwright@...>  
To: western_soarers@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

... or just put on 10kg or so (not that I'm implying anything about Kiwi Dave) ...

Filthy Phil

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From: western_soarers@... [mailto:western_soarers@...] On Behalf Of christina quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:18 AM
To: western_soarers@...
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14



I think you should step away from the dark side and get a Litespeed RS.
 
oohh, smoke sail.. oohh carbon options.. shiney.

 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: dbwellington@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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I think you should step away from the dark side and get a Litespeed RS.
 
oohh, smoke sail.. oohh carbon options.. shiney.

 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: dbwellington@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685
 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: phillipknight@...
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:58:38 +0800
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Ha, your funny...for a Kiwi. How things been Dave?


On 7/05/08 6:36 AM, "David B Wellington" <dbwellington@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: phillipknight@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685
 

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Tim can you drop me a line I have lost your contact details.
Jules

hi guys , and jules if your on hear , been try to get hold of jules
and has any body got contact details ? mine stoped working it seams ,
hi jules if your reading this drop us a line mate cheers tony .

 

This morning I spoke with Chris Fogg regarding the possibility of establishing Club based introduction to flying days.  He was open to the suggestion and in turn gave me some suggestions on how to make this possible.

To all those pilots out there who'd like to give their mates or family a little taste of flying, this is going to be your chance, without them having to go through the entire training process.

This will also give our Clubs an opportunity to have social functions where our friends and families get to 'have a go'.

Read the attached document, and send feedback either to me, or onto the WS forum.  There's some work to be done in getting this right...  but I reckon it's well worth it.

Happy landings!

-----Original Message-----
From: western_soarers@... [mailto:western_soarers@...] On Behalf Of Sun Nickerson
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2008 3:58 PM
To: Erlend Borge Madsen; western_soarers@...; Gavin Nicholls; Mirek; Holmes, Rob [Ecos Consulting]; stuart.mcclure@...; shaun@...
Subject: [SPAM][western_soarers] Club Introduction Days

This morning I spoke with Chris Fogg regarding the possibility of establishing Club based introduction to flying days.  He was open to the suggestion and in turn gave me some suggestions on how to make this possible.

To all those pilots out there who'd like to give their mates or family a little taste of flying, this is going to be your chance, without them having to go through the entire training process.

This will also give our Clubs an opportunity to have social functions where our friends and families get to 'have a go'.

Read the attached document, and send feedback either to me, or onto the WS forum.  There's some work to be done in getting this right...  but I reckon it's well worth it.

Happy landings!

--
Sun Nickerson
TechniCraft Consulting
0401 135 042

-----Original Message-----
From: western_soarers@... [mailto:western_soarers@...] On Behalf Of sun.nickerson
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 12:31 PM
To: western_soarers@...
Cc: robnkath1@...; cobrown@...
Subject: [SPAM][western_soarers] Western Soarers Club Meeting on 26/05 & Geraldton

Hey Everyone,

You are invited to a Club meeting on the 26th of this month, being held in Leederville.  Held at 23 Melrose St. 7:30pm, BYO.

There’s only a few official items to discuss.

·        Mosman – and where WS are in relation to site access.  PG members are encouraged to come along and discuss.

·        Tow winch / trailer – Update.

More interestingly, we as a club might discuss the following topics.

·        Current HGFA topics;

·        The looming Instructor shortage.

And most interestingly, the Annual Geraldton Trip! 

Calling all low airtime and novice pilots!  This is a chance to do some great ridge flying!

Geraldton will hopefully turn it on again and we’ll get to fly!  Friday, May 30 à Monday, June 2nd.

Accommodation has been offered by Doctor Mick & Cathy.  In his own words…

“fly, eat, fly, drink, fly , party, fly , eat etc etc ( and Cath said something about washing dishes....)

You are all welcome to stay at and around our house - privileged people can sleep in the caravan or shed - the under privileged should bring a tent / sleep in ya car...there's alway been enough room in the past.  People who want more luxury (or to impress girl/boyfriends )then it might be an idea to book flash accommodation before it runs out for the long weekend.

day by day

·        friday night - back yard fire and BBQ ( with free sausages) for those who get here early then corroboree practice...

·         saturday - fly all day, orientate to local sites etc, harass the locals at pubs and restaurants....more coroboree practice.

·        sunday - fly all day , spot landing comp, ? beach fire ( or backyard fire) - weather permitting....BIG coroboree.

·        monday - fly all day , most of you will want to F' off home that arvy for work Tuesday..... But if you fall in love with Gero then arrangements can be made.....

Our address - 29 Zuytdorp  Ct , Mahomets, Geraldton (Turn Left just before first shell service station on way into town, then turn Right at the "T" onto McAleer Dr, then it's the fourth Left and you're into our street - we live down the end on the Left side of the street - little caravan is next to the house - if you get lost you’re a bloody idiot.)

Please RSVP before 25/5/8 to the mickgibberd@hotmail.com so we've got a bit of an idea, but late entries will be welcomed after suitable ridicule and humiliation ( and a spell in the stocks )

C U Soon, Mick Cath and Chat ( the Cat) - Spike sends a spiritual welcome and will be the safety officer from above.”

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To: western_soarers@...
From: shaun@...
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:54:23 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Flying

Hi all

 

Light Flight will be out in Wylie this weekend come along and support the students, Do some landing practice maybe even catch a thermal

 

Yours sincearly

 

S.Wallace

 

CFI Light Flight.

 

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To: western_soarers@...
From: mickgibberd@...
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:25:55 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Flying

shaun jaqui and tina ( and Laura if she's around) and of course chilli the wonderdog
here is a personal invitation to you freaks to haul your asses up here for the long weekend
I will feed you cheap red wine and top quality homebrew and dietician approved bbq sausages
hope to see you here
cath and mick and  chat the wondercat

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: shaun@hangglide.com.au
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:54:23 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Flying

Hi all

 

Light Flight will be out in Wylie this weekend come along and support the students, Do some landing practice maybe even catch a thermal

 

Yours sincearly

 

S.Wallace

 

CFI Light Flight.

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Maggie Webb and Pete Kerr

To: western_soarers@...

Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:49 PM

Subject: [western_soarers] Wylie weekend 17-18May

Hi all

 

Last weekend at Wylie got off to a shaky start when it turned out that Farmer Kadidlehopper was ploughing up the Korrelocking paddock; and with the prevailing wind, all that was possible in the alternative paddock next door was trailer work.

 

On Sunday the wind changed allowing normal tows, and the ploughed paddock turned out to be a great thermal generator, as evidenced by the continuous series of dust devils moving down it.

 

In the evening light the dust from the tow car provided a bit of aerodynamic flow visualisation. In the photo you can see how the vortex system from the lifting wing has entrained clean air downwards along the path of the glider, and is lifting the dust laden air up and around the edges, creating a tunnel effect.

 

 

 

Towing went on late into a psychedelic sunset:

 

 

I will not be able to fly next weekend as I'll be rehearsing and performing Handel's Coronation Anthems at Winthrop Hall with UWA Choral Soc. So if you fancy a bit of culture, the concert starts at 2:30pm on Sunday, tickets $25 at the door.

 

Pete

 

Interesting photo - this goes towards demonstrating the theory that lift is generated by thrust as much as by airflow differences across the top and bottom of the wing - ie the argument as to how planes can fly upside down.

Dear All
We Red Cordially invite ewes to visit us all the way up here in Gero - land of flying - 29/5/8 til 2/6/8
It is foundation day weekend in WA - hooray - best we celebrate by flying dancing singing drinking etc
So bring your shit up north - here's the plan....
 
fly, eat, fly, drink, fly , party, fly , eat etc etc ( and Cath said something about washing dishes....)
 
You are all welcome to stay at and around our house - privileged people can sleep in the caravan or shed - the under privileged should bring a tent / sleep in ya car...there's alway been enough room in the past.  People who want more luxury (or to impress girl/boyfriends )then it might be an idea to book flash accomadation before it runs out for the long weekend.
 
day by day
friday night - back yard fire and BBQ ( with free sausages) for those who get here early then corroboree practice...
saturday - fly all day, orientate to local sites etc, harass the locals at pubs and restaurants....more coroboree practice
sunday - fly all day , spot landing comp, ? beach fire ( or backyard fire) - weather permitting....BIG coroboree
monday - fly all day , most of you will want to F' off home that arvy for work Tuesday..... But if you fall in love with gero then arrangements can be made.....
 
Our address - 29 Zuytdorp  Ct , Mahomets, Geraldton (Turn Left just before first shell service station on way into town, then turn Right at the "T" onto McAleer Dr, then it's the fourth Left and you're into our street - we live down the end on the Left side of the street - little caravan is next to the house - if you get lost your a bloody idiot.)
 
Please RSVP before 25/5/8 to the mickgibberd@hotmail.com so we've got a bit of an idea, but late entries will be welcomed after suitable ridicule and humiliation ( and a spell in the stocks )
 
C U Soon, Mick Cath and Chat ( the Cat) - Spike sends a spiritual welcome and will be the safety officer from above.
 

 

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: Pete-Fran@bigpond.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:19:35 +1000
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think they call it "natural ballast"

 

Pete :)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Wainwright

To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au

Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

... or just put on 10kg or so (not that I'm implying anything about Kiwi Dave) ...

 

Filthy Phil

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From: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of christina quinn
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:18 AM
To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I think you should step away from the dark side and get a Litespeed RS.
 
oohh, smoke sail.. oohh carbon options.. shiney.

 

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: dbwellington@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:36:19 +0000
Subject: RE: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

Getting a smaller sized glider wont enable you to keep up to an Aeros!
You've just got to make that real change to pick up the 30 seconds.
 
Cheers
Dave

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To: western_soarers@yahoogroups.com.au
From: phillipknight@bigpond.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:23:13 +0800
Subject: [western_soarers] Maybe For sale. Airborne C4-14

I am looking for expressions of interest for my Airborne C4-14. Its a lovely glider to fly and lands well. Rated advanced, it would suit a pilot who is wanting to make the transition from advanced king posted to topless or possibly even a high hour intermediate pilot looking to move into the big boys league. The glider has around eighty hours and is in very good condition. Blue and white, it looks good on the ground and in the sky.
I am thinking of getting another C4, but just a half size smaller (13.5) but are happy to stick with the 14 should there be no one interested.
If you would like some pictures, then email me and I will flick them over to you.
Asking.......$4500. New price is nearly $9000 so this is a painless way to get yourself into  topless performance. Zoom zoom zoom

Kind Regards
Phillip Knight
0408751685

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Mike Annear asked if I would circulate the email below. He would like to
donate his old Subaru 4wd to Bakewell
I think it is a good idea - but we will have to make sure that if you use
it, you look after it.
Having a vehicle at Bakewell will encourage more car pooling because there
will always (we hope) have a spare vehicle out there
Under no circumstances should it ever be left at the top.
A logbook will be in the glove box which you will have to fill out if you
use it.
We will certainly need the solar charger for the battery - thanks Eric.
We will need volunteers to take the car to York before 14 June.
cheers
Rob
CB Pres.

> Gidday,
> I was thinking of donating my old 84 L series Subaru wagon to the flying
> community as a "Bakewell Basha", to be used by people who don't have 4wds
> :) and car retrieves from the TO etc.
> It still runs reasonably well (I drove it to Wyndham and back last
> year)(as featured in Aprils Soaring Mag :) , and is 4WD + low range.
> Its not flash, Rod refers to it as "a collection of parts"..but it runs :)
>
> Eric, Craig and myself have discussed it with Lou and he is happy enough
> to keep it on his property.
> It will seat 4/5 and has a roof rack. If the HG's want to use it someone
> might have to weld up a front rack as well (possibly someone could make a
> full car length tray for PG/HG ?)
> Fuel would be up to users to workout, I would use it free of course :)
> Eric said he can fit it with a solar panel and charger to keep the battery
> topped up.
>
> what do you reckon ?
>
> It runs out of Rego on the 14th of June, so if someone could follow me up
> to Bakewell and give me a lift back one weekend (like next weekend :) it
> be much appreciated.
> If anyone has an L series and wants to buy a tow bar and roo bar nows your
> chance :)
>
> cheers,
> Mike,
> www.mikeannear.com
>

I'm Sorry but it seems the more people want to befuddle an issue the
greater the impression I get that they actually know very little of
the mechanics of the whole process.

The genius of both Newton and Bernoulli is that they used the basic
premise, the KISS principle to explain and demonstrate concepts to
people who would probably not have been too receptive to such
outlandish musings so as to leave no doubt .

Newton’s laws of motion, pretty simple stuff really and Bernoulli
says simply that increase the speed and decrease the pressure.
The vortices are an effect of the production of lift not the driving
force.
What Peter says is like saying “we measure the waves at the back of a
boat to work out its speed”???? I'm surprised the Coriolis effect
doesn't feature in there somwhere!

Aerofoils are there to increase efficiency and squeeze the most we
can out of our decent and forward passage through the ambient air
mass (in gliders).

Simply put, the lower surface of our wing is the bearing surface
allowing us to convert our inescapable attraction to the ground into
forward motion (all going well).
If we crack the air apart quickly and slowly join it together again
deflecting it down it has been observed with much experimentation
through many brilliant minds that we can increase performance by more
than 60%.

If you push down on something it tries to come around the sides, that
is what causes vortices show me one that works the opposite way and I
will be impressed!
I guess I am agreeing with everyone anyway both these guys kick ass
100%and it would be difficult to explain how a wing works without
either ones laws.
I know it is a debate subject but it all seems a little inane. I
think they should be made to fight each other?
Big KISS
Jules




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From: magnpete@...
To: western_soarers@...
Subject: Re: [western_soarers] newton versus bernoulli
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:50:32 +0800

>There's actually a third way to think about and calculate lift.
>
>The streamwise vortices in the wake of the wing (which caused the
>"tunnel" effect in my photo) are created by the continuous shedding
>of spanwise vorticity generated in the wing. The lift is calculated
>as the air density times flight speed times the spanwise vorticity.
>
>When aerodynamicists need to make a theoretical estimate of a wing's
>lift, the final step of the calculation is more often based on this
>vorticity formula than on surface pressures.
>
>To derive the vorticity formula you use Bernoulli, and to derive
>Bernoulli you use Newton; so as Michael Dufty points out, it's still
>same old lift whichever way you look at it.
>
>Pete